Is familism the worst delusion in the world?

[Chan Island]

When does NS Summer end again? Because this might be peak summer.

It ends when the Lizardpeople descend on NS and take us all away for exposing their conspiracy.

Can't happen soon enough. They've been a bit behind on my payments for supporting to the one world government initiative for some time now.

[Thepeopl]

I know, but why fight for it if life was so cruel? Wouldn't it be better to just stop fighting and accept death?

For pride. If in this cruel world one dude lives for one more second than the other then the former does better.

The last one to die is the winner.

And the breeders are not dying completely because they have been spreading their DNA. So they die after you, hence they win.

I do not believe in "winning " by just living longer. Why do I have children. Because I truly believe that I have made the world a better place with these loving, caring and responsible people. ( actually, 3 are old enough to proof my point, the youngest is still developing)

They bring joy and love to friends, family and even their teachers adore them. My children are environmentally aware and will contribute to solving pollution and spread love.

[Kowani]

It ends when the Lizardpeople descend on NS and take us all away for exposing their conspiracy.

Can't happen soon enough. They've been a bit behind on my payments for supporting to the one world government initiative for some time now.

Tell me about it. I just heard that the conquest of Antarctica’s been delayed.

[Lower Nubia]

This sounds like negative utilitarianism and that ideology that states the most optimal number creatures in the universe is 0.

Both of which are dumb-as-fuck.

We all know the optimal number of creatures in the universe is 1, and that’s for bees.

[Neko-koku]

For pride. If in this cruel world one dude lives for one more second than the other then the former does better.

The last one to die is the winner.

And the breeders are not dying completely because they have been spreading their DNA. So they die after you, hence they win.

I do not believe in "winning " by just living longer. Why do I have children. Because I truly believe that I have made the world a better place with these loving, caring and responsible people. ( actually, 3 are old enough to proof my point, the youngest is still developing)

They bring joy and love to friends, family and even their teachers adore them. My children are environmentally aware and will contribute to solving pollution and spread love.

Wut?!!!! Lmao. That's simply nonsense.

Yeah according to your reasoning murdering someone who is a parent without murdering all their offsprings is a biological impossibility and should be legalized. Do you want that?

[Cekoviu]

>supporting one's family is "microcommunism"
what even is this thread

[Neko-koku]

I have never seen any familist with a good argument either here or elsewhere. So I do assume that familism is a strong pre-human delusion selected for by evolution and that most humans will never think their way to freedom.

You talk as someone who has had either a bad upbringing or have had a bad experience with children in the past and you are using this as a shield to protect yourself. It is instinctual to want the survival of a species the only ways that change are either due to a random mutation or the environment that the person has been bought up in.

I'm just someone who is unusually consistent.

[Necroghastia]

"These things are bad. I won't say why they're bad beyond vague handwavey shit, but they're totally bad you guys. Also it's totally a worse delusion than, say, racial supremacy, fascism, or anything else that has actually caused innumerable deaths and atrocities."

[Costa Fierro]

Here I define familism as the combination of three irrational ideologies, namely the tendency to have sex (i.e. copulatism), reproduce (i.e. reproducism) and give one's resources freely to family (i.e. microcommunism).

Copulatism is the least irrational among the three for sex is at least pleasurable. However it is not worth what people think it is worth.

Reproducism is insane because reproduction is usually harmful and sometimes deadly to organisms that reproduce.

Reasons to reject communism are all applicable to its special case, namely microcommunism.

NSG, what do you think? More importantly what are your arguments?

P.S. How much is sacrificed on a delusional idea, namely muh bloodline? I think it is easy to discover that familism sucks unless you are a collectivist who believes in the absurd idea that there is an eternal and infinite dynasty known as da bloodline.

This is just fucking stupid. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to oppose having a family, relationships, copulation, etc. Pseudointellectualism isn't one of them.

[Vetalia]

You do know without copulation, a desire for reproduction and a family structure you wouldn't be posting this right?

[Molonia]

You tell us all to come up with an argument, but you just reject us with 'familism sucks anyways lol' and then never come up with anything good in response. Absolute troll thread this.

[Chessmistress]

You talk as someone who has had either a bad upbringing or have had a bad experience with children in the past and you are using this as a shield to protect yourself. It is instinctual to want the survival of a species the only ways that change are either due to a random mutation or the environment that the person has been bought up in.

I'm just someone who is unusually consistent.

Quite the opposite, I would say that you're usually unconsistent, since your style remembers me Parkus: the same baseless strawmen rooted in pseudointellectualism + the same attitude to not answer, ignoring whoever challenges the empty assumptions you throw out in abundance.
It'll suffice to say that you have yet to define "communism", after I said that I doubt that you even know the actual meaning of the word.

[Xmara]

>supporting one's family is "microcommunism"
what even is this thread

It’s a pizza cutter. All edge, no point.

[Chessmistress]

You tell us all to come up with an argument, but you just reject us with 'familism sucks anyways lol' and then never come up with anything good in response. Absolute troll thread this.

It's not trolling, trolling is meant to anger and that's not the case: it's too flavourless and pointless to cause actual anger.
It's like he have a fetish for long, pointless, discussions, when he take the role of the one having an opinion that's opposite to everyone else.
It's basically:
"I'm going to discuss for 20 pages without saying anything relevant and without making any actual rational point, all that while opposing everyone else - but in a quite polite way".

[The Eisenheim Order]

But...my familism... my family must come before my own needs!

Oh wait, I don't have one.... more for me!

[Takso]

This point has probably already been made... But if it wasn't for sex, reproduction, and taking care of family, none of us would exist today. That is not delusion, that is fact. What you think of that or if you value your own existence or others is up to you.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So on the third point, it is delusional to give free stuff to your family? Does that include food? To babies?

[Takso]

So on the third point, it is delusional to give free stuff to your family? Does that include food? To babies?

Depends on the situation. I don't think "delusional" is an appropriate term for something like this. Morality is subjective and many people conflate morality with objectivity.

[Makersaulache]

I think the fact that you thought this would be the right place to post this is the worst delusion in the world

I have done it elsewhere too. Humans are generally too deluded to understand rejection of familism.

You speak as if you are outside the human species, it sounds like you yourself are very deluded.

[The New California Republic]

So on the third point, it is delusional to give free stuff to your family? Does that include food? To babies?

The OP thinking that resource pooling in a family is literal communism is so fucking absurd. What do they want as an alternative? For the parents to sell the food to their children?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So on the third point, it is delusional to give free stuff to your family? Does that include food? To babies?

Depends on the situation. I don't think "delusional" is an appropriate term for something like this. Morality is subjective and many people conflate morality with objectivity.

Nothing spoken about by the OP is delusional. People have a desire to reproduce to pass on their genes, for example.

[Neko-koku]

This point has probably already been made... But if it wasn't for sex, reproduction, and taking care of family, none of us would exist today. That is not delusion, that is fact. What you think of that or if you value your own existence or others is up to you.

Then you admit that you are a collectivist.

[Nogodia]

I have done it elsewhere too. Humans are generally too deluded to understand rejection of familism.

You speak as if you are outside the human species, it sounds like you yourself are very deluded.

The fact the OP's another one of those "animals rule this world because humans suck" nations makes me wary. Especially with DEATed users like Katzenstaat having existed.

[The New California Republic]

This point has probably already been made... But if it wasn't for sex, reproduction, and taking care of family, none of us would exist today. That is not delusion, that is fact. What you think of that or if you value your own existence or others is up to you.

Then you admit that you are a collectivist.

Put down the strawman.

[Takso]

This point has probably already been made... But if it wasn't for sex, reproduction, and taking care of family, none of us would exist today. That is not delusion, that is fact. What you think of that or if you value your own existence or others is up to you.

Then you admit that you are a collectivist.

Sure, whatever. You wouldn't exist if two people, specifically a man and woman hadn't had sex (or some other reproductive method), and then raised you with very likely little benefit to themselves. Some people just like having and raising kids. I get it, it's not technically beneficial to an individual today, but be thankful people have families because if they didn't you and your fictional cat utopia would never exist. I don't mean to sound harsh, that's just the reality.