Fascist White Supremacist Rally in Portland Thwarted

[Purgatio]

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You may want to smoke a little less of whatever you are on.

You are spouting absolute lies.

I gotta agree, Trump will absolutely take white supremacists seriously as long as they vote for him.

He's condemned hatred, bigotry, neo-Nazis and the KKK so many times, at this point it's exhausting. It's obvious he should stop because no matter how many condemnations his office issues this talking point never seems to die, despite reality.

[Purgatio]

Good, now let's thwart the ANTIFA rallies too.

What possible reason could you and others have against this Portland rally to end domestic terrorism, because it sounds like you know how dangerous and sinister ANTIFA is too, and that's all this was, a rally to raise awareness on the dangers of ANTIFA terrorism

[Crysuko]

Good, now let's thwart the ANTIFA rallies too.

What possible reason could you and others have against this Portland rally to end domestic terrorism, because it sounds like you know how dangerous and sinister ANTIFA is too, and that's all this was, a rally to raise awareness on the dangers of ANTIFA terrorism

The people they rally against are far more sinister in plan and practice. Antifa can be brutes, but I'll take the bitter medicine over the sweet poison.

[Torrocca]

Good, now let's thwart the ANTIFA rallies too.

What possible reason could you and others have against this Portland rally to end domestic terrorism, because it sounds like you know how dangerous and sinister ANTIFA is too, and that's all this was, a rally to raise awareness on the dangers of ANTIFA terrorism

AntiFA's the far lesser of two evils, and any claims of otherwise are inherently disingenuous.

[New Hennig]

What possible reason could you and others have against this Portland rally to end domestic terrorism, because it sounds like you know how dangerous and sinister ANTIFA is too, and that's all this was, a rally to raise awareness on the dangers of ANTIFA terrorism

AntiFA's the far lesser of two evils, and any claims of otherwise are inherently disingenuous.

But what does one do if they hate ethnic nationalism AND the far-left. I guess in today’s society, they are SOL.

[Kaedijork]

What possible reason could you and others have against this Portland rally to end domestic terrorism, because it sounds like you know how dangerous and sinister ANTIFA is too, and that's all this was, a rally to raise awareness on the dangers of ANTIFA terrorism

AntiFA's the far lesser of two evils, and any claims of otherwise are inherently disingenuous.

I would take issue with the moral presumption that antifa is actually a force of evil at all. Most would agree that the genocide of millions, which is inherently part of the fascist doctrine, is evil - antifa literally just means anti-fascist. That in itself makes them the antithesis of evil; most people do antifa acts every day - every time you speak out against a far right politician on twitter, or take down some racist propaganda plastered over your city’s subways, your doing a small anti fascist deed. Heck, even not buying certain products that contribute to the growing multinational corporate force behind the far-right resurgence is an antifa act.
I think you fundamentally misunderstand he nature of anti fascism.

[Torrocca]

AntiFA's the far lesser of two evils, and any claims of otherwise are inherently disingenuous.

I would take issue with the moral presumption that antifa is actually a force of evil at all. Most would agree that the genocide of millions, which is inherently part of the fascist doctrine, is evil - antifa literally just means anti-fascist. That in itself makes them the antithesis of evil; most people do antifa acts every day - every time you speak out against a far right politician on twitter, or take down some racist propaganda plastered over your city’s subways, your doing a small anti fascist deed. Heck, even not buying certain products that contribute to the growing multinational corporate force behind the far-right resurgence is an antifa act.
I think you fundamentally misunderstand he nature of anti fascism.

Oh, no, don't worry, I know what anti-Fascism stands for. I've no issue claiming it's not evil to oppose Fascism and Fascists by whatever means are necessary to subvert them and keep them from building a successful movement.

[Kaedijork]

I would take issue with the moral presumption that antifa is actually a force of evil at all. Most would agree that the genocide of millions, which is inherently part of the fascist doctrine, is evil - antifa literally just means anti-fascist. That in itself makes them the antithesis of evil; most people do antifa acts every day - every time you speak out against a far right politician on twitter, or take down some racist propaganda plastered over your city’s subways, your doing a small anti fascist deed. Heck, even not buying certain products that contribute to the growing multinational corporate force behind the far-right resurgence is an antifa act.
I think you fundamentally misunderstand he nature of anti fascism.

Oh, no, don't worry, I know what anti-Fascism stands for. I've no issue claiming it's not evil to oppose Fascism and Fascists by whatever means are necessary to subvert them and keep them from building a successful movement.

https://images.app.goo.gl/4NVVGJ5zkCmy7tvU7

[Ifreann]

I gotta agree, Trump will absolutely take white supremacists seriously as long as they vote for him.

He's condemned hatred, bigotry, neo-Nazis and the KKK so many times, at this point it's exhausting. It's obvious he should stop because no matter how many condemnations his office issues this talking point never seems to die, despite reality.

It's almost like there are myriad reasons not to believe anything Donald Trump says on the matter, from his long history of oh so many lies, to the fact that he only denounces his fascist supporters when he's forced to by widespread outrage.

[Frenasia]

He's condemned hatred, bigotry, neo-Nazis and the KKK so many times, at this point it's exhausting. It's obvious he should stop because no matter how many condemnations his office issues this talking point never seems to die, despite reality.

It's almost like there are myriad reasons not to believe anything Donald Trump says on the matter, from his long history of oh so many lies, to the fact that he only denounces his fascist supporters when he's forced to by widespread outrage.

"fascist"

Seven across.

[Purgatio]

What possible reason could you and others have against this Portland rally to end domestic terrorism, because it sounds like you know how dangerous and sinister ANTIFA is too, and that's all this was, a rally to raise awareness on the dangers of ANTIFA terrorism

AntiFA's the far lesser of two evils, and any claims of otherwise are inherently disingenuous.

How on Earth is ANTIFA terrorism the lesser of two evils? We have political extremists on the Far Left and Far Right going around attacking and killing people who they disagreew with, and while the latter is universally condemned, the former is still given credibility by the mainstream media, like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D71bwVKWxRE

[Nationalist Teksas]

rekt.

[Purgatio]

He's condemned hatred, bigotry, neo-Nazis and the KKK so many times, at this point it's exhausting. It's obvious he should stop because no matter how many condemnations his office issues this talking point never seems to die, despite reality.

It's almost like there are myriad reasons not to believe anything Donald Trump says on the matter, from his long history of oh so many lies, to the fact that he only denounces his fascist supporters when he's forced to by widespread outrage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRkq3_DYj_o
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/trump-condemns-charlottesville-attackers/index.html

Again, how many times does he have to do this before you're satisfied? Seriously the President should stop bothering with condemning neo-Nazis and the KKK because he could do it a hundred times in a day and Leftists will still say he 'condones white supremacy'. What's the point?

[Seangoli]

I gotta agree, Trump will absolutely take white supremacists seriously as long as they vote for him.

He's condemned hatred, bigotry, neo-Nazis and the KKK so many times, at this point it's exhausting. It's obvious he should stop because no matter how many condemnations his office issues this talking point never seems to die, despite reality.

Yeah, if you repeat the talking points, arguments, and memes created by White Supremecists and nationalists, you don't get a pass by then saying "I totally don't agree with them though." That's not how it works, and it comes off as being forced to placate the masses, while giving a nudge and a wink to others.

"Hey guys, nevermind that I unironically, said the same shit these racist jackasses said, amd nevermind that they also eat up everything I say, and mevermind I hammer on the exact same talking point and rhetoric, but they are totally bad, okay?"

[Kowani]

AntiFA's the far lesser of two evils, and any claims of otherwise are inherently disingenuous.

How on Earth is ANTIFA terrorism the lesser of two evils? We have political extremists on the Far Left and Far Right going around attacking and killing people who they disagreew with, and while the latter is universally condemned, the former is still given credibility by the mainstream media, like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D71bwVKWxRE

“Antifa kills people.”

Waiter, I ordered a burger with fries, not lies.

[Purgatio]

He's condemned hatred, bigotry, neo-Nazis and the KKK so many times, at this point it's exhausting. It's obvious he should stop because no matter how many condemnations his office issues this talking point never seems to die, despite reality.

Yeah, if you repeat the talking points, arguments, and memes created by White Supremecists and nationalists, you don't get a pass by then saying "I totally don't agree with them though." That's not how it works, and it comes off as being forced to placate the masses, while giving a nudge and a wink to others.

Happening to hold the same opinion as neo-Nazis on a particular issue doesn't make you a Nazi. A Communist and a centre-leftist might both agree that the estate tax should be raised, that doesn't make the centre-leftist a Communist.

If you hold Nazi beliefs like supporting ethnic cleansing or genocide (which Trump has never called for), then you are a Nazi. But happening to agree with a Nazi on a particular issue doesn't mean you are a Nazi yourself.

[Purgatio]

How on Earth is ANTIFA terrorism the lesser of two evils? We have political extremists on the Far Left and Far Right going around attacking and killing people who they disagreew with, and while the latter is universally condemned, the former is still given credibility by the mainstream media, like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D71bwVKWxRE

“Antifa kills people.”

Waiter, I ordered a burger with fries, not lies.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/

[Seangoli]

Yeah, if you repeat the talking points, arguments, and memes created by White Supremecists and nationalists, you don't get a pass by then saying "I totally don't agree with them though." That's not how it works, and it comes off as being forced to placate the masses, while giving a nudge and a wink to others.

Happening to hold the same opinion as neo-Nazis on a particular issue doesn't make you a Nazi. A Communist and a centre-leftist might both agree that the estate tax should be raised, that doesn't make the centre-leftist a Communist.

If you hold Nazi beliefs like supporting ethnic cleansing or genocide (which Trump has never called for), then you are a Nazi. But happening to agree with a Nazi on a particular issue doesn't mean you are a Nazi yourself.

Let me explain it thusly:

Trump knows White Nationalist support him. We know this because they say it. They don't hide it. I don't need to guess it.

He spouts shit thay originated in their circles, and rhetoric that feeds into them. He takes great pains to never criticize them. It's only after they do something shitty that he comes out againsr them. Yet he spent weeks or months yammering about their talking points. His statements come off as utterly insincere because it's only after his supporters cause a problem that he hums and haws about it, amd then immediately starts belching the same dumbass rhetoric all over again.

He may not be a Nazi, but he sure as shit wants their votes, and acting.like a child who is only apologizing for getting caught isn't particularly convincing. It's a useful tool to point to to state "Look, I did it!" Naw, you don't get points for being forced to fix a situation you helped create.

[Kowani]

“Antifa kills people.”

Waiter, I ordered a burger with fries, not lies.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/

That’s nice. Prove him killed them because he was antifa. I mean, most mass shooters are Christian, but that doesn’t mean they’re shooting up places for Jesus.



Also, that’s one guy-and your original statement implied that they were equal.

[Purgatio]

Happening to hold the same opinion as neo-Nazis on a particular issue doesn't make you a Nazi. A Communist and a centre-leftist might both agree that the estate tax should be raised, that doesn't make the centre-leftist a Communist.

If you hold Nazi beliefs like supporting ethnic cleansing or genocide (which Trump has never called for), then you are a Nazi. But happening to agree with a Nazi on a particular issue doesn't mean you are a Nazi yourself.

Let me explain it thusly:

Trump knows White Nationalist support him. We know this because they say it. They don't hide it. I don't need to guess it.

He spouts shit thay originated in their circles, and rhetoric that feeds into them. He takes great pains to never criticize them. It's only after they do something shitty that he comes out againsr them. Yet he spent weeks or months yammering about their talking points. His statements come off as utterly insincere because it's only after his supporters cause a problem that he hums and haws about it, amd then immediately starts belching the same dumbass rhetoric all over again.

He may not be a Nazi, but he sure as shit wants their votes, and acting.like a child who is only apologizing for getting caught isn't particularly convincing. It's a useful tool to point to to state "Look, I did it!" Naw, you don't get points for being forced to fix a situation you helped create.

This debate would be easier if you gave a concrete example of when you think Trump parroted what you deem to be a 'white supremacist talking point', so let me raise one which the Left complained about. Trump's State Department recently looked into South African land expropriations (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-22/trump-wants-pompeo-to-study-killing-of-farmers/10158114), which the Left criticised as 'parroting white supremacist talking points'.

This is a very good example of what I'm talking about. I'm not in favour of the South African bill to amend the constitution to allow land seizures without appropriate compensation either, I actually think its dystopian to allow the State to erase property rights overnight without proper restitution being made, but just because many neo-Nazis on Stormfront might hate the bill too doesn't make me or Trump a 'Nazi' for thinking South African appropriation of land without compensation is a bad thing. This is what I'm talking about, happening to agree with a neo-Nazi on one issue that isn't central to Nazi ideology doesn't make one a Nazi, but the Left has seized on this to score political points for 'calling out' the Trump administration for supposed neo-Nazi sympathies that don't exist.

[Purgatio]

https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/

That’s nice. Prove him killed them because he was antifa. I mean, most mass shooters are Christian, but that doesn’t mean they’re shooting up places for Jesus.



Also, that’s one guy-and your original statement implied that they were equal.

His Twitter feed is just filled with tweet after tweet demonising ICE agents and supporting ANTIFA violence (https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-connor-betts-may-have-supported-leftist-ideas-on-shadow-twitter-account/)

What more do you want, a tweet saying "hey guys, I'm gonna go on a mass shooting because I support ANTIFA violence"?? Is that the totally-reasonable and explicit level of 'proof' you are expecting here?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

That’s nice. Prove him killed them because he was antifa. I mean, most mass shooters are Christian, but that doesn’t mean they’re shooting up places for Jesus.



Also, that’s one guy-and your original statement implied that they were equal.

His Twitter feed is just filled with tweet after tweet demonising ICE agents and supporting ANTIFA violence (https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-connor-betts-may-have-supported-leftist-ideas-on-shadow-twitter-account/)

What more do you want, a tweet saying "hey guys, I'm gonna go on a mass shooting because I support ANTIFA violence"?? Is that the totally-reasonable and explicit level of 'proof' you are expecting here?

Remember what happened to the insel subreddit when someone who posted on that committed a crime?

[Purgatio]

His Twitter feed is just filled with tweet after tweet demonising ICE agents and supporting ANTIFA violence (https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-connor-betts-may-have-supported-leftist-ideas-on-shadow-twitter-account/)

What more do you want, a tweet saying "hey guys, I'm gonna go on a mass shooting because I support ANTIFA violence"?? Is that the totally-reasonable and explicit level of 'proof' you are expecting here?

Remember what happened to the insel subreddit when someone who posted on that committed a crime?

Exactly, these are the kinds of reasonable inferences we draw all the time in the wake of a tragedy or mass shooting. People are just pretending not to draw the inference here because they can't stand the idea that, hey, ANTIFA might be a domestic terrorist group that is radicalising lone-wolf attacks like Dayton and like other terrorist movements, it's wilful and deliberate blindness

[Kowani]

That’s nice. Prove him killed them because he was antifa. I mean, most mass shooters are Christian, but that doesn’t mean they’re shooting up places for Jesus.



Also, that’s one guy-and your original statement implied that they were equal.

His Twitter feed is just filled with tweet after tweet demonising ICE agents and supporting ANTIFA violence (https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-connor-betts-may-have-supported-leftist-ideas-on-shadow-twitter-account/)

What more do you want, a tweet saying "hey guys, I'm gonna go on a mass shooting because I support ANTIFA violence"?? Is that the totally-reasonable and explicit level of 'proof' you are expecting here?

If demonizing ICE agents is proof, half of Twitter are terrorists. But something explicit would be nice, considering the alt-right is proudly releasing manifestos every time. But no, you don’t have that. So, you’re going to call it unreasonable.

[Nea Byzantia]

TG me it, but we must also create a NS-based group. NS'ers should stand united, instead of talking about it, let's fucking do something!

I'm doing what I can in my party at the moment.

Most of this site is composed of teenagers. Wtf are you guys gonna do

Tianamen Americana....