Fascist White Supremacist Rally in Portland Thwarted

[Loben The 2nd]

I really do not support racism of any kind, but I believe in freedom of expression, so while they do not hurt anyone, I think that they should be able to explain their reasons and their way of beeing.

Agreed but given the tacit support white supremacists are getting from the white horse, antifa are just being encouraged to turn violent.

If Trump took white supremacism seriously, antifa would be pointless.

Antifa has been pointless since their most famous failure installed the third reich.

[Nova Cyberia]

Being arrested for fights doesn't actually make you fascist.

I said sources, not headlines.

Their own website is full of fascist dog whistles so transparent a deaf human could hear them.

Is this your standard for proof?

No wonder commies aren't taken seriously.

[Nova Cyberia]

Agreed but given the tacit support white supremacists are getting from the white horse, antifa are just being encouraged to turn violent.

If Trump took white supremacism seriously, antifa would be pointless.

Antifa has been pointless since their most famous failure installed the third reich.

They're a failure built upon a failure.

[Liriena]

The rally was organized by the Proud Boys who are all fascist white supremacists, much like the Unite the Right demonstration in Charlottesville was organized by fascist white supremacists.

If someone who supposedly isn't a fascist white supremacist was ignorant of the intent of the demonstration and decided to join it, they would immediately notice the fascist imagery and rhetoric. If they chose to march with those fascists anyway, then they are themselves fascists.

No one gets to march with fascists and then claim "I'm just a conservative", "I'm just against antifa", "I just support Trump."

Maybe this would be more apparent if you asked yourself, if a so-called moderate Muslim marches with people waving ISIS flags, are they innocent?

Would you mind substantiating the claim that the Proud Boys are all fascists and white supremacists?

For starters, one of its former members is Jason Kessler, an open white supremacist who helped organize the Charlottesville putsch. The Proud Boys' founder, McInnes, did disavow Kessler because he wants to avoid accusations of white supremacism... although that might be difficult for him given his penchant for screaming the n-word and being anti-semitic, on top of stuff like this:
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... proud-boys

McInnes himself has ties to the racist right and has contributed to hate sites like VDare.com and American Renaissance, both of which publish the work of white supremacists and so-called “race realists.” He even used Taki’s Magazine — a far-right publication whose contributors include Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor — to announce the founding of the Proud Boys. McInnes plays a duplicitous rhetorical game: rejecting white nationalism and, in particular, the term “alt-right” while espousing some of its central tenets. For example, McInnes has himself said it is fair to call him Islamophobic.

McInnes himself has ties to the racist right and has contributed to hate sites like VDare.com and American Renaissance, both of which publish the work of white supremacists and so-called “race realists.” He even used Taki’s Magazine — a far-right publication whose contributors include Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor — to announce the founding of the Proud Boys. McInnes plays a duplicitous rhetorical game: rejecting white nationalism and, in particular, the term “alt-right” while espousing some of its central tenets. For example, McInnes has himself said it is fair to call him Islamophobic.

In 2002, for instance, when a New York Press reporter asked McInnes what he thought about his neighbors in New York’s Williamsburg neighborhood, he responded, “Well, at least they’re not niggers or Puerto Ricans. At least they’re white.”

“I love being white and I think it’s something to be very proud of,” he told The New York Times a year later, revealing an ideology that would later form the foundation of the Proud Boys. “I don’t want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.” McInnes also started writing for VDare.com, a white nationalist hate site. In one 2005 article, he railed against Canadian multiculturalism and lamented that Jared Taylor, the editor of the race-science newsletter American Renaissance, had not been invited to speak at the University of Ottawa. Ten years later, McInnes would welcome Taylor onto his own show, where the white nationalist spent more than an hour explaining why he believes white people are “better” than African Americans.

Proud Boys do their best to muddy right-wing taxonomies. Despite the pains they’ve taken to distance themselves from open white nationalists and antisemites, Proud Boys have been present at high-profile alt-right events, including the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. “[J]ust don’t fucking wear your Fred Perry, or decide to belt: ‘Proud of Your Boy,’” McInnes limply warned followers before the event. “[I]f you decide to rub elbows with those people [while] in colors, you very well could find yourself disavowed.”

But they did show up, which McInnes evidently expected. In the first episode of his Compound Media show after the August rally, McInnes said he had been “just combing through all the media reports going, ‘Don’t say Proud Boys, don’t say Proud Boys, don’t say Proud Boys,’” hoping the “lunatic Nazi” who allegedly killed Heather Heyer wasn’t a member of his group. He wasn’t, but the white nationalist Jason Kessler — who has been filmed undergoing his second-degree Proud Boy initiation — was the rally’s principal organizer. Less than two months earlier, Kessler had been a guest on “The Gavin McInnes Show,” where he promoted Unite the Right and, in a chummy interview, laid out the ideological overlap he and McInnes shared. “What’s really under attack is if you say, ‘I want to stand up for white people. I want to stand up for western civilization. I want to stand up for men. I want to stand up for Christians,’” to which McInnes nodded in agreement and added other examples: “I’m against immigration…I’m against jihadis. I’m against radical Islam.”

Similar calls have come from Augustus Invictus — born Austin Gillespie — a former Florida attorney and Senate candidate Chapman named his second-in-command in FOAK. Invictus’ ideology is a bizarre mix: he holds many mainstream libertarian beliefs but also claims Nazi and antisemitic thinkers (from the likes of Carl Schmitt and Francis Parker Yockey) as his chief intellectual influences and paganism as his faith. During his Senate run in 2016, journalists discovered that the candidate had slaughtered a goat and drank its blood as part of a pagan ritual. In campaign material, he criticized the federal government for abandoning eugenics programs. He’s also an admitted Holocaust denier.

McInnes welcomed Invictus onto his show on July 28, 2017, where the conversation repeatedly dipped into Invictus’s interest in armed revolution. He explained that he’d fallen out with his fellow attorneys because they took offense to his suggestions that “maybe lawyers should be hanged in a revolution and…if people get in our way, shoot them.” With regard to journalists, he continued, “I’ll tell them, ‘you’re the first ones that are gonna be hanging from a lamppost in the event of revolution.’” McInnes only nodded along and, in response, offered up his own frustrations with liberal journalists.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

These sources state so:

Weill, Kelly (January 29, 2019) "How the Proud Boys Became Roger Stone’s Personal Army" The Daily Beast

The Associated Press, . "3 arrested in NYC clashes following speech by leader of far-right Proud Boys group". Chicago Tribune. Retrieved February 3, 2019.

"Proud Boys Founder Gavin McInnes Wants Neighbors to Take Down Anti-Hate Yard Signs". lawandcrime.com. Retrieved February 3, 2019.
Producers, Parasites, Patriots. University of Minnesota Press. 2019. p. 2.

Colleen Long, 11 arrests at NYU protest over speech by 'Proud Boys' leader, Associated Press (February 3, 2017): "a far-right men's organization"

Wilson, Jason (July 14, 2018). "Who are the Proud Boys, 'western chauvinists' involved in political violence?". the Guardian.

Lowry, Rich (October 19, 2018). "The Poisonous Allure of Right-Wing Violence". National Review. Retrieved November 13, 2018. McInnes is open about his glorification of violence. In a speech, he described a clash with Antifa outside a talk he gave at NYU last year: "My guys are left to fight. And here's the crucial part: We do. And we beat the crap out of them." He related what a Proud Boy who got arrested told him afterward: "It was really, really fun." According to McInnes: "Violence doesn't feel good. Justified violence feels great. And fighting solves everything."

Morlin, Bill (April 25, 2017). "New Alt-Right "Fight Club" Ready for Street Violence". Southern Poverty Law Center.
Weill, Kelly; Shallwani, Pervaiz (October 15, 2018). "NYPD Looks to Charge 9 Proud Boys With Assault for Manhattan Fight". The Daily Beast.

"Gavin McInnes and the Proud Boys: Misogyny, Authoritarianism, and the Rise of Multiracial White Supremacy". The Takeaway: WNYC Studios. October 16, 2018.

Ellis, Emma Grey (May 22, 2017). "Your Handy Field Guide to the Many Factions of the Far Right, from the Proud Boys to Identity Evropa." Wired.com. Retrieved October 16, 2018.

Being arrested for fights doesn't actually make you fascist.

I said sources, not headlines.

Here are your links. Be warned though, there are gonna be a lot of them here:

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... t-violence
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-p ... nal-army-6
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nat ... story.html
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/pr ... ard-signs/
https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-divisio ... s-patriots
https://apnews.com/964cc747d67e4ae6863b ... ve-speaker
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... and-oregon
https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtow ... the-year-p
https://newrepublic.com/article/145192/ ... s-massacre
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... tionalists
https://www.thedailybeast.com/nypd-look ... ttan-fight
https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/gavin ... -supremacy
https://www.wired.com/2017/05/field-guide-far-right/

[Inyourfaceistan]

...You realize I've already been in the danger of being Doxxed before so this really adds no new danger right?
Also, that I've authorized people linking to my ActBlue...right?

No, I don't realize because I don't follow what you post and don't really care. I was just giving a heads up.

His nation name used to be his full legal name IRL.

This isn't a case of CNN backtracing some poor kids IP address; it was basically him doxxing himself...

[Loben The 2nd]

Antifa has been pointless since their most famous failure installed the third reich.

They're a failure built upon a failure.

failure begets failure.

[Bear Stearns]

13 folks were arrested, I don't think peace warrants arrest.

You are right that this rally was not peaceful, armed nazis hoping to provoke combat with antifascists are clearly not peaceful.

But as a matter of principle, I must point out that actual peaceful protesters are arrested all the time.

Wait the people who showed up with covered faces and weapons aren't provoking violence?

[Page]

The Proud Boys should send thank you cards, chocolate, and flowers to the police.

The police prevented both sides from attacking each other, how horrible.

I think you missed my point. I wasn't condemning the police response, only stating that the Proud Boys would have regretted coming out if the police weren't there. So with no sarcasm, I suggest they should be grateful to the cops.

[Vassenor]

How was it "thwarted"? They assembled and left peacefully (Both sides). Could even be called a far-right "victory" since Portland is an Antifa nest. They were lucky they escaped unscathed.

TIL trying to attack people standing near your bus with a hammer is "left peacefully".

[Makersaulache]

I wonder why far right militias insist on holding armed rallies in Portland, after facing violence from locals every single time in the past.

It's almost like they want to provoke the violence because it's good propaganda for them. They get to play the martyrs if they get hit, and play the badasses if they land a few of their own.

if the armed miltias were attacked it'd be a fuggin massacre lmao.

"Lmao" As if a massacre is a thing to laugh at, to make fun at. But I suppose the taking of human life is justified if they support the other side?

[Destriustan]

Classic Trump, calling Antifa a Organization of Terror while ignoring the actual fascists.

[Loben The 2nd]

The police prevented both sides from attacking each other, how horrible.

I think you missed my point. I wasn't condemning the police response, only stating that the Proud Boys would have regretted coming out if the police weren't there. So with no sarcasm, I suggest they should be grateful to the cops.

i would honestly suggest anyone to the right of ANTIFA arm themselves from now on.

[Bear Stearns]

No, I don't realize because I don't follow what you post and don't really care. I was just giving a heads up.

His nation name used to be his full legal name IRL.

This isn't a case of CNN backtracing some poor kids IP address; it was basically him doxxing himself...

That's just irresponsible. Even if your NS account was totally clean, people would still just find it strange.

And oh yeah, I forgot that CNN doxxed a teenager. Why do we respect them again?

[Pacomia]

The entire West Coast at this point seems to be doing bad

Explain?

[Electic]

1: Again, people have provided sources I don't want to repeat them.
3: The police broke it up this time-unlike usual-but it's caused huge outrage in the community towards the Proud Boys.
5: More like just encouraging NS'ers to join activist groups and talk to each other and be possible lines of communication for networking those groups, helping them a little. Not anything too major, honestly.

[1] I would suggest having a box of easily referenced ones in the OP. If its important enough to make a thread, it should be important enough to prove what you say is true.
[3] Yes, but my point was is that the Proud Boys are the behaved ones in this regard. Outrage does not give a community free license to start wrecking shit. If anything, the counter-protesters seem like the real terrorizors.
[4]Was a little melodramatic in tone imo. Why don't you try to organize in RL circles instead of online game forums though?

[Bear Stearns]

The police prevented both sides from attacking each other, how horrible.

I think you missed my point. I wasn't condemning the police response, only stating that the Proud Boys would have regretted coming out if the police weren't there. So with no sarcasm, I suggest they should be grateful to the cops.

Sounds like you're suggesting antifa would have been violent towards them then.

[Ifreann]

You are right that this rally was not peaceful, armed nazis hoping to provoke combat with antifascists are clearly not peaceful.

But as a matter of principle, I must point out that actual peaceful protesters are arrested all the time.

Wait the people who showed up with covered faces and weapons aren't provoking violence?

You mean the police?

[Nova Cyberia]

Being arrested for fights doesn't actually make you fascist.

I said sources, not headlines.

Here are your links. Be warned though, there are gonna be a lot of them here:

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... t-violence
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-p ... nal-army-6
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nat ... story.html
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/pr ... ard-signs/
https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-divisio ... s-patriots
https://apnews.com/964cc747d67e4ae6863b ... ve-speaker
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... and-oregon
https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtow ... the-year-p
https://newrepublic.com/article/145192/ ... s-massacre
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... tionalists
https://www.thedailybeast.com/nypd-look ... ttan-fight
https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/gavin ... -supremacy
https://www.wired.com/2017/05/field-guide-far-right/

Wow, link spam. That's great.

[Loben The 2nd]

His nation name used to be his full legal name IRL.

This isn't a case of CNN backtracing some poor kids IP address; it was basically him doxxing himself...

That's just irresponsible. Even if your NS account was totally clean, people would still just find it strange.

And oh yeah, I forgot that CNN doxxed a teenager. Why do we respect them again?

because the media in their hubris style themselves as "defenders of democracy"

despite the fact that they are a hindrance upon it.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Agreed but given the tacit support white supremacists are getting from the white horse, antifa are just being encouraged to turn violent.

If Trump took white supremacism seriously, antifa would be pointless.

Antifa has been pointless since their most famous failure installed the third reich.

Yeah, Antifa totally was responsible for the Great Depression happening and Hindenburg naming Hitler as the new chancellor of Germany.

[Nova Cyberia]

Would you mind substantiating the claim that the Proud Boys are all fascists and white supremacists?

For starters, one of its former members is Jason Kessler, an open white supremacist who helped organize the Charlottesville putsch. The Proud Boys' founder, McInnes, did disavow Kessler because he wants to avoid accusations of white supremacism... although that might be difficult for him given his penchant for screaming the n-word and being anti-semitic, on top of stuff like this:
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... proud-boys

McInnes himself has ties to the racist right and has contributed to hate sites like VDare.com and American Renaissance, both of which publish the work of white supremacists and so-called “race realists.” He even used Taki’s Magazine — a far-right publication whose contributors include Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor — to announce the founding of the Proud Boys. McInnes plays a duplicitous rhetorical game: rejecting white nationalism and, in particular, the term “alt-right” while espousing some of its central tenets. For example, McInnes has himself said it is fair to call him Islamophobic.

McInnes himself has ties to the racist right and has contributed to hate sites like VDare.com and American Renaissance, both of which publish the work of white supremacists and so-called “race realists.” He even used Taki’s Magazine — a far-right publication whose contributors include Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor — to announce the founding of the Proud Boys. McInnes plays a duplicitous rhetorical game: rejecting white nationalism and, in particular, the term “alt-right” while espousing some of its central tenets. For example, McInnes has himself said it is fair to call him Islamophobic.

In 2002, for instance, when a New York Press reporter asked McInnes what he thought about his neighbors in New York’s Williamsburg neighborhood, he responded, “Well, at least they’re not niggers or Puerto Ricans. At least they’re white.”

“I love being white and I think it’s something to be very proud of,” he told The New York Times a year later, revealing an ideology that would later form the foundation of the Proud Boys. “I don’t want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.” McInnes also started writing for VDare.com, a white nationalist hate site. In one 2005 article, he railed against Canadian multiculturalism and lamented that Jared Taylor, the editor of the race-science newsletter American Renaissance, had not been invited to speak at the University of Ottawa. Ten years later, McInnes would welcome Taylor onto his own show, where the white nationalist spent more than an hour explaining why he believes white people are “better” than African Americans.

Proud Boys do their best to muddy right-wing taxonomies. Despite the pains they’ve taken to distance themselves from open white nationalists and antisemites, Proud Boys have been present at high-profile alt-right events, including the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. “[J]ust don’t fucking wear your Fred Perry, or decide to belt: ‘Proud of Your Boy,’” McInnes limply warned followers before the event. “[I]f you decide to rub elbows with those people [while] in colors, you very well could find yourself disavowed.”

But they did show up, which McInnes evidently expected. In the first episode of his Compound Media show after the August rally, McInnes said he had been “just combing through all the media reports going, ‘Don’t say Proud Boys, don’t say Proud Boys, don’t say Proud Boys,’” hoping the “lunatic Nazi” who allegedly killed Heather Heyer wasn’t a member of his group. He wasn’t, but the white nationalist Jason Kessler — who has been filmed undergoing his second-degree Proud Boy initiation — was the rally’s principal organizer. Less than two months earlier, Kessler had been a guest on “The Gavin McInnes Show,” where he promoted Unite the Right and, in a chummy interview, laid out the ideological overlap he and McInnes shared. “What’s really under attack is if you say, ‘I want to stand up for white people. I want to stand up for western civilization. I want to stand up for men. I want to stand up for Christians,’” to which McInnes nodded in agreement and added other examples: “I’m against immigration…I’m against jihadis. I’m against radical Islam.”

Similar calls have come from Augustus Invictus — born Austin Gillespie — a former Florida attorney and Senate candidate Chapman named his second-in-command in FOAK. Invictus’ ideology is a bizarre mix: he holds many mainstream libertarian beliefs but also claims Nazi and antisemitic thinkers (from the likes of Carl Schmitt and Francis Parker Yockey) as his chief intellectual influences and paganism as his faith. During his Senate run in 2016, journalists discovered that the candidate had slaughtered a goat and drank its blood as part of a pagan ritual. In campaign material, he criticized the federal government for abandoning eugenics programs. He’s also an admitted Holocaust denier.

McInnes welcomed Invictus onto his show on July 28, 2017, where the conversation repeatedly dipped into Invictus’s interest in armed revolution. He explained that he’d fallen out with his fellow attorneys because they took offense to his suggestions that “maybe lawyers should be hanged in a revolution and…if people get in our way, shoot them.” With regard to journalists, he continued, “I’ll tell them, ‘you’re the first ones that are gonna be hanging from a lamppost in the event of revolution.’” McInnes only nodded along and, in response, offered up his own frustrations with liberal journalists.

Considering the Proud Boys are decentralized much like Antifa is you're gonna have to do better than nailing him.

[Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich]

Fascism is a terrible ideology that has no place in America. As for Antifa, being anti-Fascist isn't necessarily bad, but it could be handled so much better if it had direction and leadership.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Agreed but given the tacit support white supremacists are getting from the white horse, antifa are just being encouraged to turn violent.

If Trump took white supremacism seriously, antifa would be pointless.

Agreed.

Debate me on Discord lmao

No I'd prefer a more professional debate.

If you can arrange one with a diverse audience not predominantly predisposed towards a certain ideology or you(Like when Maher debated Shapiro, which I feel was unfair for Shapiro, as applause bias/personal biases against someone/views/etc. overwhelmingly influenced the viewers which to me, makes it harder for the public to get good clean views of it[hence why I and many other of my local democratic activists disapprove of the format of the presidential debates])), I'd be glad. We just need to arrange a ruleset, no ad hominems, or personal attacks, and focus on the issues at hand, with adequate time to explain, etc.

Its not like any decent individual would cover their face or bring dangerous weapons to what is supposed a peaceful demonstration. Any of those elements are by definition an indication that trouble and physical confrontation is either expected or even sought out by the individuals or groups in question. ;^)

I don't get what that has to do with me?
I've already told you I intend to work on this, raise it at the next central committee meeting.

Nah 1v1 over DM's

Mano a mano

[Loben The 2nd]

Antifa has been pointless since their most famous failure installed the third reich.

Yeah, Antifa totally was responsible for the Great Depression happening and Hindenburg naming Hitler as the new chancellor of Germany.

they couldve prevented the latter.