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Lanoraie II
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Postby Lanoraie II » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:09 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Lanoraie II wrote:Trump didn't speak about the fascists because they weren't the ones acting like fascists.


Yes, the Fascists were busily spreading their Fascism non-Fascistically... however that works. I guess violence is Fascism and the more violence you do the Fascister it is or something.


Using violent methods to thwart supposed fascists (whether true or delusions by antifa) is a common philosophy of fascism, so yes, violence is fascism.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:10 pm

Lanoraie II wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Yes, the Fascists were busily spreading their Fascism non-Fascistically... however that works. I guess violence is Fascism and the more violence you do the Fascister it is or something.


Using violent methods to thwart supposed fascists (whether true or delusions by antifa) is a common philosophy of fascism, so yes, violence is fascism.


That's literally not Fascism at all, I was fucking cracking a joke holy shit.

I guess the next time I wallop somebody for attacking me I'll begin reestablishing Mussolini's Italy since violence is Fascism. Apparently.
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Postby Lanoraie II » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:27 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Lanoraie II wrote:
Using violent methods to thwart supposed fascists (whether true or delusions by antifa) is a common philosophy of fascism, so yes, violence is fascism.


That's literally not Fascism at all, I was fucking cracking a joke holy shit.

I guess the next time I wallop somebody for attacking me I'll begin reestablishing Mussolini's Italy since violence is Fascism. Apparently.


I literally have no idea what you were saying in the first place honestly because it read very convoluted. Can you restate your statement in a more smooth manner please?
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:28 pm

Lanoraie II wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That's literally not Fascism at all, I was fucking cracking a joke holy shit.

I guess the next time I wallop somebody for attacking me I'll begin reestablishing Mussolini's Italy since violence is Fascism. Apparently.


I literally have no idea what you were saying in the first place honestly because it read very convoluted. Can you restate your statement in a more smooth manner please?


Violence isn't Fascism.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:28 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Lanoraie II wrote:
Using violent methods to thwart supposed fascists (whether true or delusions by antifa) is a common philosophy of fascism, so yes, violence is fascism.


That's literally not Fascism at all, I was fucking cracking a joke holy shit.

I guess the next time I wallop somebody for attacking me I'll begin reestablishing Mussolini's Italy since violence is Fascism. Apparently.


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Postby Lanoraie II » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:17 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Lanoraie II wrote:
I literally have no idea what you were saying in the first place honestly because it read very convoluted. Can you restate your statement in a more smooth manner please?


Violence isn't Fascism.


Violence used as means to push a political agenda is fascism.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:18 pm

Lanoraie II wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Violence isn't Fascism.


Violence used as means to push a political agenda is fascism.


Are you sure about that? All violence to push an agenda is fascism?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:20 pm

Lanoraie II wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Violence isn't Fascism.


Violence used as means to push a political agenda is fascism.

No it's not, and honestly this is a dumb argument. Antifa doesn't need to be fascist to be terrible. They're perfectly capable of being shitty on their own.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:22 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Lanoraie II wrote:
Violence used as means to push a political agenda is fascism.

You're saying mobs in Rome and the Communists were Fascist. :roll:

Look dude, as someone who takes pride in what history he knows-and I know a good amount even if I'm not a expert-, this is an insane, ludicrous take.


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Postby Torrocca » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:35 pm

Lanoraie II wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Violence isn't Fascism.


Violence used as means to push a political agenda is fascism.


I really miss the facepalm emoji right now. I haven't the proper vocabulary to express my pain at this ridiculous statement.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:37 pm

Lanoraie II wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Violence isn't Fascism.


Violence used as means to push a political agenda is fascism.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:38 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Lanoraie II wrote:
Violence used as means to push a political agenda is fascism.


I really miss the facepalm emoji right now. I haven't the proper vocabulary to express my pain at this ridiculous statement.


You know why you want to use it more than likely? Because this stretches the meaning of fascism to the point of ridiculousness and, well, meaninglessness.

No, not all violence that pushes a political agenda is fascism.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:39 pm

Good, now let's thwart the ANTIFA rallies too.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:39 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Anarchists gonna anarchism?

Yeah.

I mean, violent groups can be violent without being Fascist.


All governments are fascist. *nods sagely*
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:40 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Anarchists gonna anarchism?

Yeah.

I mean, violent groups can be violent without being Fascist.


Fascists can be Fascists without being violent, as well. It's almost like not all people - even within the same group - behave in the exact same manner.

Crazy, right?
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:41 pm

Kowani wrote:
Lanoraie II wrote:
Violence used as means to push a political agenda is fascism.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness

It's very annoying to me that completely innocent subsets of Euclidean space are being grouped with this bullshit.
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Postby Tobleste » Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:42 pm

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Agreed but given the tacit support white supremacists are getting from the white horse, antifa are just being encouraged to turn violent.

If Trump took white supremacism seriously, antifa would be pointless.


they already are violent.

thats like encouraging a rapist to go to a battered women's shelter.


Which is a bad thing. Agreed?
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Postby Tobleste » Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:43 pm

Marquisal wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Agreed but given the tacit support white supremacists are getting from the white horse, antifa are just being encouraged to turn violent.

If Trump took white supremacism seriously, antifa would be pointless.


He takes it seriously.


No he doesn't but to be specific, I'd rather he took it seriously and thought it was bad.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:47 pm

Lanoraie II wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Violence isn't Fascism.


Violence used as means to push a political agenda is fascism.


You heard it here first: George Washington was a huge fascist.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:37 pm

Cekoviu wrote:

It's very annoying to me that completely innocent subsets of Euclidean space are being grouped with this bullshit.

Some sacrifices must be made.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:42 pm

Cekoviu wrote:

It's very annoying to me that completely innocent subsets of Euclidean space are being grouped with this bullshit.

Euclid is cancelled.

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Postby Trollgaard » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:00 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Marquisal wrote:I really do not support racism of any kind, but I believe in freedom of expression, so while they do not hurt anyone, I think that they should be able to explain their reasons and their way of beeing.


Agreed but given the tacit support white supremacists are getting from the white horse, antifa are just being encouraged to turn violent.

If Trump took white supremacism seriously, antifa would be pointless.


...

You may want to smoke a little less of whatever you are on.

You are spouting absolute lies.

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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:06 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Agreed but given the tacit support white supremacists are getting from the white horse, antifa are just being encouraged to turn violent.

If Trump took white supremacism seriously, antifa would be pointless.


...

You may want to smoke a little less of whatever you are on.

You are spouting absolute lies.


I gotta agree, Trump will absolutely take white supremacists seriously as long as they vote for him.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:40 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Agreed but given the tacit support white supremacists are getting from the white horse, antifa are just being encouraged to turn violent.

If Trump took white supremacism seriously, antifa would be pointless.


...

You may want to smoke a little less of whatever you are on.

You are spouting absolute lies.


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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:08 am

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Trollgaard wrote:
...

You may want to smoke a little less of whatever you are on.

You are spouting absolute lies.


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