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Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Loben The 2nd wrote:
now now, you should listen to the white guy in portland. he knows whats best for you.

...
I'm Mexican.

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:Would you mind substantiating the claim that the Proud Boys are all fascists and white supremacists?

These sources state so:

Weill, Kelly (January 29, 2019) "How the Proud Boys Became Roger Stone’s Personal Army" The Daily Beast

The Associated Press, . "3 arrested in NYC clashes following speech by leader of far-right Proud Boys group". Chicago Tribune. Retrieved February 3, 2019.

"Proud Boys Founder Gavin McInnes Wants Neighbors to Take Down Anti-Hate Yard Signs". lawandcrime.com. Retrieved February 3, 2019.
Producers, Parasites, Patriots. University of Minnesota Press. 2019. p. 2.

Colleen Long, 11 arrests at NYU protest over speech by 'Proud Boys' leader, Associated Press (February 3, 2017): "a far-right men's organization"

Wilson, Jason (July 14, 2018). "Who are the Proud Boys, 'western chauvinists' involved in political violence?". the Guardian.

Lowry, Rich (October 19, 2018). "The Poisonous Allure of Right-Wing Violence". National Review. Retrieved November 13, 2018. McInnes is open about his glorification of violence. In a speech, he described a clash with Antifa outside a talk he gave at NYU last year: "My guys are left to fight. And here's the crucial part: We do. And we beat the crap out of them." He related what a Proud Boy who got arrested told him afterward: "It was really, really fun." According to McInnes: "Violence doesn't feel good. Justified violence feels great. And fighting solves everything."

Morlin, Bill (April 25, 2017). "New Alt-Right "Fight Club" Ready for Street Violence". Southern Poverty Law Center.
Weill, Kelly; Shallwani, Pervaiz (October 15, 2018). "NYPD Looks to Charge 9 Proud Boys With Assault for Manhattan Fight". The Daily Beast.

"Gavin McInnes and the Proud Boys: Misogyny, Authoritarianism, and the Rise of Multiracial White Supremacy". The Takeaway: WNYC Studios. October 16, 2018.

Ellis, Emma Grey (May 22, 2017). "Your Handy Field Guide to the Many Factions of the Far Right, from the Proud Boys to Identity Evropa." Wired.com. Retrieved October 16, 2018.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Marquisal wrote:
Wow, is this some kind of bad joke?
I am talking, you should not tell people to ashame of themselfs just by not having the same opinion as you. I'm not supporting that white supremacists, but I neither support somebody who thinks that to be mexican you must be of a determinated race, that sounds like Hitler. I can be mexican, my black friends can be mexican, a chinese dude can be mexican and a latino can be mexican, it has nothing to do with races, did you know that?

...Have you read other posts in the thread?

They are clear-cut white supremacists and fascists.

It's like you ignored everything that wouldn't fit your narrative.

Loben The 2nd wrote:

Eternal Lotharia wrote:...
I'm Mexican.

Mexicans can be white too.

whats with the racism man?

Page wrote:

Liriena wrote:Because out-of-state far right groups found that they could milk exponential amounts of sympathy from liberals and conservatives so long as they kept kicking the hornet's nest that is the local anti-fascist activism. They'll keep going there until one of their own fucks up beyond all repair, like the Charlottesville dickhead.

They won't stop even then. The murder of Heather Heyer in Charlottesville was entirely intentional. The other nazis may not have known who, when, or how someone would be murdered, but they fuel stochastic terrorism with the certainty that someone somewhere will do what most of them only fantasize about.

I am certain that they were hoping today that they could bait an antifascist into taking a swing at them so they could kill again.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:You're acting like we wanted it to begin with.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Inyourfaceistan wrote:This grandeur plan is a new level of cringe...

Excuse me for being terrified to live in my city after mexicans were threatened(look it up) by them, and thus it was unsafe to go downtown.

I'm already doing my part, I'm just asking NS'ers to stop whining and talk and instead agree to work together to stop what we should all see as a epidemic. Even if it's something small, it'll be worth it.

I'm sorry if you don't give a fuck, because guess how much I care that you won't get involved: Zero fucks.

Now go away if you aren't adding to the conversation in any meaningful manner, else you're just taking up space.

Bear Stearns wrote:

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Mexicans can be white too.

whats with the racism man?

Jorge Ramos, a 100% pure Castellano, is a rather ardent Mexican nationalist and ethnic chauvnist.

Nova Cyberia wrote:Would you mind substantiating the claim that the Proud Boys are all fascists and white supremacists?

Marquisal wrote:I really do not support racism of any kind, but I believe in freedom of expression, so while they do not hurt anyone, I think that they should be able to explain their reasons and their way of beeing.

Loben The 2nd wrote:

Bear Stearns wrote:
Jorge Ramos, a 100% pure Castellano, is a rather ardent Mexican nationalist and ethnic chauvnist.

he looks like a aged anderson cooper.

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:These sources state so:

Weill, Kelly (January 29, 2019) "How the Proud Boys Became Roger Stone’s Personal Army" The Daily Beast

The Associated Press, . "3 arrested in NYC clashes following speech by leader of far-right Proud Boys group". Chicago Tribune. Retrieved February 3, 2019.

"Proud Boys Founder Gavin McInnes Wants Neighbors to Take Down Anti-Hate Yard Signs". lawandcrime.com. Retrieved February 3, 2019.
Producers, Parasites, Patriots. University of Minnesota Press. 2019. p. 2.

Colleen Long, 11 arrests at NYU protest over speech by 'Proud Boys' leader, Associated Press (February 3, 2017): "a far-right men's organization"

Wilson, Jason (July 14, 2018). "Who are the Proud Boys, 'western chauvinists' involved in political violence?". the Guardian.

Lowry, Rich (October 19, 2018). "The Poisonous Allure of Right-Wing Violence". National Review. Retrieved November 13, 2018. McInnes is open about his glorification of violence. In a speech, he described a clash with Antifa outside a talk he gave at NYU last year: "My guys are left to fight. And here's the crucial part: We do. And we beat the crap out of them." He related what a Proud Boy who got arrested told him afterward: "It was really, really fun." According to McInnes: "Violence doesn't feel good. Justified violence feels great. And fighting solves everything."

Morlin, Bill (April 25, 2017). "New Alt-Right "Fight Club" Ready for Street Violence". Southern Poverty Law Center.
Weill, Kelly; Shallwani, Pervaiz (October 15, 2018). "NYPD Looks to Charge 9 Proud Boys With Assault for Manhattan Fight". The Daily Beast.

"Gavin McInnes and the Proud Boys: Misogyny, Authoritarianism, and the Rise of Multiracial White Supremacy". The Takeaway: WNYC Studios. October 16, 2018.

Ellis, Emma Grey (May 22, 2017). "Your Handy Field Guide to the Many Factions of the Far Right, from the Proud Boys to Identity Evropa." Wired.com. Retrieved October 16, 2018.

Being arrested for fights doesn't actually make you fascist.

I said sources, not headlines.

Arcanda wrote:How was it "thwarted"? They assembled and left peacefully (Both sides). Could even be called a far-right "victory" since Portland is an Antifa nest. They were lucky they escaped unscathed.

Arcanda wrote:How was it "thwarted"? They assembled and left peacefully (Both sides). Could even be called a far-right "victory" since Portland is an Antifa nest. They were lucky they escaped unscathed.

Tobleste wrote:

Marquisal wrote:I really do not support racism of any kind, but I believe in freedom of expression, so while they do not hurt anyone, I think that they should be able to explain their reasons and their way of beeing.

Agreed but given the tacit support white supremacists are getting from the white horse, antifa are just being encouraged to turn violent.

If Trump took white supremacism seriously, antifa would be pointless.

Bear Stearns wrote:

Loben The 2nd wrote:he looks like a aged anderson cooper.

Idk who that is more insulting too. Probably Ramos, because even though he is a piece of shit, he is quite open about his hostility. Cooper is an elitist creep.

Tobleste wrote:

Marquisal wrote:I really do not support racism of any kind, but I believe in freedom of expression, so while they do not hurt anyone, I think that they should be able to explain their reasons and their way of beeing.

Agreed but given the tacit support white supremacists are getting from the white horse, antifa are just being encouraged to turn violent.

If Trump took white supremacism seriously, antifa would be pointless.

Page wrote:

Arcanda wrote:How was it "thwarted"? They assembled and left peacefully (Both sides). Could even be called a far-right "victory" since Portland is an Antifa nest. They were lucky they escaped unscathed.

The Proud Boys should send thank you cards, chocolate, and flowers to the police.

Marquisal wrote:

Tobleste wrote:
Agreed but given the tacit support white supremacists are getting from the white horse, antifa are just being encouraged to turn violent.

If Trump took white supremacism seriously, antifa would be pointless.

He takes it seriously.

The South Falls wrote:

Arcanda wrote:How was it "thwarted"? They assembled and left peacefully (Both sides). Could even be called a far-right "victory" since Portland is an Antifa nest. They were lucky they escaped unscathed.

13 folks were arrested, I don't think peace warrants arrest.

Cerinda wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:Would you mind substantiating the claim that the Proud Boys are all fascists and white supremacists?

I think when your leader and founder denies the holocaust and is friends with Nazis, then that's a pretty good example of why your group is fascist.

The group, which is nominally part of the alt lite, is overtly Islamophobic and misogynistic, and some members are also anti-Semitic and racist.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Nakena wrote:
If you dont want it anymore then sit down with some politicians and law experts and start trawling what is legally possible to either directly or indirectly prevent the violent clashes or the whole ongoing demonstrations in general. For example there might be somewhere a law or regulation that explicitly bans covering of the face during public gatherings or to bring dangerous weapons.

Lastly separating the blocs from each other or moving them out of the city might also work, anything towards deescalation and snuffing out any possibility of action, which I believe i what people seek out. Make it plain boring, complicated and difficult.

My party chapter is. I am on the immigration and economics committees, so I'm doing what I can.

Bear Stearns wrote:

Page wrote:
The Proud Boys should send thank you cards, chocolate, and flowers to the police.

The police prevented both sides from attacking each other, how horrible.