Fascist White Supremacist Rally in Portland Thwarted

[San Lumen]

It really is sad how this keeps happening. White Supremacy has no place anywhere. Racism is never ok either. It is also scary how Trump refuses to do anything about it and tweets white nationalist mantras like go back to your country. He is literally fueling these right wing groups.

[Saiwania]

It really is sad how this keeps happening. White Supremacy has no place anywhere. Racism is never ok either. It is also scary how Trump refuses to do anything about it and tweets white nationalist mantras like go back to your country. He is literally fueling these right wing groups.

White Supremacy has a place to be in this world if Black Supremacy does as well. I'd contend that it is more right to let it be than to pretend that there are no genetic based physical differences between people whatsoever. Liberals insist that none of it matters, but it does to me.

[Molonia]

And you are not the arbiter of what matters so your point?

[Necroghastia]

It really is sad how this keeps happening. White Supremacy has no place anywhere. Racism is never ok either. It is also scary how Trump refuses to do anything about it and tweets white nationalist mantras like go back to your country. He is literally fueling these right wing groups.

White Supremacy has a place to be in this world if Black Supremacy does as well. I'd contend that it is more right to let it be than to pretend that there are no genetic based physical differences between people whatsoever. Liberals insist that none of it matters, but it does to me.

Dude. PG-13. Keep your kinks out of this.

[San Lumen]

It really is sad how this keeps happening. White Supremacy has no place anywhere. Racism is never ok either. It is also scary how Trump refuses to do anything about it and tweets white nationalist mantras like go back to your country. He is literally fueling these right wing groups.

White Supremacy has a place to be in this world if Black Supremacy does as well. I'd contend that it is more right to let it be than to pretend that there are no genetic based physical differences between people whatsoever. Liberals insist that none of it matters, but it does to me.

Supremacy of any kind has no place.

The are no physical differences between anyone based on ethnicity. What is so damm special about being white? Race has no basis in science. Skin color is a result of the angle and intensity of the sun due to the curvature of the Earth. Nothing else.

I don't understand why it matters to you. Here's a question for you if a black police officer pulled you over or asserted authority at a event you were attending would you respect it?

[Molonia]

I mean he already revealed to us his master plan for taking over the United States like some Marvel supervillain on this forum so I'm not really surprised.

[San Lumen]

I mean he already revealed to us his master plan for taking over the United States like some Marvel supervillain on this forum so I'm not really surprised.

What?

[Ifreann]

...Read the damn article.

Stop going BOTH SIDES, it makes you sound like a idiot.

The huffpost article you linked to later actually has some nice info.

And you are being foolish if you think antifa bros aren't doing the exact same shit. Being all billy badass online. You see pics and posts of left wing guys with guns and weapons all the time.

Both sides in this are ridiculous- political violence in the streets in unacceptable.

I love how quickly you shift from defending the Proud Boys as just normal conservatives to "Well, the left are bad too".

[Molonia]

I mean he already revealed to us his master plan for taking over the United States like some Marvel supervillain on this forum so I'm not really surprised.

What?

Remember when he was talking about 'ruling as an unknown'? Where nobody can know who he is?

[San Lumen]

What?

Remember when he was talking about 'ruling as an unknown'? Where nobody can know who he is?

I can't say I remember that

[Kaedijork]

Antifa is not an organisation. There is no structure, hierarchy, or leadership of antifa. Thats like suggesting that capitalists are an organisation. There are people who support it, and will come out to rally for its if they see an event organised on facebook, but theres no 'capitalist headquaters' or 'members of capitalism'. Similarly, there are no 'members' of anti-fascism. There are people who support it, just like how people support capitalism. Or fascism. You cannot call someone a member of a terrorist group if a) the supposed 'group' simply does not exist as an actual entity, and b) you cannot be a member.

Are Nazis terrorists? Many of you might say it depends on the context; are they staging violent protests or beating up Jewish people? Then yes, they are. Are they purchasing Mein Kampf and flying swatstika flags? Well, in that case, its a lot more ambiguous, in the sense that these acts may directly lead to terrorist violence (i.e. aggressive new recruits, or inspiration to commit hate crimes). The great thing about Anti-fascists is that its not ambiguous at all. If a person is an anti-fascist, they simply are trying to oppose anything that those hypothetical Nazis might do that would lead to terrorist activity.

Is an antifascist a terrorist? Many of you might say it depends on the context; you'd possibly be correct, but not in the way you'd think. If an anti-fascist is staging peaceful protest against far-right activity or policy, then no. It's when they get violent that the terrorist label comes on. Whilst there may be little dispute if hitting someone with a bike lock is a criminal act of assault, you have to take into account the context.

The definition of terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims". A Nazi thug at a far-right rally is not a civilian; they are a threat. I'm not even talking about the immediate threat they face; sure the Charlottesville rally saw an innocent girl die, but what I am talking about is their agenda. The agenda of an anti-fascist violent act and a Nazi violent act are fundamentally different. Whilst the anti-fascist commits an act of violence to suppress the expression of fascist agenda, the Nazi commits an act of violence as part of their fascist agenda. Fascism is an intrinsically violent ideologue; with fascism comes the assured deaths of millions of Jewish, black, middle eastern, and other non-white minorities. The fascist act of violence is not just to get them into power, it is what they will do once they are in power.

If a man is trying to bring about the deaths of millions of people, we call him a terrorist. If a man trying to bring about the deaths of millions of people is stopped, we see that as a success. That man trying to bring about the deaths of millions is a fascist, and regardless of whether they are clad in black, the person who stops him is an anti-fascist.In that context, the anti-fascist who stops that man, regardless of whether they use violence, is not a terrorist. They are not trying to push a 'political agenda' as according to the dictionary definition of terrorism. That is literally all anti-fascist stands for - opposing fascism. There is no hidden agenda or anything more complicated than that.

[Telconi]

It really is sad how this keeps happening. White Supremacy has no place anywhere. Racism is never ok either. It is also scary how Trump refuses to do anything about it and tweets white nationalist mantras like go back to your country. He is literally fueling these right wing groups.

Right wing groups are fueled by a right wing president. Much shock, many surprise...

[San Lumen]

It really is sad how this keeps happening. White Supremacy has no place anywhere. Racism is never ok either. It is also scary how Trump refuses to do anything about it and tweets white nationalist mantras like go back to your country. He is literally fueling these right wing groups.

Right wing groups are fueled by a right wing president. Much shock, many surprise...

And he could condemn them and you know be a real leader?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Right wing groups are fueled by a right wing president. Much shock, many surprise...

And he could condemn them and you know be a real leader?

Why would he? He has nothing to gain from doing that.

[Telconi]

Right wing groups are fueled by a right wing president. Much shock, many surprise...

And he could condemn them and you know be a real leader?

Sure, and Democrats could condemn plenty of groups they don't either. What of it?

[San Lumen]

And he could condemn them and you know be a real leader?

Why would he? He has nothing to gain from doing that.

He has plenty to gain but he only cares about his base and is turning off everyone else.

[Telconi]

And he could condemn them and you know be a real leader?

Why would he? He has nothing to gain from doing that.

If he says white supremacists are bad San Lumen will vote for him

[Paddy O Fernature]

Why would he? He has nothing to gain from doing that.

He has plenty to gain but he only cares about his base and is turning off everyone else.

Welcome to politics and politicians in general. You must be new here....

[Telconi]

Why would he? He has nothing to gain from doing that.

He has plenty to gain but he only cares about his base and is turning off everyone else.

So, he's a politician... You're just bringing these hot takes to the table back to back today.

[San Lumen]

He has plenty to gain but he only cares about his base and is turning off everyone else.

Welcome to politics and politicians in general. You must be new here....

his base is not enough to pull of another win

[Kaedijork]

It really is sad how this keeps happening. White Supremacy has no place anywhere. Racism is never ok either. It is also scary how Trump refuses to do anything about it and tweets white nationalist mantras like go back to your country. He is literally fueling these right wing groups.

Right wing groups are fueled by a right wing president. Much shock, many surprise...

Who literally ignores the actual terrorist organisations and claims that a blanket term for an ideological affiliation is a terrorist group. As if there is an actual Antifa Organisation, or you can 'join antifa'. I'll tell you what you can join - the Aryan Brotherhood, Proud Boys, and Patriot Prayer.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why would he? He has nothing to gain from doing that.

He has plenty to gain but he only cares about his base and is turning off everyone else.

What does he have to gain?

[Kaedijork]

Proud Boys would shoot me because I'm Mexican and pro-immigration to the core.

Exactly. An antifascist would hit the guy trying to kill you over the head before he could. That is not terrorism; thats saving a life by any means necessary,

[San Lumen]

He has plenty to gain but he only cares about his base and is turning off everyone else.

What does he have to gain?

Maybe not turning off key voting blocks

[Telconi]

Right wing groups are fueled by a right wing president. Much shock, many surprise...

Who literally ignores the actual terrorist organisations and claims that a blanket term for an ideological affiliation is a terrorist group. As if there is an actual Antifa Organisation, or you can 'join antifa'. I'll tell you what you can join - the Aryan Brotherhood, Proud Boys, and Patriot Prayer.

"White supremacism" is as much an organization as Antifa is.