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Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:31 pm**

Trollgaard wrote:And are the proud boys even far right? There pretty normal conservatives. Free speech, flags, and Christians for the most part.

FAR RIGHT OMG.

Get a grip.

Well they're racist, except they let all races in.

And they're Nazis, but they're also pro-Israel and have chapters in Israel.

But they definitely are transphobic. For now.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:31 pm**

Watched some videos on the rally today- its all antifa, AGAIN starting shit.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:32 pm**

Trollgaard wrote:Watched some videos on the rally today- its all antifa, AGAIN starting shit.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:33 pm**

Otira wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:Watched some videos on the rally today- its all antifa, AGAIN starting shit.

Timcast.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:36 pm**

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:And are the proud boys even far right? There pretty normal conservatives. Free speech, flags, and Christians for the most part.

FAR RIGHT OMG.

Get a grip.

https://itsgoingdown.org/proud-boy-leaders-tone-down-after-fbi/

So you link essentially a terrorist website.

Nice.

People on the right post stupid 'billy badass' shit, and so do people on the left. Big deal.

Don't link that bullshit website again.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:36 pm**

Trollgaard wrote:
Otira wrote:

Timcast.

https://twitter.com/Timcast?ref_src=tws ... r%5Eauthor ?

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:38 pm**

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:Watched some videos on the rally today- its all antifa, AGAIN starting shit.

False.

There's nothing in that article, though I do believe people on both sides would talk about how to get the other side arrested, beat up, etc.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:38 pm**

Saiwania wrote:
Pacomia wrote:And what exactly is wrong with more non-white people?

It is a fundamentally zero sum perspective on the world that I have. The math makes it clear to me anyways that a decline in one group necessitates another group's gain. I don't want my own to be declining more than it has to if I can help it. Drives me towards despair this does, at what I'm seeing in the world today.

This isn’t even a cold war mentality, this is what you’d see in cro-mag on politics.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:40 pm**

Nova Cyberia wrote:Don't we already have an Antifa thread?

Also Rose City Antifa should be declared a terrorist organization.

No they shouldn't. They're thugs, not terrorists. They haven't killed anyone.

White supremacy, on the other hand, was responsible for 50 deaths last year, according to the ADL. Every white supremacist group should be declared a domestic terror group.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:40 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:I love how almost none of the right-wingers on NS are of the basic bitch normie conservative George Bush/Mitt Romney variety.

Bush seems to have completely discredited that type of conservatism for ever in the eyes of Americans.

Unless you’re some kind of one percenter executive or politician type, Bush-style conservatism has little to offer you. And considering how small a fraction of the total population said people are, statistically we probably don’t have any of them here.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:42 pm**

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
There's nothing in that article, though I do believe people on both sides would talk about how to get the other side arrested, beat up, etc.

...Read the damn article.

Stop going BOTH SIDES, it makes you sound like a idiot.

The huffpost article you linked to later actually has some nice info.

And you are being foolish if you think antifa bros aren't doing the exact same shit. Being all billy badass online. You see pics and posts of left wing guys with guns and weapons all the time.

Both sides in this are ridiculous- political violence in the streets in unacceptable.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:44 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:I love how almost none of the right-wingers on NS are of the basic bitch normie conservative George Bush/Mitt Romney variety.

Bush seems to have completely discredited that type of conservatism for ever in the eyes of Americans.

Nah, it still has a bunch of followers with boomers and some gen x types. But younger right-wingers are disillusioned with "go to church at home and send thousands to die in oil wars overseas." What does it have to offer them?

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:45 pm**

Bassoe wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:I love how almost none of the right-wingers on NS are of the basic bitch normie conservative George Bush/Mitt Romney variety.

Bush seems to have completely discredited that type of conservatism for ever in the eyes of Americans.

Unless you’re some kind of one percenter executive or politician type, Bush-style conservatism has little to offer you. And considering how small a fraction of the total population said people are, statistically we probably don’t have any of them here.

I believe the saying is “temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:46 pm**

Fartsniffage wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Perhaps the immigrants will be less wasteful, but I doubt their Westernized kids and grandkids are going to be the same. No matter which way you cut it, you're still being inconsistent in terms of what you say you want.

And btw, most immigrants who come here are not at risk of dying. They're just poor. Most immigrants aren't refugees. Stop with the fallacious moral dilema.

Poverty doesn't increase the risk of death?

It does not automatically mean you're at serious risk of dying.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:47 pm**

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
The huffpost article you linked to later actually has some nice info.

And you are being foolish if you think antifa bros aren't doing the exact same shit. Being all billy badass online. You see pics and posts of left wing guys with guns and weapons all the time.

Both sides in this are ridiculous- political violence in the streets in unacceptable.

Oh ok thought that was the huffpo article.

And by the both sides comment I meant to say republicans use it to not disempower white supremacists who feel emboldened due to trump.

Like how Democrats disempower socialists? Neither side works to distance their own side's extremists, because at the end of the day those are votes.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:01 pm**

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Like how Democrats disempower socialists? Neither side works to distance their own side's extremists, because at the end of the day those are votes.

Socialists aren't violent like white supremacists. Those days are gone the majority are peaceful, and not murdering based on skin color.
White Supremacists however....

One could also make a rather solid argument that the vast majority of white supremacists are peaceful and not murdering people.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:02 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Socialists aren't violent like white supremacists. Those days are gone the majority are peaceful, and not murdering based on skin color.
White Supremacists however....

One could also make a rather solid argument that the vast majority of white supremacists are peaceful and not murdering people.

and what would that argument be?

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:05 pm**

Crysuko wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
One could also make a rather solid argument that the vast majority of white supremacists are peaceful and not murdering people.

and what would that argument be?

That most white supremacists simply express their ideas in demonstrations or online forums, and those who commit outright attacks or murder like the guy in Charlottesville are the minority in the movement

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:08 pm**

Crysuko wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
One could also make a rather solid argument that the vast majority of white supremacists are peaceful and not murdering people.

and what would that argument be?

That statistically the vast majority of them don't murder people otherwise we'd have millions of murders a year.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:12 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Crysuko wrote:and what would that argument be?

That statistically the vast majority of them don't murder people otherwise we'd have millions of murders a year.

care to cite that statistic?

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:19 pm**

Crysuko wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That statistically the vast majority of them don't murder people otherwise we'd have millions of murders a year.

care to cite that statistic?

Well given the alt-right are probs about 10% of the population that works out to some 33,000,000 people if I'm not mistaken and we had something like 15,000 murders last year so the numbers just don't support the idea that they're all a mob killing any darkies within reach.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:20 pm**

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Like how Democrats disempower socialists? Neither side works to distance their own side's extremists, because at the end of the day those are votes.

Socialists aren't violent like white supremacists. Those days are gone the majority are peaceful, and not murdering based on skin color.
White Supremacists however....

Radically extreme leftists aren't radically extreme rightists and therefore they're fine.

Anyone remember when Lotharia was le reasonable centrist who sees the wrongs from both sides? ... ... ... Yeah, me neither.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:30 pm**

The proud boys are violent punks, but I wouldn't say they're racist. They do have minority members

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:35 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Socialists aren't violent like white supremacists. Those days are gone the majority are peaceful, and not murdering based on skin color.
White Supremacists however....

One could also make a rather solid argument that the vast majority of white supremacists are peaceful and not murdering people.

And one could make an additional argument that Socialists aren't violent because they aren't working the levers of government. History supports this argument given the extreme levels of violence from Socialists when in power and their relative docility otherwise.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:38 pm**

Socialists aren't violent like white supremacists. Those days are gone the majority are peaceful, and not murdering based on skin color.
White Supremacists however....

You know what, I am not endorsing white supremacists in any way (it's hard for me to talk about politics of a country that's 7000 kilometers away) but I remember how Antifa started a massive riot during the 2011 independence march, including bringing violent militant leftists from Germany especially to organize a riot, and targeted... a reenactment group of all the parties. I remember how, during the recent G8 summit in Germany, ANTIFA made the entire city look like after an allied bombing during world war two. That aside from recent militant activities of ANTIFA in US, because the US ANTIFA fashion is considerably recent comparing to what ANTIFA had been doing in Europe for decades before... And that skips a long history of far-left terror movements like RAF or the Red Brigades, which dominated the world of terrorism before the emergence of the modern Islamist movements.

I would also like to remind you that ANTIFA is a brand, not name of an unified group with a specified structure. This shows just sheer range of the phenomenon of violent far left that very often can't distinguish between a nazi and a normal right wing conservative, and attacks everyone it dislikes indiscriminately.

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