Fascist White Supremacist Rally in Portland Thwarted

[Crysuko]

were to I answer that question i'd get slapped for advocating harm

I think that tells us all about how seriously we should take your answer, yes?

there is an answer, i'm just not permitted to say it.

[Purgatio]

Right, have we been shown evidence of the rock throwing, or are we just supposed to listen and believe that it totally happened?

There's a video posted in the same convo between RespectableLaw and Andy Ngo that shows exactly what happened

[Necroghastia]

I don't give a flying fuck what he says. You are also claiming the rock throwing was unprovoked. I have explained to you, numerous times, using your own goddamn example, why it wasn't.

A bus comes, with some open windows and people in it that ANTIFA doesn't like. ANTIFA throws rocks at said bus aiming for the open window, so that the people inside would be injured.

Where's the provocation?

If I walk up to you in a Starbucks and threaten to punch you in the face unless you leave, are you under an obligation to leave? Just because I'm threatening you with violence? Of course not, I'm the one in the wrong and you have a lawful right to remain in the Starbucks and defend yourself, with violence, rather than be forced to submit to my unlawful threat.

Ah, so you agree that the white supremacists are the ones in the wrong here and any violence by antifa would have been justified.

[Purgatio]

I think that tells us all about how seriously we should take your answer, yes?

there is an answer, i'm just not permitted to say it.

We all know what the answer is, you think a person's political views entitles you to physically-attack and injure them. That's why you're not permitted to say it. For good reason.

[Telconi]

A bus comes, with some open windows and people in it that ANTIFA doesn't like. ANTIFA throws rocks at said bus aiming for the open window, so that the people inside would be injured.

Where's the provocation?

Ah, so you agree that the white supremacists are the ones in the wrong here and any violence by antifa would have been justified.

Your post is provocation?

[Ifreann]

So what actually happened then?

I already explained like ten times. The activists on the bus were attacked, unprovoked, by ANTIFA vandals tossing rocks at them without first provocation, the activists disembarked and, fearing a continuing attack from the ANTIFA vandals, swung their hammers in the air to protect their bodily integrity, and passers-by were accidentally struck, the fault for that lies on the persons who made the unprovoked attack in the first place, ANTIFA.

Hence, Andy Ngo did not lie when he characterised the activists on the bus as acting in legitimate self-defence, and ANTIFA as the unprovoked aggressors.

This is the biggest crock of shit I've seen since Andy Ngo's tweets themselves.

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That's Portland for you.
At least the Mayor didn't fuck up and make things get worse than "concerning, if you're in the immediate area".

There is nothing objective about your judgement here.

He says, right before making an even more subjective judgement,

Andy Ngo clearly is a snivelling little worm to anyone familiar with his work,

There it is!

and Respectable Lawyer is...well, I have no idea, but they don't seem to be a snivelling little worm.

I dunno, anyone pretentious enough to call themselves "respectable" who then turns around and flings childish insults when called out on their BS is definitely a tier worse than a "sniveling little worm".
Probably not even in law school either smh

I'm not claiming to be objective. If you want someone to tell you that their opinions are actually facts, try Ben Shapiro. I hear that's his thing.

[Purgatio]

A bus comes, with some open windows and people in it that ANTIFA doesn't like. ANTIFA throws rocks at said bus aiming for the open window, so that the people inside would be injured.

Where's the provocation?

Ah, so you agree that the white supremacists are the ones in the wrong here and any violence by antifa would have been justified.

Your second post has no relevance to the point its responding to.

[Purgatio]

I already explained like ten times. The activists on the bus were attacked, unprovoked, by ANTIFA vandals tossing rocks at them without first provocation, the activists disembarked and, fearing a continuing attack from the ANTIFA vandals, swung their hammers in the air to protect their bodily integrity, and passers-by were accidentally struck, the fault for that lies on the persons who made the unprovoked attack in the first place, ANTIFA.

Hence, Andy Ngo did not lie when he characterised the activists on the bus as acting in legitimate self-defence, and ANTIFA as the unprovoked aggressors.

This is the biggest crock of shit I've seen since Andy Ngo's tweets themselves.

Hey, that's funny, I'm not reading an actual argument in there.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Sauce

A rally of far-right groups was met by a large counterdemonstration in Portland, Oregon, on Saturday.

Fears that the showdown would turn violent prompted some downtown businesses to close and led to a massive police presence. At least 13 people were arrested, according to Lt. Tina Jones of the Portland Police Bureau.

Six people, including one who was hospitalized, reported minor injuries during the day, police Chief Danielle Outlaw said at news conference.

There were also six "use-of-force" events by officers, she said, mostly involving "take-downs" of suspects, and no one was injured.

The dueling demonstrations garnered national attention, including from President Donald Trump, who tweeted earlier Saturday in reference to self-described anti-fascists, some of whom are known collectively as antifa, “Major consideration is being given to naming ANTIFA an “ORGANIZATION OF TERROR.” Portland is being watched very closely. Hopefully the Mayor will be able to properly do his job!”

Portland police tweeted about 30 minutes after the protests started at 11 a.m. that officers were there to protect people's right to speak freely.

“PPB and our partners are here to protect everyone's safety while facilitating everyone's 1st Amendment right to gather and speak. It is the foundation of our democracy and critical to Portland's identity,” police tweeted.

Officers worked to keep the opposing groups apart and nearly an hour after the demonstrations began police said they had seized weapons from participants including bear spray, shields, and poles.

This is sickening, that Trump didn't comment on the White Supremacists he emboldened as they are big fans of him but instead focused on Antifa, shows who he cares about, the piece of shit he is. He needs to be impeached for the bloodshed he threatened to spill in my city.
Since when is racism populism?

These "protesters" are just white-supremacist terrorists, though legally gangs, and should be treated as such. I am sick of this violent behavior, as a city council candidate I am in increased danger purely for my skin color. This is not ok! This is not normal!
We should be able to live in our state, city, and country without fear of murder due to our skin color not being the dominant one!

We need a new, civic, activist populism. We need a populism of compassion, and tolerance. I not only ask NSG to comment, but to create a thread somewhere for a new, NS-originated group dedicated to stopping this madness(The thread is not going to be the main means, it's just a way to get ns'ers together without creating a discord server which would be a mess).
I am done watching, and I'm doing my part to fight.

But it's time for all of us now to fight, across the country.

Together.

Wow you're a little socialist are you? Aww so cute

Lotharia's not a socialist, LOL. At best, they are a centre-left social democrat, which has nothing to do with socialism.

[Ifreann]

This is the biggest crock of shit I've seen since Andy Ngo's tweets themselves.

Hey, that's funny, I'm not reading an actual argument in there.

Hey, that's funny, I didn't see one in your post of lies. You're blatantly just making shit up to defend fascists. And it is just plain stupid shit. Like fuck did that guy accidentally hit people with his hammer try to defend the bus. That's completely fucking absurd.

[Proctopeo]

I'm not claiming to be objective.

You were definitely acting like they were lmao.

If you want someone to tell you that their opinions are actually facts, try Ben Shapiro. I hear that's his thing.

Tbf he does make more engaging and well-researched arguments than the whole of NSG

[Ifreann]

I'm not claiming to be objective.

You were definitely acting like they were lmao.

If you want someone to tell you that their opinions are actually facts, try Ben Shapiro. I hear that's his thing.

Tbf he does make more engaging and well-researched arguments than the whole of NSG

Lol.

[Proctopeo]

You were definitely acting like they were lmao.


Tbf he does make more engaging and well-researched arguments than the whole of NSG

Lol.

You know I'm right.

[Ifreann]

Lol.

You know I'm right.

I know you're not, and I know you know you're not. No one really believes that Ben "Sell your house to Aquaman" Shapiro knows anything about anything.

[Telconi]

You know I'm right.

I know you're not, and I know you know you're not. No one really believes that Ben "Sell your house to Aquaman" Shapiro knows anything about anything.

Tbf, being more reasonable than NSG on the whole doesn't require him to.

[Purgatio]

Hey, that's funny, I'm not reading an actual argument in there.

Hey, that's funny, I didn't see one in your post of lies. You're blatantly just making shit up to defend fascists. And it is just plain stupid shit. Like fuck did that guy accidentally hit people with his hammer try to defend the bus. That's completely fucking absurd.

The only shred of evidence that anyone here has given to suggest Andy Ngo lied or deceived people was citing a Twitter conversation (which is pretty bad 'evidence' all things considered) from an immature child who tells people to suck his balls when they point out he's wrong about something. That's the only piece of evidence to support your assertion that Andy Ngo is a liar. You know what's absurd? Going on about how other people are liars when no one on your side seems willing to back up their assertion that Andy Ngo lied about Portland and provide better evidence than the Twitter rantings of an immature lunatic.

[Takso]

The people going out to this rally were looking to cause trouble, both Leftists and the right-wing.

[Jakker]

I read your description and I cannot take you seriously.

https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/lati ... 0e6d706b83

I will post this here, but I would rather not have to hear anything someone like you has to say.

Unofficial warning for Flamebaiting

[Ifreann]

Hey, that's funny, I didn't see one in your post of lies. You're blatantly just making shit up to defend fascists. And it is just plain stupid shit. Like fuck did that guy accidentally hit people with his hammer try to defend the bus. That's completely fucking absurd.

The only shred of evidence that anyone here has given to suggest Andy Ngo lied or deceived people was

Watching with our eyes.

[Proctopeo]

The only shred of evidence that anyone here has given to suggest Andy Ngo lied or deceived people was

Watching with our eyes.

You and I both know that doesn't count worth even a tenth of a damn.

[Kowani]

The only shred of evidence that anyone here has given to suggest Andy Ngo lied or deceived people was

Watching with our eyes.

Rekt.

[Purgatio]

Watching with our eyes.

Rekt.

The video literally doesn't support RespectableLaw's twisted version of events where throwing rocks at a bus somehow isn't unprovoked assault.

'Rekt' is not an argument. I suggest you actually watch the video that you think supports your side of the argument, because it really doesn't. My only conclusion is that you and the others on your side haven't bothered to go watch the video in the first place.

[Kowani]

Rekt.

The video literally doesn't support RespectableLaw's twisted version of events where throwing rocks at a bus somehow isn't unprovoked assault.

'Rekt' is not an argument. I suggest you actually watch the video that you think supports your side of the argument, because it really doesn't. My only conclusion is that you and the others on your side haven't bothered to go watch the video in the first place.

It wasn’t an argument because it wasn’t intended to be.

[Ifreann]

Rekt.

The video literally doesn't support...

The video does not support your insane proposal that innocent fascists are just trying to use their claw hammers to bat projectiles out of the air in self defence and accidentally swung those hammers at people who were not attacking them.

[Kubra]

Also just gonna put it out there anyone who figures they can knock rocks out of the air with a hammer, well uh they ought to try manual labour sometime