Fascist White Supremacist Rally in Portland Thwarted

[Telconi]

>People shouldn't go where they're not wanted.

I'm sorry, is this not America?

Yes, it's America, but go spoiling for a fight and you WILL find it.
And it "being America" does not mean saddling up with hundreds of people from outside an area to go to an area to start shit.

Did they forget their internal travel passes? Was Portland closed to non residents by order of the Politburo?

[Proctopeo]

That's Portland for you.
At least the Mayor didn't fuck up and make things get worse than "concerning, if you're in the immediate area".

I was making a point about how the two men debate with each other. Andy Ngo addressed the factual assertions and substantive criticism of Respectable Law by making a counter-argument, whereas Respectable Law resorted to gutter and uncivil attacks on Ngo as a "snivelling little worm". Objectively, one person comes off better than the other, just as a human being.

There is nothing objective about your judgement here.

He says, right before making an even more subjective judgement,

Andy Ngo clearly is a snivelling little worm to anyone familiar with his work,

There it is!

and Respectable Lawyer is...well, I have no idea, but they don't seem to be a snivelling little worm.

I dunno, anyone pretentious enough to call themselves "respectable" who then turns around and flings childish insults when called out on their BS is definitely a tier worse than a "sniveling little worm".
Probably not even in law school either smh

[Fiwchuk]

Sauce

A rally of far-right groups was met by a large counterdemonstration in Portland, Oregon, on Saturday.

Fears that the showdown would turn violent prompted some downtown businesses to close and led to a massive police presence. At least 13 people were arrested, according to Lt. Tina Jones of the Portland Police Bureau.

Six people, including one who was hospitalized, reported minor injuries during the day, police Chief Danielle Outlaw said at news conference.

There were also six "use-of-force" events by officers, she said, mostly involving "take-downs" of suspects, and no one was injured.

The dueling demonstrations garnered national attention, including from President Donald Trump, who tweeted earlier Saturday in reference to self-described anti-fascists, some of whom are known collectively as antifa, “Major consideration is being given to naming ANTIFA an “ORGANIZATION OF TERROR.” Portland is being watched very closely. Hopefully the Mayor will be able to properly do his job!”

Portland police tweeted about 30 minutes after the protests started at 11 a.m. that officers were there to protect people's right to speak freely.

“PPB and our partners are here to protect everyone's safety while facilitating everyone's 1st Amendment right to gather and speak. It is the foundation of our democracy and critical to Portland's identity,” police tweeted.

Officers worked to keep the opposing groups apart and nearly an hour after the demonstrations began police said they had seized weapons from participants including bear spray, shields, and poles.

This is sickening, that Trump didn't comment on the White Supremacists he emboldened as they are big fans of him but instead focused on Antifa, shows who he cares about, the piece of shit he is. He needs to be impeached for the bloodshed he threatened to spill in my city.
Since when is racism populism?

These "protesters" are just white-supremacist terrorists, though legally gangs, and should be treated as such. I am sick of this violent behavior, as a city council candidate I am in increased danger purely for my skin color. This is not ok! This is not normal!
We should be able to live in our state, city, and country without fear of murder due to our skin color not being the dominant one!

We need a new, civic, activist populism. We need a populism of compassion, and tolerance. I not only ask NSG to comment, but to create a thread somewhere for a new, NS-originated group dedicated to stopping this madness(The thread is not going to be the main means, it's just a way to get ns'ers together without creating a discord server which would be a mess).
I am done watching, and I'm doing my part to fight.

But it's time for all of us now to fight, across the country.

Together.

Wow you're a little socialist are you? Aww so cute

[Purgatio]

That's Portland for you.
At least the Mayor didn't fuck up and make things get worse than "concerning, if you're in the immediate area".

There is nothing objective about your judgement here.

He says, right before making an even more subjective judgement,

Andy Ngo clearly is a snivelling little worm to anyone familiar with his work,

There it is!

and Respectable Lawyer is...well, I have no idea, but they don't seem to be a snivelling little worm.

I dunno, anyone pretentious enough to call themselves "respectable" who then turns around and flings childish insults when called out on their BS is definitely a tier worse than a "sniveling little worm".
Probably not even in law school either smh

100% agreed, that's why I don't get why ANTIFA defenders or Andy Ngo detractors keep sending that link of RespectableLaw on Twitter as if it somehow destroys Andy Ngo, if anything it just makes RespectableLaw look like an asshole. He gets called out for misrepresenting and lying about what happened in Portland, and RespectableLaw's response is to call Ngo a "snivelling little worm", and when another Twitter user calls him out for that, he says he's a "dumb goon and you can fondle my balls"

I highly doubt any of the people who posted the link to RespectableLaw's Twitter conversation took the time to actually read what the guy wrote, because he comes across like a bloody child who can't make a coherent argument.

[Crysuko]

Yes, it's America, but go spoiling for a fight and you WILL find it.
And it "being America" does not mean saddling up with hundreds of people from outside an area to go to an area to start shit.

Did they forget their internal travel passes? Was Portland closed to non residents by order of the Politburo?

they went to Portland expecting to raise hell, and that's exactly what they got. real monkey's paw situation.

[Proctopeo]

>People shouldn't go where they're not wanted.

I'm sorry, is this not America?

Yes, it's America, but go spoiling for a fight and you WILL find it.
And it "being America" does not mean saddling up with hundreds of people from outside an area to go to an area to start shit.

C'mon they're just going on a pilgrimage to count the coffee shops in Portland, don't be mean

[Necroghastia]

So what actually happened then?

I already explained like ten times. The activists on the bus were attacked, unprovoked, by ANTIFA vandals tossing rocks at them without first provocation, the activists disembarked and, fearing a continuing attack from the ANTIFA vandals, swung their hammers in the air to protect their bodily integrity, and passers-by were accidentally struck, the fault for that lies on the persons who made the unprovoked attack in the first place, ANTIFA.

Hence, Andy Ngo did not lie when he characterised the activists on the bus as acting in legitimate self-defence, and ANTIFA as the unprovoked aggressors.

"unprovoked"
"fearing"
Stop fucking lying.

[Purgatio]

I already explained like ten times. The activists on the bus were attacked, unprovoked, by ANTIFA vandals tossing rocks at them without first provocation, the activists disembarked and, fearing a continuing attack from the ANTIFA vandals, swung their hammers in the air to protect their bodily integrity, and passers-by were accidentally struck, the fault for that lies on the persons who made the unprovoked attack in the first place, ANTIFA.

Hence, Andy Ngo did not lie when he characterised the activists on the bus as acting in legitimate self-defence, and ANTIFA as the unprovoked aggressors.

"unprovoked"
"fearing"
Stop fucking lying.

Where's the lie? You throw rocks at someone without provocation, that's an unprovoked attack.

Here's a tip - when you say "stop fucking lying", try to accompany that with the proof that said person is lying. Because as it stands, you're proving nothing.

[Necroghastia]

"unprovoked"
"fearing"
Stop fucking lying.

Where's the lie? You throw rocks at someone without provocation, that's an unprovoked attack.

Here's a tip - when you say "stop fucking lying", try to accompany that with the proof that said person is lying. Because as it stands, you're proving nothing.

I already explained using your own example. Several times.

[Purgatio]

Where's the lie? You throw rocks at someone without provocation, that's an unprovoked attack.

Here's a tip - when you say "stop fucking lying", try to accompany that with the proof that said person is lying. Because as it stands, you're proving nothing.

I already explained using your own example. Several times.

You've asserted that Andy Ngo is lying but I've already explained how he isn't and why, when someone is throwing rocks at you without you doing anything to them, that's an unprovoked assault on you.

[Necroghastia]

I already explained using your own example. Several times.

You've asserted that Andy Ngo is lying but I've already explained how he isn't and why, when someone is throwing rocks at you without you doing anything to them, that's an unprovoked assault on you.

I haven't mentioned that "journalist" once in all my posts. Try actually reading what I write for once.

[Vassenor]

"unprovoked"
"fearing"
Stop fucking lying.

Where's the lie? You throw rocks at someone without provocation, that's an unprovoked attack.

Here's a tip - when you say "stop fucking lying", try to accompany that with the proof that said person is lying. Because as it stands, you're proving nothing.

You try and hit someone standing by your battle bus with a hammer without provocation, that's an unprovoked attack.

[Purgatio]

You've asserted that Andy Ngo is lying but I've already explained how he isn't and why, when someone is throwing rocks at you without you doing anything to them, that's an unprovoked assault on you.

I haven't mentioned that "journalist" once in all my posts. Try actually reading what I write for once.

You claimed I was "lying" for saying Andy Ngo was telling the truth about what happened during the 'bus incident'. If you've never even mentioned him in any of your posts, then that just validates my point that you claimed I was "lying" without bothering to explain why (since logically, in order to prove I'm lying by claiming Andy Ngo was telling the truth, you'd actually have to engage with what he said, basic syllogism).

Essentially, by saying you never mentioned Andy Ngo once in all your posts, you're finally admitting you unilaterally-asserted I lied without proof. Thanks for the admission.

[Vassenor]

I haven't mentioned that "journalist" once in all my posts. Try actually reading what I write for once.

You claimed I was "lying" for saying Andy Ngo was telling the truth about what happened during the 'bus incident'. If you've never even mentioned him in any of your posts, then that just validates my point that you claimed I was "lying" without bothering to explain why (since logically, in order to prove I'm lying by claiming Andy Ngo was telling the truth, you'd actually have to engage with what he said, basic syllogism).

Essentially, by saying you never mentioned Andy Ngo once in all your posts, you're finally admitting you unilaterally-asserted I lied without proof. Thanks for the admission.

Did you ever actually explain what really happened in the bus incident? Because Ngo conveniently omitted the bit where the neo-nazi was swinging the hammer before he was relieved of it.

[Purgatio]

Where's the lie? You throw rocks at someone without provocation, that's an unprovoked attack.

Here's a tip - when you say "stop fucking lying", try to accompany that with the proof that said person is lying. Because as it stands, you're proving nothing.

You try and hit someone standing by your battle bus with a hammer without provocation, that's an unprovoked attack.

I feel like a broken record having to explain how the law works over and over again, but if you randomly hit people near your bus for no reason, that's an unprovoked attack. However, if you're trying to defend yourself from an unprovoked aggressor throwing rocks at you, and in the course of you acting in self-defense you accidentally hit bystanders, that's self-defense.

Someone, anyone, who wants to make this point in future, please read the famous 'human shield' English case of R v. Paggett before posting legally-misinformed comments about what is or isn't self-defense.

[Vassenor]

You try and hit someone standing by your battle bus with a hammer without provocation, that's an unprovoked attack.

I feel like a broken record having to explain how the law works over and over again, but if you randomly hit people near your bus for no reason, that's an unprovoked attack. However, if you're trying to defend yourself from an unprovoked aggressor throwing rocks at you, and in the course of you acting in self-defense you accidentally hit bystanders, that's self-defense.

Someone, anyone, who wants to make this point in future, please read the famous 'human shield' English case of R v. Paggett before posting legally-misinformed comments about what is or isn't self-defense.

If that's what really happened, why did Ngo need to omit the neo-nazi swinging the hammer if he was perfectly justified in doing so?

[Purgatio]

You claimed I was "lying" for saying Andy Ngo was telling the truth about what happened during the 'bus incident'. If you've never even mentioned him in any of your posts, then that just validates my point that you claimed I was "lying" without bothering to explain why (since logically, in order to prove I'm lying by claiming Andy Ngo was telling the truth, you'd actually have to engage with what he said, basic syllogism).

Essentially, by saying you never mentioned Andy Ngo once in all your posts, you're finally admitting you unilaterally-asserted I lied without proof. Thanks for the admission.

Did you ever actually explain what really happened in the bus incident? Because Ngo conveniently omitted the bit where the neo-nazi was swinging the hammer before he was relieved of it.

I already explained. Many times. If people aren't bothered to read that's not my problem. But again, for everyone's benefit:

ANTIFA thugs threw rocks at the bus in Portland. The people on the bus disembarked and, fearing more attacks because rocks were being continuously thrown in their direction, swung their hammers and in the heat of the moment accidentally struck bystanders who were next to the bus blocking the way.

Andy Ngo posted a comment that people on the bus were attacked unprovoked by ANTIFA. RespectableLaw comes along claiming that's not true. Andy Ngo explains why its true. RespectableLaw responds like a child calling him a "snivelling little worm". Someone else comes to Ngo's defense and calmly explains, factually, why RespectableLaw is wrong. RespectableLaw again throws a tantrum saying said person's a "dumb goon and you can fondle my balls".

Torrocca and others quote RespectableLaw's Twitter thread as 'debunking' Andy Ngo, clearly not having read the conversation and reading firsthand what a lying child RespectableLaw is being about the situation.

[Purgatio]

I feel like a broken record having to explain how the law works over and over again, but if you randomly hit people near your bus for no reason, that's an unprovoked attack. However, if you're trying to defend yourself from an unprovoked aggressor throwing rocks at you, and in the course of you acting in self-defense you accidentally hit bystanders, that's self-defense.

Someone, anyone, who wants to make this point in future, please read the famous 'human shield' English case of R v. Paggett before posting legally-misinformed comments about what is or isn't self-defense.

If that's what really happened, why did Ngo need to omit the neo-nazi swinging the hammer if he was perfectly justified in doing so?

All he said was that the people on the bus suffered injuries from an unprovoked attack, which wasn't wrong. Whatever happened after the rocks were thrown at the bus is the direct consequence flowing from ANTIFA's initial unprovoked aggression.

[Crysuko]

If that's what really happened, why did Ngo need to omit the neo-nazi swinging the hammer if he was perfectly justified in doing so?

All he said was that the people on the bus suffered injuries from an unprovoked attack, which wasn't wrong. Whatever happened after the rocks were thrown at the bus is the direct consequence flowing from ANTIFA's initial unprovoked aggression.

Ngo and his merry band of halfwits were themselves the provocation

[Necroghastia]

I haven't mentioned that "journalist" once in all my posts. Try actually reading what I write for once.

You claimed I was "lying" for saying Andy Ngo was telling the truth about what happened during the 'bus incident'. If you've never even mentioned him in any of your posts, then that just validates my point that you claimed I was "lying" without bothering to explain why (since logically, in order to prove I'm lying by claiming Andy Ngo was telling the truth, you'd actually have to engage with what he said, basic syllogism).

Essentially, by saying you never mentioned Andy Ngo once in all your posts, you're finally admitting you unilaterally-asserted I lied without proof. Thanks for the admission.

I don't give a flying fuck what he says. You are also claiming the rock throwing was unprovoked. I have explained to you, numerous times, using your own goddamn example, why it wasn't.

[Purgatio]

All he said was that the people on the bus suffered injuries from an unprovoked attack, which wasn't wrong. Whatever happened after the rocks were thrown at the bus is the direct consequence flowing from ANTIFA's initial unprovoked aggression.

Ngo and his merry band of halfwits were themselves the provocation

Explain to me, in your own words, what Ngo did which was a provocation to violence? Understanding that in the eyes of the law, the only thing which can provoke justifiable self-defense is imminent injury to person or property. Did Ngo do anything of the sort? Who did he injure, what property did he damage?

[Purgatio]

You claimed I was "lying" for saying Andy Ngo was telling the truth about what happened during the 'bus incident'. If you've never even mentioned him in any of your posts, then that just validates my point that you claimed I was "lying" without bothering to explain why (since logically, in order to prove I'm lying by claiming Andy Ngo was telling the truth, you'd actually have to engage with what he said, basic syllogism).

Essentially, by saying you never mentioned Andy Ngo once in all your posts, you're finally admitting you unilaterally-asserted I lied without proof. Thanks for the admission.

I don't give a flying fuck what he says. You are also claiming the rock throwing was unprovoked. I have explained to you, numerous times, using your own goddamn example, why it wasn't.

A bus comes, with some open windows and people in it that ANTIFA doesn't like. ANTIFA throws rocks at said bus aiming for the open window, so that the people inside would be injured.

Where's the provocation?

[Crysuko]

Ngo and his merry band of halfwits were themselves the provocation

Explain to me, in your own words, what Ngo did which was a provocation to violence? Understanding that in the eyes of the law, the only thing which can provoke justifiable self-defense is imminent injury to person or property. Did Ngo do anything of the sort? Who did he injure, what property did he damage?

were to I answer that question i'd get slapped for advocating harm

[Purgatio]

Explain to me, in your own words, what Ngo did which was a provocation to violence? Understanding that in the eyes of the law, the only thing which can provoke justifiable self-defense is imminent injury to person or property. Did Ngo do anything of the sort? Who did he injure, what property did he damage?

were to I answer that question i'd get slapped for advocating harm

I think that tells us all about how seriously we should take your answer, yes?

[Vassenor]

Right, have we been shown evidence of the rock throwing, or are we just supposed to listen and believe that it totally happened?