Fascist White Supremacist Rally in Portland Thwarted

[Washington Resistance Army]

No, you peacefully bait them into violence until they are arrested.

No you point out how racist, evil, and violent their views are and show how mentally insane or deranged they act.

Declaring that someone surely must be insane or messed up in the head is one of the most idiotic things anti-fascists have ever done, stop doing it. For the most part everyone who currently does and historically did hold those views was perfectly sane.

[The South Falls]

No, you peacefully bait them into violence until they are arrested.

How's that been working out?

Oh look, fascism is more relevant now than at any point since the '40's.

Admittedly, antifa has been around for at least 10 years or so, admittedly that hasn't worked either.

[The Greater Union of Man]

Sauce

A rally of far-right groups was met by a large counterdemonstration in Portland, Oregon, on Saturday.

Fears that the showdown would turn violent prompted some downtown businesses to close and led to a massive police presence. At least 13 people were arrested, according to Lt. Tina Jones of the Portland Police Bureau.

Six people, including one who was hospitalized, reported minor injuries during the day, police Chief Danielle Outlaw said at news conference.

There were also six "use-of-force" events by officers, she said, mostly involving "take-downs" of suspects, and no one was injured.

The dueling demonstrations garnered national attention, including from President Donald Trump, who tweeted earlier Saturday in reference to self-described anti-fascists, some of whom are known collectively as antifa, “Major consideration is being given to naming ANTIFA an “ORGANIZATION OF TERROR.” Portland is being watched very closely. Hopefully the Mayor will be able to properly do his job!”

Portland police tweeted about 30 minutes after the protests started at 11 a.m. that officers were there to protect people's right to speak freely.

“PPB and our partners are here to protect everyone's safety while facilitating everyone's 1st Amendment right to gather and speak. It is the foundation of our democracy and critical to Portland's identity,” police tweeted.

Officers worked to keep the opposing groups apart and nearly an hour after the demonstrations began police said they had seized weapons from participants including bear spray, shields, and poles.

This is sickening, that Trump didn't comment on the White Supremacists he emboldened as they are big fans of him but instead focused on Antifa, shows who he cares about, the piece of shit he is. He needs to be impeached for the bloodshed he threatened to spill in my city.
Since when is racism populism?

These "protesters" are just white-supremacist terrorists, though legally gangs, and should be treated as such. I am sick of this violent behavior, as a city council candidate I am in increased danger purely for my skin color. This is not ok! This is not normal!
We should be able to live in our state, city, and country without fear of murder due to our skin color not being the dominant one!

We need a new, civic, activist populism. We need a populism of compassion, and tolerance. I not only ask NSG to comment, but to create a thread somewhere for a new, NS-originated group dedicated to stopping this madness(The thread is not going to be the main means, it's just a way to get ns'ers together without creating a discord server which would be a mess).
I am done watching, and I'm doing my part to fight.

But it's time for all of us now to fight, across the country.

Together.

I hate to break it to you, but Antifa ARE domestic terrorists. If you use violence to achieve political means, YOU ARE A TERRORIST. That is the most concise way I can put it

[Bear Stearns]

Yes, I would. Like I said, you don't defeat an ideology with violence. You use dialogue and ideas.

I really don't care what ideology you practice. Liberal, communist, fascist, if you practice violence, you're all the same to me:

Someone who belongs in jail.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” - Jean Paul Sartre.
And by your misguided logic, anyone who has ever fought in World War 2 against Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain, or Militarist Japan should be imprisoned or hung.

If we can logically conclude that certain ideologies are inherently violent and that supporting those ideologies is an act of violence (even if the person espousing them is acting otherwise peaceably), then surely you would apply this logic to communists or Muslims, right?

[The South Falls]

No you point out how racist, evil, and violent their views are and show how mentally insane or deranged they act.

Declaring that someone surely must be insane or messed up in the head is one of the most idiotic things anti-fascists have ever done, stop doing it. For the most part everyone who currently does and historically did hold those views was perfectly sane.

This I can agree with you. People who hold those views so vehemently are sane

[Kowani]

“Kill then all, for God knows which ones are his.”

Yeah, nobody heard from that particular brand of Christianity again.

Militant Christianity was defeated in the West not because we killed all the Christians, but because evolutions in logic and reason revealed those views to be wrong.

Less that and more people got tired of violence. And wars are expensive.

[Washington Resistance Army]

How's that been working out?

Oh look, fascism is more relevant now than at any point since the '40's.

Admittedly, antifa has been around for at least 10 years or so, admittedly that hasn't worked either.

Because they don't employ the right sort of violence at the right levels.

[Cekoviu]

At least nobody died like with Charlottesville? That's the only positive thing about this for anyone - nobody won.

[The South Falls]

Admittedly, antifa has been around for at least 10 years or so, admittedly that hasn't worked either.

Because they don't employ the right sort of violence at the right levels.

What sort of violence? And anyway, dispossessing fascists of an online voice is an effective tactic.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

“Kill then all, for God knows which ones are his.”

Yeah, nobody heard from that particular brand of Christianity again.

Militant Christianity was defeated in the West not because we killed all the Christians, but because evolutions in logic and reason revealed those views to be wrong.

The problem is that no matter how much evidence, studies, scholarly articles and sources you throw at fascists and wingnuts (A word describing those who hold irrational and extremist political views, especially those on the right), they will simply refuse to accept that their entire worldview is wrong, and more often than not, they will double down on their already debunked talking points and will continue on their path towards radicalization. Hell, people like Alex Jones, Andrew Anglin, Pat Buchanan, Pat Robetson, David Duke, Renaud Camus, David Icke or Bryan Fischer are still rambling about stuff like homosatanism, the great replacement, "lizard annunaki", or a International Jewish Conspiracy years after they were thoroughly debunked by practically every reputable figure in America.

Trying to reason with cranks like these is like trying to convince Heinrich Himmler that Jews are people too and that Europe doesn't deserve to be colonized by a fascist state.

[Emulation White]

Thank you for the effort, but all these sources have a history of idealogical hostility to any form of White advocacy, so now I know this is another unfortunate smear.

"I'm too brainwashed to accept them."

Ok yeah you can't be taken seriously.

Take it easy killer, I'm not brainwashed, I am very familiar with these outlets and they have a very specific agenda. I'm not looking to get into a pissing match, actually I'd rather have open dialogue to make the effort towards conflict de-escalation, understanding and cooperation. Which is why the organizations you listed are harmful, they work to dehumanize and demonize their enemies.

[Bear Stearns]

Because they don't employ the right sort of violence at the right levels.

What sort of violence? And anyway, dispossessing fascists of an online voice is an effective tactic.

No it isn't. This same strategy has been tried with Islamists and it doesn't work.

[Kowani]

At least nobody died like with Charlottesville? That's the only positive thing about this for anyone - nobody won.

Woo?

[Bear Stearns]

Militant Christianity was defeated in the West not because we killed all the Christians, but because evolutions in logic and reason revealed those views to be wrong.

The problem is that no matter how much evidence, studies, scholarly articles and sources you throw at fascists and wingnuts (A word describing those who hold irrational and extremist political views, especially those on the right), they will simply refuse to accept that their entire worldview is wrong, and more often than not, they will double down on their already debunked talking points and will continue on their path towards radicalization. Hell, people like Alex Jones, Andrew Anglin, Pat Buchanan, Pat Robetson, David Duke, Renaud Camus, David Icke or Bryan Fischer are still rambling about stuff like homosatanism, the great replacement, "lizard annunaki", or a international zionist conspiracy years after they were thoroughly debunked by practically every reputable figure in America.

So because of that they deserve violence? And there are worse ideologies than fascism when it comes to irrationality and extremism.

[The South Falls]

What sort of violence? And anyway, dispossessing fascists of an online voice is an effective tactic.

No it isn't. This same strategy has been tried with Islamists and it doesn't work.

We killed many of them and there's still a forever war going down

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because they don't employ the right sort of violence at the right levels.

What sort of violence? And anyway, dispossessing fascists of an online voice is an effective tactic.

Look at the American Nazi Party and its downfall for details. Simply saying "you're bad, stop it" didn't work, Rockwell was shot and killed and the party collapsed as a result cuz his successor sucked and it massively set back their goals as a result.

No dispossessing them of an online voice won't do anything because due to the inherent nature of the internet they can always just make somewhere new.

[Bear Stearns]

So because of that they deserve violence? And there are worse ideologies than fascism when it comes to irrationality and extremism.

In my view, they can't be saved, they have to save themselves. You can only keep people away from them.

You sound like a Catholic priest from the Middle Ages.

[Kowani]

No it isn't. This same strategy has been tried with Islamists and it doesn't work.

We killed many of them and there's still a forever war going down

Reminder that Islamic terrorism outside of the ME is seeing lower numbers than ever before.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

The problem is that no matter how much evidence, studies, scholarly articles and sources you throw at fascists and wingnuts (A word describing those who hold irrational and extremist political views, especially those on the right), they will simply refuse to accept that their entire worldview is wrong, and more often than not, they will double down on their already debunked talking points and will continue on their path towards radicalization. Hell, people like Alex Jones, Andrew Anglin, Pat Buchanan, Pat Robetson, David Duke, Renaud Camus, David Icke or Bryan Fischer are still rambling about stuff like homosatanism, the great replacement, "lizard annunaki", or a international zionist conspiracy years after they were thoroughly debunked by practically every reputable figure in America.

So because of that they deserve violence? And there are worse ideologies than fascism when it comes to irrationality and extremism.

If they try to establish their desired ideology and worldview through violent extremism and borderline terrorism, then it becomes neccessary for society to resect such tumor out and dispose of it before it can metastasize beyond repair. It's the same thing as euthanizing a dog infected with the Rabies virus. There is no way you can treat the dog's illness or prevent it from lashing out at anything it sees, and the best way to minimize the virus's damage to other organisms is to end the dog's suffering.

[Bear Stearns]

So because of that they deserve violence? And there are worse ideologies than fascism when it comes to irrationality and extremism.

If they try to establish their desired ideology and worldview through violent extremism and borderline terrorism, then it becomes neccessary for society to resect such tumor out and dispose of it before it can metastasize beyond repair.

What constitutes trying to "establish" their desired ideology? Merely talking about it publicly? Endorsing a candidate? Running for office?

[The South Falls]

What sort of violence? And anyway, dispossessing fascists of an online voice is an effective tactic.

Look at the American Nazi Party and its downfall for details. Simply saying "you're bad, stop it" didn't work, Rockwell was shot and killed and the party collapsed as a result cuz his successor sucked and it massively set back their goals as a result.

No dispossessing them of an online voice won't do anything because due to the inherent nature of the internet they can always just make somewhere new.

the ANP was a small movement, and anyway, what if his successor had been beneficial.

[Emulation White]

Thank you for the effort, but all these sources have a history of idealogical hostility to any form of White advocacy, so now I know this is another unfortunate smear.

White advocacy in what manner?

Jared Taylor is a good example, the SPLC hate him, but all he does is advocate peaceful separation and more discussion.

[Bear Stearns]

You sound like a Catholic priest from the Middle Ages.

I've tried reasoning with some of them calmly.

Nothing worked.

I've watched others.

If there's a code, I can't crack it.

"Can't be saved"

It just sounds oddly religious.

[Kowani]

You sound like a Catholic priest from the Middle Ages.

I've tried reasoning with some of them calmly.

Nothing worked.

I've watched others.

If there's a code, I can't crack it.

Ask Nak. She should know.

[American Pere Housh]

Fascism might be a bad ideology but as long they keep things peaceful and not threatening people, they have every right to speak how they want. I in no way condone fascism or communism but they have 1st Amendment rights.