Fascist White Supremacist Rally in Portland Thwarted

[Nakena]

1. China is a capitalist country, just because it calls itself communist, doesn't mean it is.
2. Do people still use the word 'Bolshevik'? I thought that died off in the late 40s.

Do you prefer communist or marxist-leninist?

Their whole gig is in its fundamental principles, ideology and functioning still based of the old-school bolshevik system of the USSR.

Can we all agree violence is wrong?

No.

Bad boy you are. ^^

[Emulation White]

I'm curious, who is this group of "Fascist White Supremacists"? Anybody have any information or is this just hyperbole/misrepresentation?

Supposedly the Proud Boys.

Haha, I do. Proud Boys, huh? I really wish people would stop grossly misrepresenting each other, it really hinders any meaningful effort at progressive dialogue. The White Supremacy smear is harmful and unproductive.

[Ifreann]

"Thwarted" they did their demonstration, stirred up antifa, and left them to go attack innocents.
How is that thwarted? Sounds like they played you guys like fucking fiddles.

Based on leaked Proud Boy chat logs about a rally that was planned for April, what they want from their rallies is to cause as much harm to their opposition as possible without getting into too much legal trouble. Of course, there are some Proud Boys with no clue who'll just post about how they wanna kill, kill, kill, but there are also some Proud Boys with at least half a clue who try to tell the other guys to at least say "kill, kill, kill in self defence".


Special shout-out to the Boy who posted a selfie with his axe, which he calls "Kindness".

[The South Falls]

This should be patently obvious.

He's not condoning their tactics, merely their aims

It's a bit hard to separate their tactics from the aims.

You can go iron front and complete their aims without violence.

the dayton shooter was a warren supporter.....

He did not have a political motivation iirc.

[Kowani]

What was-the Great Society?

Kowani...Focus!

Fineee.

1. China is a capitalist country, just because it calls itself communist, doesn't mean it is.
2. Do people still use the word 'Bolshevik'? I thought that died off in the late 40s.

Do you prefer communist or marxist-leninist?

Their state and governance system is in its fundamental principles, ideology and functioning still based of the old-school bolshevik system of the USSR.

No.

Bad boy you are. ^^

Intellectual honesty!

No.

...
*Slaps*


Civil violence by protesters against other people is wrong. We shouldn't behave like gangs.

“Violence is a legitimate political tool.”

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Alright, what I find really disagreeable with Antifa is their use of violence to achieve their goals. It's literally no different from the fascists. If you tell me that I have to condone Antifa beating up people just because "fash is bad, lol", I won't.

Would you condemn the Battle of Cable Street in Britain as well then? Because it was a literal anti-fascist march against Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists, a organization that openly sympathized with Adolf Hitler and intended to completely subvert and destroy British democracy. And if you seriously think that fascism can be stopped by the power of love, appeasement and constructive discussion, then I have a Neville Chamberlain and a Treaty of Munich to sell you.

[Castelia]

“Violence is a legitimate political tool.”

Whoever said that is an idiot, if you ask me. You defeat an ideology with dialogue and ideas, not violence.

[Arcanda]

How was it "thwarted"? They assembled and left peacefully (Both sides). Could even be called a far-right "victory" since Portland is an Antifa nest. They were lucky they escaped unscathed.

13 folks were arrested, I don't think peace warrants arrest.

The thing is, in every protest, no matter who does it, at some point there will likely be arrests or a few scuffles with the cops. But at least this time there weren't street battles between the two groups, as far as I'm aware, or severe beat-downs.

[Pacomia]

Kowani...Focus!

Fineee.

Do you prefer communist or marxist-leninist?

Their state and governance system is in its fundamental principles, ideology and functioning still based of the old-school bolshevik system of the USSR.



Bad boy you are. ^^

Intellectual honesty!

...
*Slaps*


Civil violence by protesters against other people is wrong. We shouldn't behave like gangs.

“Violence is a legitimate political tool.”

Good old Kowani. Stops at nothing to do nothing.

[Emulation White]

Link spam is still not helpful.

Thank you for the effort, but all these sources have a history of idealogical hostility to any form of White advocacy, so now I know this is another unfortunate smear.

[Cerinda]

1. China is a capitalist country, just because it calls itself communist, doesn't mean it is.
2. Do people still use the word 'Bolshevik'? I thought that died off in the late 40s.

Do you prefer communist or marxist-leninist?

Their whole gig is in its fundamental principles, ideology and functioning still based of the old-school bolshevik system of the USSR.

I guess Maoist would be the correct term, although they did purge all radical factions of the CCP in the 80s. Their government system maybe based on the Soviet Union but their economic system is purely capitalist.

[Metaloidia]

Haha, I do. Proud Boys, huh? I really wish people would stop grossly misrepresenting each other, it really hinders any meaningful effort at progressive dialogue. The White Supremacy smear is harmful and unproductive.

It's like you didn't read the OP or sources I gave you to make a strawman.

If you give them the sources they just reply with link spam.

[The South Falls]

This should be patently obvious.

He's not condoning their tactics, merely their aims

I mean eradicating fascist protesters from causing violence would be nice but I don't like how violent they are.
Then again it's not like our police department is usually doing anything useful about this....

The police doesn't want to be branded an agent of any certain ideology

[Washington Resistance Army]

Can we all agree violence is wrong?

I'm gonna drop a red pill for all our local anti-fascists. Violence is the only way you're going to stop real fascists and Nazis.

[Castelia]

Would you condemn the Battle of Cable Street in Britain as well then? Because it was a literal anti-fascist march against Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists, a organization that openly sympathized with Adolf Hitler and intended to completely subvert and destroy British democracy.

Yes, I would. Like I said, you don't defeat an ideology with violence. You use dialogue and ideas.

I really don't care what ideology you practice. Liberal, communist, fascist, if you practice violence, you're all the same to me:

Someone who belongs in jail.

[Bear Stearns]

“Violence is a legitimate political tool.”

Whoever said that is an idiot, if you ask me. You defeat an ideology with dialogue and ideas, not violence.

You can defeat people with violence, but ideologies will live on, unless defeated in the intellectual sphere.

This is why the War on Terror was a failure.

[Kowani]

“Violence is a legitimate political tool.”

Whoever said that is an idiot, if you ask me. You defeat an ideology with dialogue and ideas, not violence.

“Kill then all, for God knows which ones are his.”

Yeah, nobody heard from that particular brand of Christianity again.

[The South Falls]

Link spam is still not helpful.

Thank you for the effort, but all these sources have a history of idealogical hostility to any form of White advocacy, so now I know this is another unfortunate smear.

White advocacy in what manner?

[The South Falls]

Can we all agree violence is wrong?

I'm gonna drop a red pill for all our local anti-fascists. Violence is the only way you're going to stop real fascists and Nazis.

No, you peacefully bait them into violence until they are arrested.

[Castelia]

Yeah, nobody heard from that particular brand of Christianity again.

Which is why I support the eradication of religion and imposition of state atheism, but that's for another thread.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm gonna drop a red pill for all our local anti-fascists. Violence is the only way you're going to stop real fascists and Nazis.

No, you peacefully bait them into violence until they are arrested.

How's that been working out?

Oh look, fascism is more relevant now than at any point since the '40's.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Would you condemn the Battle of Cable Street in Britain as well then? Because it was a literal anti-fascist march against Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists, a organization that openly sympathized with Adolf Hitler and intended to completely subvert and destroy British democracy.

Yes, I would. Like I said, you don't defeat an ideology with violence. You use dialogue and ideas.

I really don't care what ideology you practice. Liberal, communist, fascist, if you practice violence, you're all the same to me:

Someone who belongs in jail.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” - Jean Paul Sartre.
And by your misguided logic, anyone who has ever fought in World War 2 against Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain, or Militarist Japan should be imprisoned or hung.

[Bear Stearns]

Whoever said that is an idiot, if you ask me. You defeat an ideology with dialogue and ideas, not violence.

“Kill then all, for God knows which ones are his.”

Yeah, nobody heard from that particular brand of Christianity again.

Militant Christianity was defeated in the West not because we killed all the Christians, but because evolutions in logic and reason revealed those views to be wrong.

[Kowani]

Yeah, nobody heard from that particular brand of Christianity again.

Which is why I support the eradication of religion and imposition of state atheism, but that's for another thread.

And my point went sailing by.

[Pacomia]

Whoever said that is an idiot, if you ask me. You defeat an ideology with dialogue and ideas, not violence.

“Kill then all, for God knows which ones are his.”

Yeah, nobody heard from that particular brand of Christianity again.

Sounds like something Matt Shea would say.