Antifa

[Saciu]

Fascism is bad. There are good ways to tackle it. Antifa isn't using these.
It's not a good organisation. However, the right definitely needs to stop overhyping it. As pointed out earlier, what they do is nothing close to 9/11 or Oklahoma City, although they partake in the unlawful use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims, which can be considered terrorism.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Yep.it would have happened eventually look at the stuff that happening in Venezuela no matter what you do socialism tricks you in the arse in the end. American backed dictators are better than socialism

I think all the people murdered by those American backed dictators would heavily disagree.

Not to mention all those forced to become refugees (Such as those fleeing from Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador today) thanks to the failed neoliberal policies said dictators implemented which led to catastropic drops in human development and societal cohesion, and in the case of Argentina, Brazil and Chile, led to catastrophic economic crises that were only resolved after Keynesian economic policy was re-enacted (Contrary to popular belief, only after Pinochet fired the Chicago Boys in the early 80s and renationalized key industries for the benefit of the state did the Miracle of Chile commence).

[Aureumterra]

You can oppose fascism without supporting violence against peaceful people who haven't attacked you. I oppose fascism by debating their views in the free marketplace of ideas, not punching them in the streets

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean Paul-Sartre

You’re quoting the same NS player that is pro-PRC and supports Sinkiang camps

[Nova Cyberia]

I like not having socialist regimes in my hemisphere.

Why would you be okay with having totalitarian military dictatorships in your hemisphere instead? That’s not very pro-freedom of you.

Don't care. And no society has absolute freedom.

[Aureumterra]

I like not having socialist regimes in my hemisphere.

I like not having a death cult as the world's most powerful nation.

Despite this, I don't think Americans opposed to my point of view should be raped.

Describe “death cult”

[Pacomia]

I think all the people murdered by those American backed dictators would heavily disagree.

Not to mention all those forced to become refugees (Such as those fleeing from Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador today) thanks to the failed neoliberal policies said dictators implemented which led to catastropic drops in human development and societal cohesion, and in the case of Argentina, Brazil and Chile, led to catastrophic economic crises that were only resolved after Keynesian economic policy was re-enacted (Contrary to popular belief, only after Pinochet fired the Chicago Boys in the early 80s and renationalized key industries for the benefit of the state did the Miracle of Chile commence).

Jacobo was pretty cool.

[Nova Cyberia]

You know Yugoslavis broke apart rather violently, right?

That was after Tito. Have you noticed how socialist nations tend to fail after their leader falls out of power? And yeah, some do fail due to corruption and authoritarianism. I acknowledge that. But some don’t, and some capitalist countries do too.

If your regime can't survive after a single leader's death then your regime is a failure.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Fascism is bad. There are good ways to tackle it. Antifa isn't using these.
It's not a good organisation. However, the right definitely needs to stop overhyping it. As pointed out earlier, what they do is nothing close to 9/11 or Oklahoma City, although they partake in the unlawful use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims, which can be considered terrorism.

I fail to see why that is important to the discussion at hand.

[Kowani]

They deserved to get raped by rats because they voted for a socialist?

Yep.it would have happened eventually look at the stuff that happening in Venezuela no matter what you do socialism tricks you in the arse in the end. American backed dictators are better than socialism

Whoo, that’s edgy. Have you considered not having terrible ideas?

Yeah, like throwing milkshakes at people.

Yeah... filled with concrete, which is 100% safe and definitely can't cause chemical burns.

Cite that actually happening.

Not, eh... quite true. I don’t think you realise that there are many different types of communism/socialism.

There aren't.

Blatant ignorance.

[Nova Cyberia]

I like not having socialist regimes in my hemisphere.

I like not having a death cult as the world's most powerful nation.

Despite this, I don't think Americans opposed to my point of view should be raped.

We here have the luxury of not having to care what you think.

[Cekoviu]

This post is beautifully appropriate:

I'm against socialism that's why when someone brings up the nazis and claim it is connected to right wing politics in the UK I say Venezuela as a more legitimate argument against especially labour party as Corbyn liked Venezuela president. Real fact just type in "nicolas maduro corbyn" and see what I mean

When I did that, it said he didn't condemn Maduro and advocated for a dialogue. Is that what you mean?

[Pacomia]

That was after Tito. Have you noticed how socialist nations tend to fail after their leader falls out of power? And yeah, some do fail due to corruption and authoritarianism. I acknowledge that. But some don’t, and some capitalist countries do too.

If your regime can't survive after a single leader's death then your regime is a failure.

Alright, alright. That’s fair. I never said the countries themselves weren’t flawed.

Fine, look at Scandinavia. They have socialism on a capitalist framework. Mixed economics. They’re doing quite well. Some aspects of socialism are actually beneficial to a nation.

[Tardog]

Antifa is an extremist group and any extremism is bad as it's violating human rights which are inalienable.

[Aureumterra]

That was after Tito. Have you noticed how socialist nations tend to fail after their leader falls out of power? And yeah, some do fail due to corruption and authoritarianism. I acknowledge that. But some don’t, and some capitalist countries do too.

If your regime can't survive after a single leader's death then your regime is a failure.

Insert Genghis Khan meme here

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'm against socialism that's why when someone brings up the nazis and claim it is connected to right wing politics in the UK I say Venezuela as a more legitimate argument against especially labour party as Corbyn liked Venezuela president. Real fact just type in "nicolas maduro corbyn" and see what I mean

When I did that, it said he didn't condemn Maduro and advocated for a dialogue. Is that what you mean?

To be fair to Corbyn, he has shyed away from some of the more radical pro-Maduro factions of his party of late.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Not to mention all those forced to become refugees (Such as those fleeing from Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador today) thanks to the failed neoliberal policies said dictators implemented which led to catastropic drops in human development and societal cohesion, and in the case of Argentina, Brazil and Chile, led to catastrophic economic crises that were only resolved after Keynesian economic policy was re-enacted (Contrary to popular belief, only after Pinochet fired the Chicago Boys in the early 80s and renationalized key industries for the benefit of the state did the Miracle of Chile commence).

Jacobo was pretty cool.

Indeed, and funnily enough, despite being routinely denounced as a "dangerous totalitarian socialist" by rightwingers, he was the most democratic leader Guatemala ever had in decades, and after his overthrow during Operation PBSUCCESS courtesy of UFC puppet Allen Dulles, Guatemala would not have a democracy until the 1990s.

[Pacomia]

Not, eh... quite true. I don’t think you realise that there are many different types of communism/socialism.

There aren't.

This statement is big dumb.

[Kowani]

That was after Tito. Have you noticed how socialist nations tend to fail after their leader falls out of power? And yeah, some do fail due to corruption and authoritarianism. I acknowledge that. But some don’t, and some capitalist countries do too.

If your regime can't survive after a single leader's death then your regime is a failure.

Alexander’s empire, Majapahit, the Empire Of Mali, Charlemagne’s empire...

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Antifa is an extremist group and any extremism is bad as it's violating human rights which are inalienable.

What about happiness extremests? Chicken-fried steak extremests?

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

If your regime can't survive after a single leader's death then your regime is a failure.

Alright, alright. That’s fair. I never said the countries themselves weren’t flawed.

Fine, look at Scandinavia. They have socialism on a capitalist framework. Mixed economics. They’re doing quite well. Some aspects of socialism are actually beneficial to a nation.

Social democracy is not and will never be socialism. They are a welfare state at best, but socialism? Get back to me after they actually manage to place the means of production, distribution and exchange under public ownership. Until then, they are merely "humane" capitalists.

[Nova Cyberia]

If your regime can't survive after a single leader's death then your regime is a failure.

Alright, alright. That’s fair. I never said the countries themselves weren’t flawed.

Fine, look at Scandinavia. They have socialism on a capitalist framework. Mixed economics. They’re doing quite well. Some aspects of socialism are actually beneficial to a nation.

Not all of socialism's ideas are terrible, true. It just needs to be diluted a bit.

[Torrocca]

Are you going to?

All three rely on authoritarian power,

No they don't. Fascism, yes, but neither Communism nor Socialism require such a thing. To say otherwise is a blatant lie.

all three result in violations of basic human rights.

Again, no. Fascism, still a yes, but neither Communism nor Socialism are bound to lead to human rights violations.

There are more, bit that should be plenty.

You literally only got one thing right in regards to them being equivalent, and that's that they're considered extreme compared to the status quo.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

I like not having a death cult as the world's most powerful nation.

Despite this, I don't think Americans opposed to my point of view should be raped.

Describe “death cult”

Trying to use all but 144,000 Jews as human sacrifices for the Second Coming.

Forcing 2 billion people to move or die by 2100 because even though you know climate change is real it's all irrelevant because Jesus will come back and save you before 2050.

[Nova Cyberia]

If your regime can't survive after a single leader's death then your regime is a failure.

Alexander’s empire, Majapahit, the Empire Of Mali, Charlemagne’s empire...

Were all complete failures in terms of building lasting empires.

[Telconi]

There aren't.

This statement is big dumb.