Antifa

[Cekoviu]

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without a single Gauth post

Didn't Cyberia make a Gauth post? Or was that in another thread?

[Nova Cyberia]

without a single Gauth post

Didn't Cyberia make a Gauth post? Or was that in another thread?

If you're trying to insult me then it's working.

[Kaedijork]

We’re not on 4chan or r/T_D

i have nary a clue what any of that is. I know it might be hard but can you speak in terms that a normal person with a productive life might understand?

Ah yes, a normal person who doesn't spend their time vehemently denying facts and screaming irrational fear mongering propaganda on an internet forum at faceless strangers who they perceive as 'the left'.

[Ifreann]

This thread is on page 33.

without a single Gauth post

Do not involve me in your Gauth-bait shitposting, please.

[Scomagia]

No, no. A goodfaith assumption means you assume goodfaith from the other side. Ignorance and goodfaith posting are not mutually exclusive. Lying and goodfaith posting, on the other hand...

Your point is fair and valid, and I cannot dispute it.

Therefore I hate you.

Your hatred...it gives me strength!

[Purgatio]

People in ANTIFA literally refer to themselves in that way. You act as if I made the term up but there's literally a verified Twitter account called Antifa International so it's basically a noun at this point, a label that ANTIFA members give to their own organisation and political movement.

...the Twitter account is not all capitalized, lmao.

I never said it was, I cited the Twitter account because Ifreann implied I was calling these people 'Antifa' or that it was a label imputed by the organisation's opponents rather than a self-identification

[Purgatio]

People in ANTIFA literally refer to themselves in that way. You act as if I made the term up but there's literally a verified Twitter account called Antifa International so it's basically a noun at this point, a label that ANTIFA members give to their own organisation and political movement.

I'm not saying that you invented the word "antifa". I'm saying that you weirdly insist on using all caps to refer to all people doin' an antifa, something anti-fascists themselves do not do. I don't dispute that some groups to include the word "antifa" in their names to get across how they do an antifa. But look at your example. "Antifa International". Not "ANTIFA International". And incidentally, @antifaintl is not a verified account.

And don't twist my words. Pointing out the elegance and discipline in the Bund's MSG rally doesn't mean I support their ideas. I hate Communists with a burning passion, but even I can admire the regimentation of a Soviet military parade or how interesting the Red Guard uniforms looked. Appreciating aesthetics is not the same as subscribing to their ideas.

I just said I'm a little worried.

I also don't support 'mass incarceration of your political opponents'. People who are peaceful and non-violent and not members of a dangerous terrorist group should not be locked up, but domestic homegrown terrorists should go to jail. Is that crazy? Terrorists should go to jail? I guess that's an extreme position now. Go figure.

A sentence of life without parole for the entirely legal crime of associating with people of a given political persuasion who may or may not themselves have broken some law or laws is mass incarceration of your political opponents.

If I want to capitalise something I'll capitalise it, I don't see what the big deal is, Antifa just looks weird to me compared to ANTIFA so its an aesthetic preference. Regardless, it makes no difference to my underlying point, it's more semantic nitpicking.

More importantly, I want ANTIFA members jailed not because they are 'peacefully associating' with others but because ANTIFA is a violent terrorist organisation willing to attack and main and hospitalise people simply because they are of a different political persuasion to them, in the same way as I would want to prosecute and jail members of other political terrorist organisations. That's not suppression of dissent, peaceful and non-terrorist dissent should not be penalised.

[Purgatio]

No, because they don't contradict. ANTIFA is a dangerous terrorist group

Nope.

that seeks to inflict violence on their political opponents,

Source?

and every member

How does one become a member of antifa?

of this hate group

Please define "hate group."

deserves to be locked up for domestic terrorism.

Even those who have committed no crimes? Unless you're going to tell me every person who identifies as antifascist is a criminal, in which case, what charge?

Source? Pretty sure I've been here already. See my previous post:

For those who say ANTIFA just attacks fascists, please take note that if that's the case, the following are fascists:

ICE facilities (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/video-shows-car-set-ablaze-by-alleged-antifa-shooter-in-attack-on-ice-detention-center)
A gay Asian journalist (https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-writer-andy-ngo-attacked-at-portland-rally)
Two Mexican-American Marine reservists (https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2019/01/30/third-man-charged-in-alleged-antifa-assault-of-two-marine-reservists-in-philadelphia/) (https://taskandpurpose.com/antifa-attack-mexican-marines)
Innocent people in Dayton's entertainment district (https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/)
Trump supporters and students in Berkeley (https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/what-is-antifa-trnd/index.html)
A Bernie Sanders voter (https://www.newsweek.com/antifa-violence-portland-bernie-sanders-video-1082072)

Clearly all very dangerous fascists indeed.

[Necroghastia]

Nope.

Source?

How does one become a member of antifa?

Please define "hate group."

Even those who have committed no crimes? Unless you're going to tell me every person who identifies as antifascist is a criminal, in which case, what charge?

Source? Pretty sure I've been here already. See my previous post:

For those who say ANTIFA just attacks fascists, please take note that if that's the case, the following are fascists:

ICE facilities (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/video-shows-car-set-ablaze-by-alleged-antifa-shooter-in-attack-on-ice-detention-center)
A gay Asian journalist (https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-writer-andy-ngo-attacked-at-portland-rally)
Two Mexican-American Marine reservists (https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2019/01/30/third-man-charged-in-alleged-antifa-assault-of-two-marine-reservists-in-philadelphia/) (https://taskandpurpose.com/antifa-attack-mexican-marines)
Innocent people in Dayton's entertainment district (https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/)
Trump supporters and students in Berkeley (https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/what-is-antifa-trnd/index.html)
A Bernie Sanders voter (https://www.newsweek.com/antifa-violence-portland-bernie-sanders-video-1082072)

Clearly all very dangerous fascists indeed.

Not what I was asking. I was asking for a source that antifa's goal was to inflict violence. To do this, you need to source that a) antifa is an actual organization that b) officially advocates such.
I'd also like it if you answered my other queries.

[Torrocca]

Anti-Fascism is a universally good idea. If you're so hateful of a social movement aimed at combating Fascism, then strive to get rid of Fascism so you can kill two birds with one stone.

[Cekoviu]

...the Twitter account is not all capitalized, lmao.

I never said it was, I cited the Twitter account because Ifreann implied I was calling these people 'Antifa' or that it was a label imputed by the organisation's opponents rather than a self-identification

No, I just think it's funny that you included all-caps forms in there twice even though an """official""" outlet does it in title case at best.

[Grimmsland]

Fascism is bad. Antifascism is good.

Not complicated.

aha! but does not supporting "drag queen story hour" qualify as fascist?

[Bombadil]

I have some vague memory in history of a leader pinpointing left wing activists as the cause of societies ills while ignoring a bunch of right wing nationalist thugs who travel from all over to confront those activists.

Vaguely.

[Cekoviu]

Fascism is bad. Antifascism is good.

Not complicated.

aha! but does not supporting "drag queen story hour" qualify as fascist?

Yes, that is unforgivable.

[Scomagia]

I have some vague memory in history of a leader pinpointing left wing activists as the cause of societies ills while ignoring a bunch of right wing nationalist thugs who travel from all over to confront those activists.

Vaguely.

Indeed.

I have vague memories of leftwing activists promising to fight "reactionary" rightwing groups for the good of the people. I don't really remember what happened next. There was something to do with murdering a previous head of state and throwing "reactionaries" into a penal system. I can't remember the name of the agency that ran the penal system but it started with a G. The Goulash, perhaps? No, that's not right. Was it The Galoshes? Maybe it was Gouda...

[Maydona]

Fascism is bad. Antifascism is good.

Not complicated.

aha! but does not supporting "drag queen story hour" qualify as fascist?

...What does that have to do with anything?

[Purgatio]

Source? Pretty sure I've been here already. See my previous post:

Not what I was asking. I was asking for a source that antifa's goal was to inflict violence. To do this, you need to source that a) antifa is an actual organization that b) officially advocates such.
I'd also like it if you answered my other queries.

A consistent track record of violently attacking ANTIFA's unilaterally-deemed enemies is proof of a violent movement and ideology that seeks to use unlawful violence against its political opponents on account of their views, ie political terrorism. Hence, anyone who is a member of ANTIFA is a political terrorist and should be dealt with through the federal criminal law.

[Necroghastia]

Not what I was asking. I was asking for a source that antifa's goal was to inflict violence. To do this, you need to source that a) antifa is an actual organization that b) officially advocates such.
I'd also like it if you answered my other queries.

A consistent track record of violently attacking ANTIFA's unilaterally-deemed enemies is proof of a violent movement and ideology that seeks to use unlawful violence against its political opponents on account of their views, ie political terrorism. Hence, anyone who is a member of ANTIFA is a political terrorist and should be dealt with through the federal criminal law.

I must have somehow stuttered over a text-based medium.

Source that antifa is an actual organization that one can be a member of and that this organization officially advocates violence.

[Purgatio]

A consistent track record of violently attacking ANTIFA's unilaterally-deemed enemies is proof of a violent movement and ideology that seeks to use unlawful violence against its political opponents on account of their views, ie political terrorism. Hence, anyone who is a member of ANTIFA is a political terrorist and should be dealt with through the federal criminal law.

I must have somehow stuttered over a text-based medium.

Source that antifa is an actual organization that one can be a member of and that this organization officially advocates violence.

Why is that necessary? If an organisation consistently uses violence to advance its aims, that should be enough for you to condemn it. Anything beyond that is a semantic attempt to apologise for political violence.

[Scomagia]

I must have somehow stuttered over a text-based medium.

Source that antifa is an actual organization that one can be a member of and that this organization officially advocates violence.

Why is that necessary? If an organisation consistently uses violence to advance its aims, that should be enough for you to condemn it. Anything beyond that is a semantic attempt to apologise for political violence.

Do you think Anonymous is an organization?

[Necroghastia]

I must have somehow stuttered over a text-based medium.

Source that antifa is an actual organization that one can be a member of and that this organization officially advocates violence.

Why is that necessary? If an organisation consistently uses violence to advance its aims, that should be enough for you to condemn it. Anything beyond that is a semantic attempt to apologise for political violence.

You keep calling it an organization. Source that it is one, that it is something one can be a "member" of. Source that said organization, if it exists, officially advocates violence.

Because otherwise you have absolutely no reason to say "fuck the first amendment" and lock up people who have done dick diddly doo-dah.

[Torrocca]

Why is that necessary? If an organisation consistently uses violence to advance its aims, that should be enough for you to condemn it. Anything beyond that is a semantic attempt to apologise for political violence.

You keep calling it an organization. Source that it is one, that it is something one can be a "member" of. Source that said organization, if it exists, officially advocates violence.

Because otherwise you have absolutely no reason to say "fuck the first amendment" and lock up people who have done dick diddly doo-dah.

This is your daily reminder that the organization known as AntiFA has never committed assault or broken any laws in its known history.

That's mostly because there's not an organization called AntiFA, of course, which is the point that's yeeting itself over Purgatio's head at the speed of sound, but I digress.

[Purgatio]

Why is that necessary? If an organisation consistently uses violence to advance its aims, that should be enough for you to condemn it. Anything beyond that is a semantic attempt to apologise for political violence.

You keep calling it an organization. Source that it is one, that it is something one can be a "member" of. Source that said organization, if it exists, officially advocates violence.

Because otherwise you have absolutely no reason to say "fuck the first amendment" and lock up people who have done dick diddly doo-dah.

You can certainly be a matter of a local ANTIFA chapter, and you can attend a rally claiming to be a member of ANTIFA, as many do at present. And yes, this is a group of thugs who regularly justify acts of violence against people they unilaterally deem to be fascist, that's literally their whole shtick. I can advocate for whatever security measure is necessary to protect more innocent and vulnerable people from violence.

[Necroghastia]

You keep calling it an organization. Source that it is one, that it is something one can be a "member" of. Source that said organization, if it exists, officially advocates violence.

Because otherwise you have absolutely no reason to say "fuck the first amendment" and lock up people who have done dick diddly doo-dah.

You can certainly be a matter of a local ANTIFA chapter, and you can attend a rally claiming to be a member of ANTIFA, as many do at present. And yes, this is a group of thugs who regularly justify acts of violence against people they unilaterally deem to be fascist, that's literally their whole shtick. I can advocate for whatever security measure is necessary to protect more innocent and vulnerable people from violence.

What the fuck do you think the word source means?

[New haven america]

You keep calling it an organization. Source that it is one, that it is something one can be a "member" of. Source that said organization, if it exists, officially advocates violence.

Because otherwise you have absolutely no reason to say "fuck the first amendment" and lock up people who have done dick diddly doo-dah.

You can certainly be a matter of a local ANTIFA chapter, and you can attend a rally claiming to be a member of ANTIFA, as many do at present. And yes, this is a group of thugs who regularly justify acts of violence against people they unilaterally deem to be fascist, that's literally their whole shtick. I can advocate for whatever security measure is necessary to protect more innocent and vulnerable people from violence.

If Antifa's an organization than why have you yet to provide a source that show's that they're an organization?