Antifa

[Purgatio]

Shut down their affiliated websites, any organizing networks they use or funding methods, and black bag followed by imprisonment of those who associate under the title by the U.S. Marine. Any resistance should be suppressed, without remorse or mercy.

I'm sorry this is america. We don't do that here

*checks map* but if you like, there's some free real estate in the people's republic of China

In the west, maybe, but have you ever lived in Hong Kong, Shanghai or Beijing? I can guarantee you you wouldn't describe the situation there as 'free real estate'.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

He has never suggested actually banning the press from publishing critical news stories. He's criticised their coverage of him.

Aka he wants to ban them from publishing news stories critical of him

That's a massive leap.

[Aureumterra]

Antifa is indefensible

[Purgatio]

Criticising negative coverage of you isn't being a jackass, its inherent in the marketplace of ideas that liberal journalist have a right to criticise Trump but Trump has a right to criticise their criticism and so on.

Calling people fake news for reporting things you actually did and encouraging violence against them is being a jackass

The press is guilty of publishing fake news about Trump in the past though. It has happened before (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/12/03/abc-news-apologizes-for-serious-error-in-trump-report-suspends-brian-ross-for-four-weeks/?noredirect=on)

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I'm sorry this is america. We don't do that here

*checks map* but if you like, there's some free real estate in the people's republic of China

> "It's the current year!"

If you're not going to debate with maturity then just leave.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Mr. O'Sophytube has a masters degree in philosophy, and in that video cites Carl Schmitt, a German political theorist and member of the actual Nazi Party.

I'm aware of both counts. That doesn't mean Antifa is flawless or gets the right people, and he basically just dismisses that with whataboutist nonsense.

I also don't take him seriously when he implied that supporting capitalism is a main tenet of fascism, despite the fact that many fascist groups are anti-capitalist. (Yes, I watched the video a few months back.)

[Vassenor]

Saying the press should not be allowed to publish stories critical of you, in open defiance of the first amendment, is very much anti-free speech.

He has never suggested actually banning the press from publishing critical news stories. He's criticised their coverage of him.

Trump has previously demanded that libel laws be tightened to make it easier for him to shut down people who are critical of him.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I'm sorry this is america. We don't do that here

*checks map* but if you like, there's some free real estate in the people's republic of China

In the west, maybe, but have you ever lived in Hong Kong, Shanghai or Beijing? I can guarantee you you wouldn't describe the situation there as 'free real estate'.

What the Hell are you even talking about?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Aka he wants to ban them from publishing news stories critical of him

That's a massive leap.

It's practically what he said numerous times.

[Purgatio]

In the west, maybe, but have you ever lived in Hong Kong, Shanghai or Beijing? I can guarantee you you wouldn't describe the situation there as 'free real estate'.

What the Hell are you even talking about?

That property prices are expensive in those cities? Is that news?

[Israeli Defense Force]

I remember how moved I was at Portland's Ground Zero, the site at which antifa terrorists brutally overturned a trash can. That trash can had hopes and dreams, but its life was cut short in the most terrible attack of all time. And I teared up as I thought about 9/11 and Oklahoma City and that trash can, because these things are the same. Never forget.

Yeah, like throwing milkshakes at people.

And committing felony assault that could kill people

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/antifa-on-trial-how-a-college-professor-joined-the-lefts-radical-ranks-630213/

You can defend Antifa without either outright lying or being ignorant. If it's the former, knock it off because lying doesn't help the cause. If it's the latter, educate yourselves.

We don't stop fascists by becoming them.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/portland-considers-antimask-law-aimed-at-antifa-violence-11563442203
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40930831
https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-paso-dayton-shootings-august-2019/h_c3fe4a1d2b04da849422f817647227ab

[Totally Not OEP]

> "It's the current year!"

If you're not going to debate with maturity then just leave.

> "Mah magic will protect me!"
> Maturity

Yeah chief, unfortunately we're allowed to discuss on topics however much we wish regardless.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

This is America, not Nazi Germany.

> "It's the current year!"

I mean, if you want to live in an authoritarian or totalitarian hellscape then I hear Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan are good places for that sort of thing.

[Bliuji]

Mr. O'Sophytube has a masters degree in philosophy, and in that video cites Carl Schmitt, a German political theorist and member of the actual Nazi Party.

I'm aware of both counts. That doesn't mean Antifa is flawless or gets the right people, and he basically just dismisses that with whataboutist nonsense.

I also don't take him seriously when he implied that supporting capitalism is a main tenet of fascism, despite the fact that many fascist groups are anti-capitalist. (Yes, I watched the video a few months back.)

I mean fascism is corporate socialism

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Mr. O'Sophytube has a masters degree in philosophy, and in that video cites Carl Schmitt, a German political theorist and member of the actual Nazi Party.

I'm aware of both counts. That doesn't mean Antifa is flawless or gets the right people, and he basically just dismisses that with whataboutist nonsense.

I also don't take him seriously when he implied that supporting capitalism is a main tenet of fascism, despite the fact that many fascist groups are anti-capitalist. (Yes, I watched the video a few months back.)

Yeah I don't care if he has a Masters Degree in the Secrets of the Universe. He's clearly a moron.

[The Archipelago Territory]

I'm in Portland right now, speaking of Antifa they had a rally yesterday. And trust me they've done things a lot worse than overturning a trash can.

Yeah, like throwing milkshakes at people.

“Found with bear spray and shields”

[Purgatio]

He has never suggested actually banning the press from publishing critical news stories. He's criticised their coverage of him.

Trump has previously demanded that libel laws be tightened to make it easier for him to shut down people who are critical of him.

Are you a law student? Because if you were you'd be aware that the US has one of the most defendant-friendly libel laws in the entire world, more than most common law jurisdictions like England and Wales or Australia. Things like the public figure doctrine or the blanket protections for online ISPs and other intermediaries or not allowing strict liability defamation claims are unprecedented especially compared to the UK. Believing US libel laws should be brought in line with international standards isn't anti-free speech.

[Aureumterra]

I think antifa is a gang of wannabe communist larpers who stand zero chance against real fascists and take out their rage on anyone who is to the right of stalin. They also have a good awful white savior complex and refer to minorities insultingly and paternalistically as "vulnerable communities in need of protection," as if we lack the means to defend ourselves. Overall I think antifa does a lot of harm to the actual broader cause of antifascism, and gives the fascists the persecution they believe they suffer. In the end they actually help the fascists cause. The best way to choke out their movement is to let the racists speak so every one can see how crazy they are. They flounder when no one attacks them.

This

[Totally Not OEP]

> "It's the current year!"

I mean, if you want to live in an authoritarian or totalitarian hellscape then I hear Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan are good places for that sort of thing.

I'm American, why should I want to leave my nation instead of changing it into what I want? Seems to me, from listening to certain elements in this thread, that we're well on the way to doing such; perhaps its better for my opponents to flee instead?

[Vassenor]

Yeah, like throwing milkshakes at people.

“Found with bear spray and shields”

Let's see your source, especially ones that say which side those were seized from.

[The South Falls]

I'm aware of both counts. That doesn't mean Antifa is flawless or gets the right people, and he basically just dismisses that with whataboutist nonsense.

I mean fascism is corporate socialism

What? Fascism is a system in which:

a) the government is heavily centralized around one operational entity
b) some sort of purity ("cleansing") is seen as the end goal of the state and
c) private property is still legal

[Side 3]

If you're not going to debate with maturity then just leave.

> "Mah magic will protect me!"
> Maturity

Yeah chief, unfortunately we're allowed to discuss on topics however much we wish regardless.

>Meme arrows
>Off of 4Chan

Go back to Reddit.

[The South Falls]

I mean, if you want to live in an authoritarian or totalitarian hellscape then I hear Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan are good places for that sort of thing.

I'm American, why should I want to leave my nation instead of changing it into what I want? Seems to me, from listening to certain elements in this thread, that we're well on the way to doing such; perhaps its better for my opponents to flee instead?

Admittedly, what you want would eventually (now or later) become detrimental to you or your kin.

[Totally Not OEP]

> "Mah magic will protect me!"
> Maturity

Yeah chief, unfortunately we're allowed to discuss on topics however much we wish regardless.

>Meme arrows
>Off of 4Chan

Go back to Reddit.

It may surprise you to learn that those have existed here for years.

[Ifreann]

I wonder what it says that even as you describe antifa in the worst possible terms, not to suggest that I think you're being insincere, you also say that more people are going to join their ranks. Lawless, violent, and apparently quite popular.

People joining the ranks of a radical fringe group doesn't make them good. Lots of people joined the Taliban in Afghanistan in the 90s and early 21st Century, doesn't mean the Taliban wasn't bad.

Certainly I'm not saying that they're good because they're popular. I don't know if I'd even agree that they are broadly popular. But you're saying that antifa are very bad and you're saying that more and more people are going to do antifa things, to which I say, what's up with that?

The reason more people will join ANTIFA is because political radicalism on the Left is growing. The Left increasingly sees enemies all around them, capitalists, conservatives, even classical liberals, many on the Left are convinced that they live in a capitalist, oligarchic, white male supremacist country that is maintained through institutionalised violence, and that only mass anarchic violence and riots and attacking those they disagree with can 'solve' that 'problem'. That kind of incendiary rhetoric is why more and more people are joining this terrorist organisation. Terrorist radicals always invent and fabricate enemies and use apocalyptic rhetoric to justify violence against their opponents, and unfortunately it often works.

Leaving aside whether I agree with these things you're saying, for the sake of argument, is it actually wrong to say that the US is a capitalist, oligarchic, white-/male-supremacist country that is maintained through institutional violence? I mean, no one would deny that America is a capitalist nation. And the laws that make it so are enforced through violence and the threat of violence. Police officers don't carry guns for decoration. Prisons don't have those high walls and fences to keep bears out.