Antifa

[Aureumterra]

How you define degeneracy?
pssst, your ideology fulfills both of those

No it doesn't. Christianity is the normal, and everything it has done has been for the betterment of society.

Christian that has no problem with homosexuality here

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Howso? We entered the war (I assume you're talking about WWII?) because the Germans declared on us...in other words, in "self-defence".

In words only. The US was never on defensive footing on that side of the war. The Japanese side was certainly defensive, but not the German side. Of course, just about anything could be termed self-defense if it really needs to be to make an argument.

If someone declares a war on you, responding to said war is responding in your own defence.

[Cekoviu]

No it doesn't. Christianity is the normal, and everything it has done has been for the betterment of society.

Christian that has no problem with homosexuality here

Well yeah, but you're a European. Those don't count.
/s

[Gagium]

That's an opinion article...And by that Andrew Ngo fellow mentioned earlier in the thread. I completely agree with you on your other points/articles, though.

The Dayton shooter was an ANTIFA supporter, he literally made online comments talking about how its okay to attack fascists

Sure, but it doesn't mean the attack was carried out by ANTIFA (As much as I'd like to say that it was to make myself look better politically, of course). The other shooter (I'm not trying to argue whataboutism here..) wasn't a shooter for Trump because he supported his policies or views.

[Cerinda]

Getting back to the topic, more people should support the American Iron Front, they're a group who are patriotic Americans and are Anti fascist.

[Scherzinger]

and if it hadnt been for the brave soldiers who gave their lives on the beaches of Normandy, Iwo Jima, Kasserine, and elsewhere, you would be living under the boot of German and/or Japanese oppression, thats assuming you are a blonde hair blue eyed non-jew who isnt disabled. Im glad youre aware of the history of WWII, and how America didnt go to Europe as an aggressor, but you are allowed to love terrorism because America refused to sit on its arse while the world burned around them.

Again, WWII was a defensive war. Nazi Germany declared war on the United States, not the other way round. No one here is denying a right to use violence in proportionate self-defense, of yourself or others.

and yet again i am well aware, for the past 10 years i have spent copious amounts of time expanding my knowledge of the subject and collecting its memorabilia. The point is that if the US didnt act in self defense, and instead sat on its ass, or focused on just the Japanese, america would be much worse off than it is now, but i dont get too far ahead of myself there, because it seems as if america is going in that direction anyway

[Aureumterra]

In my opinion, Antifa shouldn't use violent tactics, safe for in self defense. Because then, many see them as an illegitimate organization.

It’s not one organization but a group of loosely connected organizations, the most notable being Smash Racism DC and the groups in Portland

[Scherzinger]

Getting back to the topic, more people should support the American Iron Front, they're a group who are patriotic Americans and are Anti fascist.

as long as their cause is a noble one that doesnt resort to violence to solve their goals, i would happily sign up to help them.

[Cekoviu]

Getting back to the topic, more people should support the American Iron Front, they're a group who are patriotic Americans and are Anti fascist.

With a name like the Iron Front, I would've totally thought they'd be fascist.

[Purgatio]

Again, WWII was a defensive war. Nazi Germany declared war on the United States, not the other way round. No one here is denying a right to use violence in proportionate self-defense, of yourself or others.

and yet again i am well aware, for the past 10 years i have spent copious amounts of time expanding my knowledge of the subject and collecting its memorabilia. The point is that if the US didnt act in self defense, and instead sat on its ass, or focused on just the Japanese, america would be much worse off than it is now, but i dont get too far ahead of myself there, because it seems as if america is going in that direction anyway

....except no one's arguing you can't attack fascists in self-defense, and the last part's key. If a fascist tries to punch you, and you punch him to stop it, that's perfectly fine. But ANTIFA doesn't do that. All the attacks I listed earlier were unprovoked attacks on people ANTIFA deems fascist in their judgment, none of it was defensive. None.

[Aureumterra]

Getting back to the topic, more people should support the American Iron Front, they're a group who are patriotic Americans and are Anti fascist.

Amen

[Scymira]

That's an opinion article...And by that Andrew Ngo fellow mentioned earlier in the thread. I completely agree with you on your other points/articles, though.

The Dayton shooter was an ANTIFA supporter, he literally made online comments talking about how its okay to attack fascists

It's very interesting and worth paying attention to here that all the 'leftist' referenced were in the days leading up to the attack. Before that, the account was completely different. The other linked stories likewise leave out or de-empasize details like this.

[Maydona]

Again, I repeat, for your benefit:

For those who say ANTIFA just attacks fascists, please take note that if that's the case, the following are fascists:

ICE facilities (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/video-shows-car-set-ablaze-by-alleged-antifa-shooter-in-attack-on-ice-detention-center)
A gay Asian journalist (https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-writer-andy-ngo-attacked-at-portland-rally)
Two Mexican-American Marine reservists (https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2019/01/30/third-man-charged-in-alleged-antifa-assault-of-two-marine-reservists-in-philadelphia/) (https://taskandpurpose.com/antifa-attack-mexican-marines)
Innocent people in Dayton's entertainment district (https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/)
Trump supporters and students in Berkeley (https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/what-is-antifa-trnd/index.html)
A Bernie Sanders voter (https://www.newsweek.com/antifa-violence-portland-bernie-sanders-video-1082072)

Clearly all very dangerous fascists indeed.

Well lets see, for starters
1. Ice facilities are completely inhumane treating their detainees thus i do agree with this attack.
2. You phrase antifa attacking andy ngo and the Two Mexican-American Marine reservists as if they were attacked just because they were minorities but in fact this is false, Andy ango is no journalist but a far right propagandist who uses sensationalism to spread disinformation.
3. As for the trump supporters I do not care, the right wing must be opposed at all costs.

[Purgatio]

The Dayton shooter was an ANTIFA supporter, he literally made online comments talking about how its okay to attack fascists

It's very interesting and worth paying attention to here that all the 'leftist' referenced were in the days leading up to the attack. Before that, the account was completely different. The other linked stories likewise leave out or de-empasize details like this.

How so? The attacks on the Marine reservists, on a Sanders voter holding a US flag, on Andy Ngo, on ICE facilities, how are these justifiable attacks on so-called 'fascists'?

[The South Falls]

Getting back to the topic, more people should support the American Iron Front, they're a group who are patriotic Americans and are Anti fascist.

With a name like the Iron Front, I would've totally thought they'd be fascist.

Yea, they seem ight when you go into it, but they might need a slight name change.

[Cerinda]

Getting back to the topic, more people should support the American Iron Front, they're a group who are patriotic Americans and are Anti fascist.

With a name like the Iron Front, I would've totally thought they'd be fascist.

Funnily enough they get their name from the German Iron Front who were social democrats.

[Purgatio]

Again, I repeat, for your benefit:

Well lets see, for starters
1. Ice facilities are completely inhumane treating their detainees thus i do agree with this attack.
2. You phrase antifa attacking andy ngo and the Two Mexican-American Marine reservists as if they were attacked just because they were minorities but in fact this is false, Andy ango is no journalist but a far right propagandist who uses sensationalism to spread disinformation.
3. As for the trump supporters I do not care, the right wing must be opposed at all costs.

1. I don't like a detention facility so I can attack it even if it puts ICE workers at risk of dying
2. Andy Ngo says things I don't like so I can attack him
3. Trump supporters voted a way I don't like so I can attack them

Idk man, sounds a lot like political terrorism to me

[Aureumterra]

With a name like the Iron Front, I would've totally thought they'd be fascist.

Funnily enough they get their name from the German Iron Front who were social democrats.

American IF’s official reddit page immediately distances itself from marxism and socialism, and identifies as a bi partisan effort against fascism

[Nova Cyberia]

Oh, good. Our monthly Antifa thread.

Antifa still sucks and Portland Antifa should be treated as a terrorist organization.

[Asurmenia]

Trash.

[Scherzinger]

yes, because i think that SJW's are also backwards thinking individuals who should really think about their life choices. You people, the socialists, antifa lovers, and the rest of the leftys probably all have enough collective hate to toast a piece of bread lightly

I don't think I've expressed any actual hatred in this thread, but your posts have so much disdain dripping from them that we could make a renewable power source from it...

i wasnt even talking about your posts, but your movement as a collective. Most of your movement is focused on destroying the lives of everybody who doesnt fit your narrative, whether it be a kid with an uncomfortable smile, or a milk-toast, down to earth SCOTUS nominee who happens to love his country and president. If you want to focus on my disdain and hate for your movement, thats fine, it seems to fit your narrative better than the fact that your movement isnt quite what it seems to be. I dont really mind you as a person, you seem willing to at least hear the other side, which is rare nowadays. However, the movement you side with makes me think that the only reason you seem civil is because on a forum you actually have to read what others write instead of shouting them down for having an opposing ideal.

[Purgatio]

Oh, good. Our monthly Antifa thread.

Antifa still sucks and Portland Antifa should be treated as a terrorist organization.

Anyone who has ever done anything as a member of ANTIFA ought to be prosecuted and thrown in jail for domestic terrorism, period

[Aureumterra]

Again, I repeat, for your benefit:

Well lets see, for starters
1. Ice facilities are completely inhumane treating their detainees thus i do agree with this attack.
2. You phrase antifa attacking andy ngo and the Two Mexican-American Marine reservists as if they were attacked just because they were minorities but in fact this is false, Andy ango is no journalist but a far right propagandist who uses sensationalism to spread disinformation.
3. As for the trump supporters I do not care, the right wing must be opposed at all costs.

You sound like a Soviet state-operated newspaper

[Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel]

Never liked Antifa. There's no need for a Fascist like my self to explain why I don't like a group who's whole purpose is fighting Fascism.

[Cerinda]

Funnily enough they get their name from the German Iron Front who were social democrats.

American IF’s official reddit page immediately distances itself from marxism and socialism, and identifies as a bi partisan effort against fascism

Yes, so that's a group even right-wingers can support.