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Postby Scomagia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:48 pm

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Scomagia wrote:Reminder that there's no law forbidding the establishment of worker owned businesses. ;)

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What's preventing the establishment of such businesses? Where I live there's a cooperative convenience store chain that does well and a regional bulk food chain that is worker owned. I'm unaware of any rule, implied or otherwise, that prevents the establishment of more.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:59 pm

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Ifreann wrote:This is the first I've heard of it.

Consult your local library.

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Postby Scomagia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:12 pm

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Scomagia wrote:Consult your local library.

"Where can I find books on stereotypes about Marxists?"

I wasn't aware the historical actions of Marxists constituted stereotypes but whatever it takes to apologize for a murderous ideology, I guess.

But lets get away from the apologism and back on topic.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:20 pm

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Scomagia wrote:Reminder that there's no law forbidding the establishment of worker owned businesses. ;)

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Do you even know what an ESOP is?

Employee-owned businesses are very common.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:21 pm

Kowani wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Yes, a CEO just does nothing all day and totally does not have the image of an entire company resting on their decisions or anything

Reminder that CEO pay isn’t actually tied to company performance.


Their salaries aren't, but bonuses are. And their employment is entirely tied to their performance, and the standards they are held to are much higher, hence why the turnover rate for CEOs is extremely high. They are fired and replaced all the time.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:24 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Who says I was talking about specific people? Not everything is a veiled insult of other random people.

But yeah, mostly CEOs. Not all of them, but boy, are some of them corrupt.

What makes you think the average CEO slacks off all day? I imagine being ultimately responsible for the good management of a large company is very stressful.


It is incredibly stressful. Imagine being the CEO of General Electric right now.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:26 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Image

What's preventing the establishment of such businesses? Where I live there's a cooperative convenience store chain that does well and a regional bulk food chain that is worker owned. I'm unaware of any rule, implied or otherwise, that prevents the establishment of more.


The main problem with employee-owned businesses is that it is hard to grow them beyond a certain size (they don't scale well), mostly because they lack a more unified strategic vision and are not flexible structure (they cannot adapt to changes as quickly).
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Postby Purgatio » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:38 pm



Why not address the substance of the ex-member's argument then? That this is a group and movement with a dangerous, radical political ideology that actively encourages, endorses and incites violence against any individual arbitrarily and capriciously labelled a 'fascist' by their members?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:51 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Welp. One person said it so it must be true.


Why not address the substance of the ex-member's argument then? That this is a group and movement with a dangerous, radical political ideology that actively encourages, endorses and incites violence against any individual arbitrarily and capriciously labelled a 'fascist' by their members?

Fox News interviewed an employee of a conservative think-tank. Why exactly should anyone take what he has to say seriously?
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Postby Purgatio » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:53 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Why not address the substance of the ex-member's argument then? That this is a group and movement with a dangerous, radical political ideology that actively encourages, endorses and incites violence against any individual arbitrarily and capriciously labelled a 'fascist' by their members?

Fox News interviewed an employee of a conservative think-tank. Why exactly should anyone take what he has to say seriously?


Because he used to be ANTIFA and presumably has personal insight into how terrible and sociopathic the group and its members are and the movement's internal workings
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Postby Estanglia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:58 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Fox News interviewed an employee of a conservative think-tank. Why exactly should anyone take what he has to say seriously?


Because he used to be ANTIFA and presumably has personal insight into how terrible and sociopathic the group and its members are and the movement's internal workings


The most the source says about Antifa is;

"But unfortunately, once you get into Antifa and you start realizing that what they're doing is not right," he continued. "They're trying to hurt people, they're trying to harass people. And you know, the reason I left Antifa was because I started asking questions and as soon as I asked questions, they started harassing me."


Which isn't exactly a bombshell to drop on us, and provides nothing about its internal workings.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:59 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Fox News interviewed an employee of a conservative think-tank. Why exactly should anyone take what he has to say seriously?


Because he used to be ANTIFA and presumably has personal insight into how terrible and sociopathic the group and its members are and the movement's internal workings


He obviously doesn't go too much into detail, then.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:00 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Because he used to be ANTIFA and presumably has personal insight into how terrible and sociopathic the group and its members are and the movement's internal workings


The most the source says about Antifa is;

"But unfortunately, once you get into Antifa and you start realizing that what they're doing is not right," he continued. "They're trying to hurt people, they're trying to harass people. And you know, the reason I left Antifa was because I started asking questions and as soon as I asked questions, they started harassing me."


Which isn't exactly a bombshell to drop on us, and provides nothing about its internal workings.


It's not like there's that much of a story behind being a low level street gang.

"They were violent weirdos, that's why I left" is basically all that needs to be said.
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Postby Purgatio » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:00 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Because he used to be ANTIFA and presumably has personal insight into how terrible and sociopathic the group and its members are and the movement's internal workings


The most the source says about Antifa is;

"But unfortunately, once you get into Antifa and you start realizing that what they're doing is not right," he continued. "They're trying to hurt people, they're trying to harass people. And you know, the reason I left Antifa was because I started asking questions and as soon as I asked questions, they started harassing me."


Which isn't exactly a bombshell to drop on us, and provides nothing about its internal workings.


A guy who used to be in ANTIFA as a member is telling us "they're trying to hurt people, they're trying to harass people", that's firsthand testimony as to the sinister and insidious motives of this homegrown terrorist movement.
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Postby Estanglia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:03 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
The most the source says about Antifa is;



Which isn't exactly a bombshell to drop on us, and provides nothing about its internal workings.


A guy who used to be in ANTIFA as a member is telling us "they're trying to hurt people, they're trying to harass people", that's firsthand testimony as to the sinister and insidious motives of this homegrown terrorist movement.


You say that like Antifa even bothered to try to hide its 'sinister and insidious' motives.

They've been blatant basically from the start. It's nothing new. We don't need former Antifa to tell us something that has been plain as day.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:17 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Because he used to be ANTIFA and presumably has personal insight into how terrible and sociopathic the group and its members are and the movement's internal workings


He obviously doesn't go too much into detail, then.

I assume he’s talking about Rose City Antifa
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Postby Cappuccina » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:17 pm


Tfw people don't view Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization.
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Postby Purgatio » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:19 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
A guy who used to be in ANTIFA as a member is telling us "they're trying to hurt people, they're trying to harass people", that's firsthand testimony as to the sinister and insidious motives of this homegrown terrorist movement.


You say that like Antifa even bothered to try to hide its 'sinister and insidious' motives.

They've been blatant basically from the start. It's nothing new. We don't need former Antifa to tell us something that has been plain as day.


Have you read this thread so far? There's clearly no shortage of people who need convincing that ANTIFA is a sinister and dangerous organisation. If you already knew that, good for you, but other people have yet to acknowledge the reality of the situation.
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Postby Estanglia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:27 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
You say that like Antifa even bothered to try to hide its 'sinister and insidious' motives.

They've been blatant basically from the start. It's nothing new. We don't need former Antifa to tell us something that has been plain as day.


Have you read this thread so far? There's clearly no shortage of people who need convincing that ANTIFA is a sinister and dangerous organisation. If you already knew that, good for you, but other people have yet to acknowledge the reality of the situation.


I have been reading the thread and it seems that most who repeatedly posted have expressed that Antifa is violent, and that Antifa isn't an organisation.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:28 pm

Yes, yes, I get it. I'm racist and fascist because I disagree with you. Can we skip that part? I've heard it a million times before and I guarantee it won't be any different when you do it
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:28 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Welp. One person said it so it must be true.

Tfw people don't view Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization.


Do we need to have the discussion about how it's not an organisation, much less a domestic terrorist one, and this is all just a transparent attempt to justify outlawing anti-Trump protests again?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:29 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Have you read this thread so far? There's clearly no shortage of people who need convincing that ANTIFA is a sinister and dangerous organisation. If you already knew that, good for you, but other people have yet to acknowledge the reality of the situation.


I have been reading the thread and it seems that most who repeatedly posted have expressed that Antifa is violent, and that Antifa isn't an organisation.


Quite, there is a dangerous element in the ideology but like you said, Antifa is not an organization.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:31 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Tfw people don't view Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization.


Do we need to have the discussion about how it's not an organisation, much less a domestic terrorist one, and this is all just a transparent attempt to justify outlawing anti-Trump protests again?

White supremacism isn't an organization either.
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