Antifa

[Greater vakolicci haven]

What about NationStates Antifa

The proper place to discuss them is in the gameplay forum.

[Pacomia]

I imagine there’s something for white-collar jobs.

So once I have made some software or built a website that has taken me quite a lot of time, effort and skill to build, I expect to be fairly compensated.

Maybe. Probably. I don’t know, I’ve never ran an economic system before.

EDIT: 1,000th post!

[Torrocca]

How's about the ones that've created workers unions, worker cooperatives, and voluntary communes?

I don't think I'd have much of a place in any of them. I'm not much good for manual work.

You don't have to be a manual worker to be a part of a worker's union or a cooperative or even a commune, though. Having Socialism =/= suddenly reducing all of society to manual labor, after all.

No, the idea is that sharing is caring.

What if I just don't care that much though?

Then that just sounds like a you problem at that point and a high form of dickery, chief.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So once I have made some software or built a website that has taken me quite a lot of time, effort and skill to build, I expect to be fairly compensated.

Maybe. Probably. I don’t know, I’ve never ran an economic system before.

If there is a version of communism that involves me not losing my property rights, money or possessions, I'll happily listen to everything about it. However, given that such a thing is part and parcel of communism, I don't think you'll have much luck.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Trying to use all but 144,000 Jews as human sacrifices for the Second Coming.

What?

been over this one elsewhere

Forcing 2 billion people to move or die by 2100 because even though you know climate change is real it's all irrelevant because Jesus will come back and save you before 2050.

• 66 per cent say the Earth will definitely or probably get warmer but it breaks down strongly along political lines, with just 48 per cent of Republicans saying so and 83 per cent of Democrats.

From your same source.

Also from that source:

• 41 per cent say Jesus Christ will return within the next 40 years while 46 per cent say this will definitely or probably not happen.

In terms of percentage, more Republicans believe that the Earth will or probably will warm than Americans overall believe that Jesus Christ will return in the next 40 years.

1. I think a majority believe in climate change now.

2. Yeah, not all Republicans are evangelicals. Vast majority are perfectly willing to ally with them, though - see Bolton and Trump.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

How's about the ones that've created workers unions, worker cooperatives, and voluntary communes?

Which one lets small business owners keep their property?

Mutualism.

[Torrocca]

I imagine there’s something for white-collar jobs.

So once I have made some software or built a website that has taken me quite a lot of time, effort and skill to build, I expect to be fairly compensated.

Lucky for you, one of the core ideas of Socialism is that the laborer will earn the full value of their labor, rather than a portion of it according to what your boss deems fit for you to earn, as is the case under Capitalism.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I don't think I'd have much of a place in any of them. I'm not much good for manual work.

You don't have to be a manual worker to be a part of a worker's union or a cooperative or even a commune, though. Having Socialism =/= suddenly reducing all of society to manual labor, after all.

What if I just don't care that much though?

Then that just sounds like a you problem at that point and a high form of dickery, chief.

I think you misunderstand me.

I consider myself a generous person. I give money to friends quite often, I give to charities, I will buy food for homeless people. I do a regular donation run for my local foodbank. I choose to do these things. I don't choose to put all of my money in some kind of collective picnic basket, however.

[Pacomia]

So once I have made some software or built a website that has taken me quite a lot of time, effort and skill to build, I expect to be fairly compensated.

Lucky for you, one of the core ideas of Socialism is that the laborer will earn the full value of their labor, rather than a portion of it according to what your boss deems fit for you to earn, as is the case under Capitalism.

Right.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So once I have made some software or built a website that has taken me quite a lot of time, effort and skill to build, I expect to be fairly compensated.

Lucky for you, one of the core ideas of Socialism is that the laborer will earn the full value of their labor, rather than a portion of it according to what your boss deems fit for you to earn, as is the case under Capitalism.

I don't have a boss.

[Torrocca]

You don't have to be a manual worker to be a part of a worker's union or a cooperative or even a commune, though. Having Socialism =/= suddenly reducing all of society to manual labor, after all.



Then that just sounds like a you problem at that point and a high form of dickery, chief.

I think you misunderstand me.

I consider myself a generous person. I give money to friends quite often, I give to charities, I will buy food for homeless people. I do a regular donation run for my local foodbank. I choose to do these things. I don't choose to put all of my money in some kind of collective picnic basket, however.

... But that last thing has nothing to do with Socialism, though. I think you're missing the point of what "social ownership of the means of production" (AKA the basic definition of Socialism) means; you earn the full value of your labor and you own the fruits of your own labor, but you share the business or what-have-you with your fellow workers, assuming you work in a multi-person business or what-have-you.

[Torrocca]

Lucky for you, one of the core ideas of Socialism is that the laborer will earn the full value of their labor, rather than a portion of it according to what your boss deems fit for you to earn, as is the case under Capitalism.

I don't have a boss.

Good for you, then.

[Gagium]

So once I have made some software or built a website that has taken me quite a lot of time, effort and skill to build, I expect to be fairly compensated.

Lucky for you, one of the core ideas of Socialism is that the laborer will earn the full value of their labor, rather than a portion of it according to what your boss deems fit for you to earn, as is the case under Capitalism.

And lucky for us we aren't a socialist nation.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I think you misunderstand me.

I consider myself a generous person. I give money to friends quite often, I give to charities, I will buy food for homeless people. I do a regular donation run for my local foodbank. I choose to do these things. I don't choose to put all of my money in some kind of collective picnic basket, however.

... But that last thing has nothing to do with Socialism, though. I think you're missing the point of what "social ownership of the means of production" (AKA the basic definition of Socialism) means; you earn the full value of your labor and you own the fruits of your own labor, but you share the business or what-have-you with your fellow workers, assuming you work in a multi-person business or what-have-you.

So if I do some work, and demand a certain price for it, I have to share the ownership of that price with the person who answers the telephone?

[Pacomia]

Lucky for you, one of the core ideas of Socialism is that the laborer will earn the full value of their labor, rather than a portion of it according to what your boss deems fit for you to earn, as is the case under Capitalism.

And lucky for us we aren't a socialist nation.

Yeah, because then you can slack off, do nothing, and be a shit person, and get millions of dollars a year for it!

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And lucky for us we aren't a socialist nation.

Yeah, because then you can slack off, do nothing, and be a shit person, and get millions of dollars a year for it!

What sort of people are you applying that description to?

[5 Kingdoms of Britannia]

Yep.it would have happened eventually look at the stuff that happening in Venezuela no matter what you do socialism tricks you in the arse in the end. American backed dictators are better than socialism

Whoo, that’s edgy. Have you considered not having terrible ideas?

Yeah... filled with concrete, which is 100% safe and definitely can't cause chemical burns.

Cite that actually happening.

There aren't.

Blatant ignorance.

I think so cause eventually USA back dictator is overthrown by a democratic coup that tends to be supported by the usa

[Torrocca]

... But that last thing has nothing to do with Socialism, though. I think you're missing the point of what "social ownership of the means of production" (AKA the basic definition of Socialism) means; you earn the full value of your labor and you own the fruits of your own labor, but you share the business or what-have-you with your fellow workers, assuming you work in a multi-person business or what-have-you.

So if I do some work, and demand a certain price for it, I have to share the ownership of that price with the person who answers the telephone?

If you're working with a group of other workers to make and sell a product, then you would collectively share the profits of your labor, since all of you are contributing in some manner or another in your business. However, the good thing about Socialism is that you're pretty much guaranteed to have a democratic workplace, which means you and the others can collectively decide how profits are distributed and whatnot. You could have a model where people receive equal pay for each hour they work, or some other model that was decided upon by all of you.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Whoo, that’s edgy. Have you considered not having terrible ideas?


Cite that actually happening.


Blatant ignorance.

I think so cause eventually USA back dictator is overthrown by a democratic coup that tends to be supported by the usa

Yep.it would have happened eventually look at the stuff that happening in Venezuela no matter what you do socialism tricks you in the arse in the end. American backed dictators are better than socialism

Going to ask you one more time to make sure - they deserved to get raped by rats because they voted for a socialist?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So if I do some work, and demand a certain price for it, I have to share the ownership of that price with the person who answers the telephone?

If you're working with a group of other workers to make and sell a product, then you would collectively share the profits of your labor, since all of you are contributing in some manner or another in your business. However, the good thing about Socialism is that you're pretty much guaranteed to have a democratic workplace, which means you and the others can collectively decide how profits are distributed and whatnot. You could have a model where people receive equal pay for each hour they work, or some other model that was decided upon by all of you.

But you see, I create the end product. I could conceiveably get by without having the guy who answers the telephone.

[Ifreann]

I think part of the idea of communism/socialism is that workers>owners.

No, the idea is that sharing is caring.

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their need" - Barney the Dinosaur, 1848.

[Pacomia]

Yeah, because then you can slack off, do nothing, and be a shit person, and get millions of dollars a year for it!

What sort of people are you applying that description to?

Who says I was talking about specific people? Not everything is a veiled insult of other random people.

But yeah, mostly CEOs. Not all of them, but boy, are some of them corrupt.

[5 Kingdoms of Britannia]

Too simplify my argument most socialism ideas dint work and just create massive debt, communism and fascism never work.
Most dictators are just evil but it's better to have a capitalist one most of the time then a socialist one as it wont royal wreck the economy.
Any disagreements come at thee

[Gagium]

Yeah, because then you can slack off, do nothing, and be a shit person, and get millions of dollars a year for it!

What sort of people are you applying that description to?

I assume he's talking about the business owners who employ thousands of people?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

What sort of people are you applying that description to?

Who says I was talking about specific people? Not everything is a veiled insult of other random people.

But yeah, mostly CEOs. Not all of them, but boy, are some of them corrupt.

What makes you think the average CEO slacks off all day? I imagine being ultimately responsible for the good management of a large company is very stressful.