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Postby Saiwania » Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:59 pm

They're basically Tito's Yugoslav Partisans wannabes.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:59 pm

Purgatio wrote:
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I’m wondering why you are unable to grasp the simple concept that just because some people who are Antifa did that, not everyone who is Antifa is Anti-American. Some are, I don’t doubt it. I just DO NOT LUMP every Antifa person in the same category because they are not a homogeneous mass.


Because you can apply that same logic to any anti-American group. "He's in ISIS because he likes the ideas, but he's never committed any anti-American attacks, not personally, other members of ISIS have but don't lump them all together."

Fact is, ANTIFA has committed anti-American attacks and anyone who joins them must hate American and be a disloyal traitor too.

Is the Westboro Baptist Church representative of Baptists in general?
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Postby Purgatio » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:00 pm

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Because you can apply that same logic to any anti-American group. "He's in ISIS because he likes the ideas, but he's never committed any anti-American attacks, not personally, other members of ISIS have but don't lump them all together."

Fact is, ANTIFA has committed anti-American attacks and anyone who joins them must hate American and be a disloyal traitor too.

Is the Westboro Baptist Church representative of Baptists in general?


No but ‘Baptists’ don’t band together in a Black Bloc with clubs and shields and show up at rallies and marches to punch people and say threatening things like ‘Bash the Fash’
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Postby Aureumterra » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:01 pm

Magnus Germania wrote:They're a pathetic group of costumed, cowardly thugs who claim to be "revolutionaries" when they're really unemployed children brainwashed by the System into hating America. They are literally funded by George Soros, the one behind all this liberal/globalist garbage. They're basically the footsoldiers of Globalism. They're not even terrorists, that'd be complimenting them too much. We should just do away with them completely and rid Western society of them.

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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:01 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Is the Westboro Baptist Church representative of Baptists in general?


No but ‘Baptists’ don’t band together in a Black Bloc with clubs and shields and show up at rallies and marches to punch people and say threatening things like ‘Bash the Fash’

Just as "Antifa" in general don't do the same. Are you picking up what I'm putting down, son?
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:02 pm

Magnus Germania wrote:They're a pathetic group of costumed, cowardly thugs who claim to be "revolutionaries" when they're really unemployed children brainwashed by the System into hating America. They are literally funded by George Soros, the one behind all this liberal/globalist garbage. They're basically the footsoldiers of Globalism. They're not even terrorists, that'd be complimenting them too much. We should just do away with them completely and rid Western society of them.


>Literally funded by Soros
>Globalism

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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:03 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Magnus Germania wrote:They're a pathetic group of costumed, cowardly thugs who claim to be "revolutionaries" when they're really unemployed children brainwashed by the System into hating America. They are literally funded by George Soros, the one behind all this liberal/globalist garbage. They're basically the footsoldiers of Globalism. They're not even terrorists, that'd be complimenting them too much. We should just do away with them completely and rid Western society of them.


>Literally funded by Soros
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Postby Purgatio » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:03 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
No but ‘Baptists’ don’t band together in a Black Bloc with clubs and shields and show up at rallies and marches to punch people and say threatening things like ‘Bash the Fash’

Just as "Antifa" in general don't do the same. Are you picking up what I'm putting down, son?


No ANTIFA do, its a political movement with a unified radical ideological agenda
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:06 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Just as "Antifa" in general don't do the same. Are you picking up what I'm putting down, son?


No ANTIFA do, its a political movement with a unified radical ideological agenda

There is no unified ideology, let alone agenda.
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:06 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Just as "Antifa" in general don't do the same. Are you picking up what I'm putting down, son?


No ANTIFA do, its a political movement with a unified radical ideological agenda

Not really. It’s not likely some central Antifa organisation is sending out representative to go attack people.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:07 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Just as "Antifa" in general don't do the same. Are you picking up what I'm putting down, son?


No ANTIFA do, its a political movement with a unified radical ideological agenda

Why you gotta tell such shit lies?
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Postby Estanglia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:07 pm

Purgatio wrote:
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Sure, but you’re the one claiming they are all anti-American.


When you are member of a domestic terrorist group that has attacked veterans and Marine recruitment centres, you are obviously anti-American. Even if you could find a single parishioner in Westboro Baptist Church that hasn't specifically and physically protested at veterans' funerals, being a member of an organisation that actively does that means you probably hate your country.


Antifa is not an organisation.

At best, it's a label used to collectively refer to antifascists.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:08 pm

Magnus Germania wrote:They're a pathetic group of costumed, cowardly thugs who claim to be "revolutionaries" when they're really unemployed children brainwashed by the System into hating America. They are literally funded by George Soros, the one behind all this liberal/globalist garbage. They're basically the footsoldiers of Globalism. They're not even terrorists, that'd be complimenting them too much. We should just do away with them completely and rid Western society of them.


Soros's funding of certain media ventures, think tanks, and his lobbying efforts are the problem. He's a socially liberal Koch brother.
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Postby Purgatio » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:08 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
No ANTIFA do, its a political movement with a unified radical ideological agenda

Why you gotta tell such shit lies?


They have a logo, they have their own political label and they attend rallies under the self-described label of ANTIFA
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:09 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
No ANTIFA do, its a political movement with a unified radical ideological agenda

Why you gotta tell such shit lies?

I'd go with the goodfaith assumption that they are mistaken, not lying.
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Postby Estanglia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:10 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Just as "Antifa" in general don't do the same. Are you picking up what I'm putting down, son?


No ANTIFA do, its a political movement with a unified radical ideological agenda


The only really unified 'agenda' is 'fight fascism', because it's literally in the name.

Though how to do so, who counts as fascist etc. varies between antifascists, so it's not really that unified.
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Postby Purgatio » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:10 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
When you are member of a domestic terrorist group that has attacked veterans and Marine recruitment centres, you are obviously anti-American. Even if you could find a single parishioner in Westboro Baptist Church that hasn't specifically and physically protested at veterans' funerals, being a member of an organisation that actively does that means you probably hate your country.


Antifa is not an organisation.

At best, it's a label used to collectively refer to antifascists.


You mean anarchists, hooligans and criminals. Many people are anti-fascist without being lawless and violent
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For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:11 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
No ANTIFA do, its a political movement with a unified radical ideological agenda


The only really unified 'agenda' is 'fight fascism', because it's literally in the name.

Though how to do so, who counts as fascist etc. varies between antifascists, so it's not really that unified.


"It's in the name"

So North Korea is democratic?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:11 pm

If antifa considered all people who are nominally opposed to fascism (an extremely broad group of people on both the right and the left), then why do they also oppose normie conservatives?
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:12 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why you gotta tell such shit lies?


They have a logo, they have their own political label and they attend rallies under the self-described label of ANTIFA

And no organised body beyond the local level, no agreement on ideology, no agreement on tactics, and no particular agenda beyond opposing what they perceive as fascism, for which they have no standardised definition.

They're as much an organisation as Baptists or Evangelical Christians. That is to say, not at all, really.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:14 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
They have a logo, they have their own political label and they attend rallies under the self-described label of ANTIFA

And no organised body beyond the local level, no agreement on ideology, no agreement on tactics, and no particular agenda beyond opposing what they perceive as fascism, for which they have no standardised definition.

They're as much an organisation as Baptists or Evangelical Christians. That is to say, not at all, really.


It’s even stated in the definition of Antifa.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:17 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:If antifa considered all people who are nominally opposed to fascism (an extremely broad group of people on both the right and the left), then why do they also oppose normie conservatives?


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Postby Estanglia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:19 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Antifa is not an organisation.

At best, it's a label used to collectively refer to antifascists.


You mean anarchists, hooligans and criminals. Many people are anti-fascist without being lawless and violent


Sure.

But Antifa is still not an organisation.

Bear Stearns wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
The only really unified 'agenda' is 'fight fascism', because it's literally in the name.

Though how to do so, who counts as fascist etc. varies between antifascists, so it's not really that unified.


"It's in the name"

So North Korea is democratic?


In that there are (from my brief read of the Wikipedia) technically elections, even though to call them elections and thus the DPRK democratic is an insult to every actually democratic nation? Yes.

But I'd take the names of political movements and ideologies to typically represent the general ideology of those composing the movements/ideologies (e.g a party called the Socialist party would probably be ideologically socialist).

Of course, there are exceptions.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:21 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:If antifa considered all people who are nominally opposed to fascism (an extremely broad group of people on both the right and the left), then why do they also oppose normie conservatives?


because they are wanna be revolutionaries.


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