Antifa

[Gagium]

Ah yes, the one who drops in and is like "Hey, here's a video that argues my points for an hour because I can't do it here. You won't watch it because it proves you wrong hur hur"

Well, two can play at that game!.....Except that it's really lazy debating.

It's mere propaganda. I had the misfortune of actually watching it.

Two minutes in and he's saying getting people fired for expressing their political opinions and discriminating against people (As well as violence) is perfectly acceptable. I don't know, we'll see where this goes...

[Surkiea]

How about you communists actually come up with an argument?

>implying I'm a communist

Well you sound like one, you leftist.

[Redternetia]

Yes, that is literally what these people want. These are literally the sort of people antifascists oppose, and the people we're talking to right now feel sympathy for them at the very least, and support them at most.

I have no sympathy for Nazis.

Just their "right" to go and advocate harm of others, right?
Fixed the text from earlier btw.

[Redternetia]

>implying I'm a communist

Well you sound like one, you leftist.

Actual communist here! o/ Can confirm they aren't communists.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I have no sympathy for Nazis.

Just their "right" to go and advocate harm of others, right?
Fixed the text from earlier btw.

Right to free expression, you mean?

[The South Falls]

>implying I'm a communist

Well you sound like one, you leftist.

What a fucking argument.

YoU leFtiST

[Surkiea]

Well you sound like one, you leftist.

What a fucking argument.

YoU leFtiST

Well putting a laughing emoji isn't a better one is it? And they are a leftist.

[Liriena]

Being the victim of a horrible crime does not entitle you to be beyond criticism, specially not if you yourself have victimized others. Specially not when your victimizing others is contextually relevant to your own victimization.

Facts don't care about Ngo's feelings or your shoddy sense of civility.

I genuinely never believed it was a matter of 'civility' to not engage in underhanded victim-blaming of someone who was so viciously attacked he was confined in a hospital. Not blaming a person for his own hospitalisation? That's not civility, its a basic modicum of respect and human decency.

I'm not "blaming" him for being assaulted. He did not deserve that, regardless of how much of a scumbag he is. But he also happens to be personally responsible for a lot of misinformation surrounding antifa and far right violence.

Also, the whole "hospiitalization" thing? Remarkable that he was given leave to go back to his job and give interviews on TV almost immediately after allegedly suffering a serious brain injury.

[Redternetia]

Just their "right" to go and advocate harm of others, right?
Fixed the text from earlier btw.

Right to free expression, you mean?

If that's their right then it's others' right to express their distaste with that. Huh, wonder why you bash on Antifas right to free expression then.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Well you sound like one, you leftist.

What a fucking argument.

YoU leFtiST

He was responding to a non-argument made in response to his post.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Right to free expression, you mean?

If that's their right then it's others' right to express their distaste with that. Huh, wonder why you bash on Antifas right to free expression then.

Feel free to engage them in debate and say what you like. Don't feel free to start street brawls.

[Borovan entered the region as he]

Never heard of them.

But based on the op I don't like them. People who are violent and do property damage should be arrested

[Redternetia]

What a fucking argument.

YoU leFtiST

Well putting a laughing emoji isn't a better one is it? And they are a leftist.

Call me a leftist too please, completely dEsTroY mE.

[Surkiea]

What a fucking argument.

YoU leFtiST

He was responding to a non-argument made in response to his post.

Don't expect progressives to make actual arguments.

[Purgatio]

I genuinely never believed it was a matter of 'civility' to not engage in underhanded victim-blaming of someone who was so viciously attacked he was confined in a hospital. Not blaming a person for his own hospitalisation? That's not civility, its a basic modicum of respect and human decency.

I'm not "blaming" him for being assaulted. He did not deserve that, regardless of how much of a scumbag he is. But he also happens to be personally responsible for a lot of misinformation surrounding antifa and far right violence.

Also, the whole "hospiitalization" thing? Remarkable that he was given leave to go back to his job and give interviews on TV almost immediately after allegedly suffering a serious brain injury.

But he was hospitalised (https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/454712-conservative-journalist-andy-ngo-says-antifa-attack-resulted-in-brain-injury)

This is why I can't take sincerely your claim that you're not blaming Ngo for the attack. If you really think the attack was so reprehensible, why keep trying to imply his words and actions brought it on himself, or trying to minimise or downplay the attack's seriousness? Would you accept this after any other terrorist attack. If an Islamic jihadist attacked and hospitalised someone and I said "well, violence is bad, no question, but let's not forget the guy who was attacked expressed some Islamophobic views before, and also his injuries weren't that bad", would it sound like I actually condemn violence or am I tolerating and condoning it?

[Philjia]

if a person believes that you, personally, should be publicly vivisected, should they be allowed to express that? Should they be allowed to march through the streets, gathering followers to join the cause of Gagium being publicly vivisected, having people on talk shows seriously discuss whether they should be allowed to say that, and if maybe they have a point and Gagium should be vivisected after all, and perhaps inspiring a couple of people to give catching and vivisecting you a try. Is that what you want?

I'd like to see people marching on the streets because of me. That'd be amusing, tbh. How does this have to do with discriminating against fascists specifically in law and government policy though - Specifically because of their ideology? I don't think many 'fascists' these days march on the streets in America (I don't know what goes on in the UK, probably similar) though, and why would you discriminate against someone in law and other policies because they marched out on the street and said XXX should be killed? Is it abhorrent? Sure. Is it illegal? Might be. Should you begin targeting that group of people for it specifically? Not really.

Ah, whatever. I'd like to see how the Philjia regime goes about locking up and discriminating against political opponents.

The UK is a common law jurisdiction with laws against hate speech. That is to say, speech which threatens violence or discrimination against members of a particular gender, sexuality, ethnic group, religion, disability and so on is prohibited and can result in prosecution. Furthermore, the Malicious Communications Act 1988 makes it an offence to "send or deliver letters or other articles for the purpose of causing distress or anxiety". On top of that, causing fear of violence, provoking violence, and intentionally causing distress are also offences. Organisations can also be proscribed and the members prevented from meeting. If they are enforced and the penalties make it more difficult for the perpetrators to reoffend, that will considerably blunt the ability of fascism to operate, and will involve considerably fewer razorblade laced potatoes than the old way.

[Cekoviu]

More milkshakes and fewer knuckle sandwiches would be nice. Too violent for me.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I have no sympathy for Nazis.

Just their "right" to go and advocate harm of others, right?
Fixed the text from earlier btw.

I support free political speech even if it is grotesque speech, and most of my criticism of Antifa is when they get the wrong people, not "oh my god, that poor Nazi skinhead asshole got punched," or something along those lines. Some thugs in the movement attacked a liberal for carrying the American flag, which they declared a "fascist symbol." I'm not inclined to reefer to the discretion of people like that. You can say that is one incident, but there are others that can be found.

[Vassenor]

He was responding to a non-argument made in response to his post.

Don't expect progressives to make actual arguments.

Maybe you should make an actual argument then if you're expecting one in response.

[Redternetia]

If that's their right then it's others' right to express their distaste with that. Huh, wonder why you bash on Antifas right to free expression then.

Feel free to engage them in debate and say what you like. Don't feel free to start street brawls.

You're right, we should've just debated with fascists during WWII in the ultimate battleground of ideas. If only somebody would've done that with all those fascists we would've stopped the war happening at all! =((( It's not like they utilized violent methods and practically received concessions and support from the state or anything, much like today.

[The South Falls]

He was responding to a non-argument made in response to his post.

Don't expect progressives to make actual arguments.

That's an incredibly broad term, expecting 15% or more of the people who inhabit this site to be incapable of making an argument is absurd, to say the least.

[Surkiea]

Well putting a laughing emoji isn't a better one is it? And they are a leftist.

Call me a leftist too please, completely dEsTroY mE.

Well the fact that you support an ideology that has murdered over 100 million people shows that you either have no brain or you're a terrible person who wants to murder Christians. You also push a far left ultra progressive agenda in order to destroy western values and force everyone to think the same way you do. That's the left in a nutshell.

[The Legion of Mankind]

Just their "right" to go and advocate harm of others, right?
Fixed the text from earlier btw.

I support free political speech even if it is grotesque speech, and most of my criticism of Antifa is when they get the wrong people, not "oh my god, that poor Nazi skinhead asshole got punched," or something along those lines. Some thugs in the movement attacked a liberal for carrying the American flag, which they declared a "fascist symbol." I'm not inclined to reefer to the discretion of people like that. You can say that is one incident, but there are others that can be found.

Yeah that’s a bit much lmao. Like attacking a person for carrying the American flag?! Stupid.

[Cekoviu]

Call me a leftist too please, completely dEsTroY mE.

Well the fact that you support an ideology that has murdered over 100 million people shows that you either have no brain or you're a terrible person who wants to murder Christians. You also push a far left ultra progressive agenda in order to destroy western values and force everyone to think the same way you do. That's the left in a nutshell.

Wait, concepts are capable of murder now?

[Surkiea]

Don't expect progressives to make actual arguments.

Maybe you should make an actual argument then if you're expecting one in response.

I did, and all you replied with was an emoji. Think of a smart response next time.