Ave Satanas! Satanism Discussion Thread

[Nakena]

I was specifically addressing the absurdity of the Christian God, but it’s great to point out that polytheism is actually more logically sound than monotheism.

Well yeah. For all its absurdity, polytheists don't normally categorically deny the existence of other gods They also don't accept the idea that one god and only one god can exist and that it maintains, for some reason, the ultimate form of every "good" attribute.

Thats because abrahamism has been intentionally created being supremacist and absolutist. It's a blueprint and weapon with the objective to subject and enslave mankind. Specifically Version 3.0 if ya catch my drift.

[Kowani]

Well yeah. For all its absurdity, polytheists don't normally categorically deny the existence of other gods They also don't accept the idea that one god and only one god can exist and that it maintains, for some reason, the ultimate form of every "good" attribute.

Thats because abrahamism has been intentionally created being supremacist and absolutist. It's a blueprint and weapon with the objective to subject and enslave mankind. Specifically Version 3.0 if ya catch my drift.

I don’t think that was Jesus’ intention when he got himself crucified.

[Nakena]

Thats because abrahamism has been intentionally created being supremacist and absolutist. It's a blueprint and weapon with the objective to subject and enslave mankind. Specifically Version 3.0 if ya catch my drift.

I don’t think that was Jesus’ intention when he got himself crucified.

No. He's actually the one element that doesnt fits into that. I personally believe he had different intentions and was a good guy. (too good for my taste obviously ^^) But if you go by OT and Islamic stuff its fairly obvious.

Then again, christianity without OT would deprive it of its cosmology and the very notion of this possibility has been aggressively rejected here. Despite it had been historically been considered.

[Hanafuridake]

I'm actually curious about this too. How does theistic Satanism work? I mean, the majority of modern "satanists" are basically atheists who want to act edgy, but how does one worship Satan (and does it include vilification of the Christian god?) considering the Christian concept of Satan is, in and of itself, a syncretism of pagan beliefs and not something original to Christianity (other than the whole "evil incarnate" aspect)

They tend to think Satan is a Prometheus figure who brought knowledge and pleasure to humanity, and that God is the world’s biggest killjoy.

So basically they're like if Melkorism was real?

[Kowani]

I don’t think that was Jesus’ intention when he got himself crucified.

No. He's actually the one element that doesnt fits into that. I personally believe he had different intentions and was a good guy. (too good for my taste obviously ^^) But if you go by OT and Islamic stuff its fairly obvious.

Ahh. Yeah, that’s true.

Then again, christianity without OT would deprive it of its cosmology and the very notion of this possibility has been aggressively rejected here. Despite it had been historically been considered.

Would’ve been less easy to reject without the OT. But it probably wouldn’t’ve spread so easily.

[Black Moon Sodality]

No. (Jesus is) actually the one element that doesnt fits into that. I personally believe he had different intentions and was a good guy. (too good for my taste obviously ^^) But if you go by OT and Islamic stuff its fairly obvious.

He never existed unless you count his egregore.

[Nakena]

No. (Jesus is) actually the one element that doesnt fits into that. I personally believe he had different intentions and was a good guy. (too good for my taste obviously ^^) But if you go by OT and Islamic stuff its fairly obvious.

He never existed unless you count his egregore.

Hah. Good point there.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I don’t think that was Jesus’ intention when he got himself crucified.

No. He's actually the one element that doesnt fits into that. I personally believe he had different intentions and was a good guy. (too good for my taste obviously ^^) But if you go by OT and Islamic stuff its fairly obvious.

Then again, christianity without OT would deprive it of its cosmology and the very notion of this possibility has been aggressively rejected here. Despite it had been historically been considered.

The main issue is that Jesus' sacrifice is essentially blood magic, and without the Old Testament, the blood magic has no context to work.

[Hanafuridake]

No. (Jesus is) actually the one element that doesnt fits into that. I personally believe he had different intentions and was a good guy. (too good for my taste obviously ^^) But if you go by OT and Islamic stuff its fairly obvious.

He never existed unless you count his egregore.

Ah. The Christ Myth Theory. Which hasn't been taken seriously for decades.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

He never existed unless you count his egregore.

Ah. The Christ Myth Theory. Which hasn't been taken seriously for decades.

In fairness to the Christ Myth Theory, Dr. Richard Carrier has put out some interesting peer-reviewed work on the subject. It's no longer something that is totally unfounded. I'd say the truth of the matter is that Jesus is probably, to an extent, an amalgamation of multiple people across time. There could be a leading figure who was actually called "Jesus" among them, but many parallels in the gospels drawn to Moses and Elijah imply that at least some of the early legendization in Mark was taken from those stories.

Even Christ's sermons are probably not his own, but rather, a compilation of different rabbis' sayings. The parables might, to an extent, be original, but some are almost certainly invented.

[Nakena]

No. He's actually the one element that doesnt fits into that. I personally believe he had different intentions and was a good guy. (too good for my taste obviously ^^) But if you go by OT and Islamic stuff its fairly obvious.

Then again, christianity without OT would deprive it of its cosmology and the very notion of this possibility has been aggressively rejected here. Despite it had been historically been considered.

The main issue is that Jesus' sacrifice is essentially blood magic, and without the Old Testament, the blood magic has no context to work.

I never looked at it in that way. Blood magic sounds kinda nasty. : D

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Theistic Satanism is just as dumb as other religions, except with a cool goatlord and fire and shit like that. LaVeyan Satanism would be more my speed, being an atheist and all, but still it has a set of rules and dogma to follow. Also, the whole lesser/higher magic thing is a bit silly.

That said, the allure and danger of Satan is attractive and tempting to me.

[Nakena]

Theistic Satanism is just as dumb as other religions, except with a cool goatlord and fire and shit like that. LaVeyan Satanism would be more my speed, being an atheist and all, but still it has a set of rules and dogma to follow. Also, the whole lesser/higher magic thing is a bit silly.

That said, the allure and danger of Satan is attractive and tempting to me.

How so? It's not everyone's cup of tea to get into those matters.

[Kernen]

Theistic Satanism is just as dumb as other religions, except with a cool goatlord and fire and shit like that. LaVeyan Satanism would be more my speed, being an atheist and all, but still it has a set of rules and dogma to follow. Also, the whole lesser/higher magic thing is a bit silly.

That said, the allure and danger of Satan is attractive and tempting to me.

How so? It's not everyone's cup of tea to get into those matters.

That wasn't his claim, though. He was referring to his own interests.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

How so? It's not everyone's cup of tea to get into those matters.

That wasn't his claim, though. He was referring to his own interests.

Yeah. That said, so does Wicca and paganism.

[Nakena]

That wasn't his claim, though. He was referring to his own interests.

Yeah. That said, so does Wicca and paganism.

A friend of mine is into Wicca. My kind of satanism is more metaphorical however.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Yeah. That said, so does Wicca and paganism.

A friend of mine is into Wicca. My kind of satanism is more metaphorical however.

Would you be able to go into some detail?

[Nakena]

A friend of mine is into Wicca. My kind of satanism is more metaphorical however.

Would you be able to go into some detail?

Sure thing.

Metaphorically speaking, I consider Satanism to be an expression of our promethean and evolutionary drive and urge within us, to awaken and realize our potential to the fullest.

Which is really all we can do, or die trying, and hence the reason why we should not give up no matter the odds, until we can no more. Realizing our own mortality and limits (which we all have), pass the torch to the next generation for they be better and get a little further.

I do not see it as a quest or something that would lead to some supernatural objectives or the likes, but as necessarity for survival in an uncaring and unforgiving universe. Part of this is can also to be indulging in joys of life and existence; not out of hedonism ("fun") but out of life-affirming defiance. "Magick" is another interesting topic, but I view it mostly as an means to an end, and as something that can help to get mentally focussed.

This all of course puts me at odds with the abrahamist creed (and its morals) that is centered around malevolent and fraudulent abrahamist deities who seek nothing but unconditional worship and obedience of people and want deny further advance as they prefer it to keep people in their current vulnerable and subversient state.

In the context of abrahamism, I am insofar Satanist as I am gladly joining the rebellion against those anti-man intentions and tendencies.

So maybe more a metaphorical and philosophical viewpoint, however in abrahamist worldview I am taking a different role than what I would be from an atheist or non-religious perspective.

Hope this makes things more understandable.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

That does. In fact it puts a lot into perspective.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Why not?