LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Uiiop]

What makes you even consider such an heretical viewpoint? ^^

Eh, nothing. Whatever.

What else was it that you were even expecting?
Come on m8. Just spit it out.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Is it just me, or is Donald Trump a social leftist?

He ain't a social leftist.

[Nakena]

What makes you even consider such an heretical viewpoint? ^^

Eh, nothing. Whatever.

Donald Trump isn't a true believer in the GOPist ideology. He'd just fuels whatever fire burns the hottest to power his train.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Eh, nothing. Whatever.

Donald Trump isn't a true believer in the GOPist ideology. He'd just fuels whatever fire burns the hottest to power his train.

Trump isn’t really anything but whatever he wants to be that’ll make him “popular” or gets him votes.

[Pacomia]

Eh, nothing. Whatever.

Donald Trump isn't a true believer in the GOPist ideology. He'd just fuels whatever fire burns the hottest to power his train.

Yeah, sort of what I was thinking. I do think earlier in his campaign he was at least more leftist than he is now. I really think he has no social ideology.

[Pasong Tirad]

You're literally calling other cultures primitive and that they need to be "mercifully converted" how the flying fuck is that not racist? Is it not racism until after you turn them into good Christians at residential schools? Is it only racism once you've called someone the n word? Or do I have to hear you call me a monkey before I can call you racist because of technicalities because in your warped, definitely-not-leftist worldview, it's not racist to see other cultures (presumably also my own) as primitive to whatever culture in your head is the most "civilized."

Please.

All this "merciful conversion" shit reeks awfully similar to the "White Man's Burden" justification for Europeans going around the world and fucking up non-Europeans.

[Pasong Tirad]

Donald Trump isn't a true believer in the GOPist ideology. He'd just fuels whatever fire burns the hottest to power his train.

Yeah, sort of what I was thinking. I do think earlier in his campaign he was at least more leftist than he is now. I really think he has no social ideology.

By leftist, I'm assuming you mean socially liberal?

[United Muscovite Nations]

I've decided to finally reveal my power level, here's some quotes from a private discord chat by yours truly:

We have lost sight of the ultimate goal of our existence, which is to be redeemed.
The only way for us to be redeemed is through love of the Lord and love towards our neighbor, but we too often abuse ourselves and our fellow man in selfish pursuits
And yes, [REDACTED], that's part of why its so insidious, we become addicted to the worldly pleasures, so even when we realize that they are slowly killing us, we cannot stop. Our vices are literally designed to make people, even children, become addicted to them so that they will be consumer-slaves for their entire lives.

Ideally we would bring back the general strike, If even 15% of our population decided they would no longer participate in the bourgeois order, which right now is killing so many thousands in the third world and even in our own streets, then it would be the greatest crisis capitalism had ever faced and they would surely be forced to change their behavior.

To paraphrase Jaques Ellul, there are many people in our society who believe strongly in justice, but who do nothing because propaganda, the media, etc. has kept them in a state of obediance because the powers that control information don't want us to know that a better world is on the horizon.
Our rulers are fundamentally evil people, imo
How many hundreds of thousands have to die in Yemen to sate the hunger of the war profiteers for arms sales?
I think there is no way to ethically continue to buy into the system.

A truly virtuous person, though I'm not him, would do what Christ said, to sell all their possessions to the poor and live in the wilderness seeking only God.

I think the Unabomber was right on a lot of things, but I think he was wrong on violence. I'd describe myself as an absolute pacifist. I also strongly disagree with those who say that the path to reform is through the ballot box or political means. This is not possible, because the rule by procedure and coercion has safeguards to prevent itself from being dismantled constitutionally, moreover, this cannot lead to a cultural change, which is what is needed. Instead, as Confucius said, the revolution begins at home, with people living Godly values with their families, and then others seeing the virtue in this and changing their ways. If we all behave as virtuous men (and women) then government would be unnecessary.

[Kubra]

Provide an example where I am racist. If i have not spoken enough to determine, ask me a question that will better determine whether I am racist. Ad hominem attacks might as well have substance and I would prefer that you have a chance to prove your assertions.

You're literally calling other cultures primitive and that they need to be "mercifully converted" how the flying fuck is that not racist? Is it not racism until after you turn them into good Christians at residential schools? Is it only racism once you've called someone the n word? Or do I have to hear you call me a monkey before I can call you racist because of technicalities because in your warped, definitely-not-leftist worldview, it's not racist to see other cultures (presumably also my own) as primitive to whatever culture in your head is the most "civilized."

Please.

as a fun aside, the Soviet tried that with some of its far eastern tribes.

It went kind of well at first, wasn't terrible, but we'll you know who came on the scene and red Jesuits gave way to red conquistadors.

All in all, usually a *super* bad idea.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Is it just me, or is Donald Trump a social leftist?

Oh.

You're serious.

[Grand Proudhonia]

I've decided to finally reveal my power level, here's some quotes from a private discord chat by yours truly:

We have lost sight of the ultimate goal of our existence, which is to be redeemed.
The only way for us to be redeemed is through love of the Lord and love towards our neighbor, but we too often abuse ourselves and our fellow man in selfish pursuits
And yes, [REDACTED], that's part of why its so insidious, we become addicted to the worldly pleasures, so even when we realize that they are slowly killing us, we cannot stop. Our vices are literally designed to make people, even children, become addicted to them so that they will be consumer-slaves for their entire lives.

Ideally we would bring back the general strike, If even 15% of our population decided they would no longer participate in the bourgeois order, which right now is killing so many thousands in the third world and even in our own streets, then it would be the greatest crisis capitalism had ever faced and they would surely be forced to change their behavior.

To paraphrase Jaques Ellul, there are many people in our society who believe strongly in justice, but who do nothing because propaganda, the media, etc. has kept them in a state of obediance because the powers that control information don't want us to know that a better world is on the horizon.
Our rulers are fundamentally evil people, imo
How many hundreds of thousands have to die in Yemen to sate the hunger of the war profiteers for arms sales?
I think there is no way to ethically continue to buy into the system.

A truly virtuous person, though I'm not him, would do what Christ said, to sell all their possessions to the poor and live in the wilderness seeking only God.

I think the Unabomber was right on a lot of things, but I think he was wrong on violence. I'd describe myself as an absolute pacifist. I also strongly disagree with those who say that the path to reform is through the ballot box or political means. This is not possible, because the rule by procedure and coercion has safeguards to prevent itself from being dismantled constitutionally, moreover, this cannot lead to a cultural change, which is what is needed. Instead, as Confucius said, the revolution begins at home, with people living Godly values with their families, and then others seeing the virtue in this and changing their ways. If we all behave as virtuous men (and women) then government would be unnecessary.

Sadly a general strike is not going to be enough to end the state as we know it.... Yes, violence sucks and should always be the last possible option that is taken but men will not find reason in speech

[Freaneet]

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[Cekoviu]

I posted a separate thread, but it might get locked so it belongs on here probably.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=471423

I've come across several threads which are at the peak of misanthropy. Instead, I posit a solution: communism.

Think about it. What is the #1 cause of all the world's current problems? Inequality. What is another? Lack of resources, or rather lack of equal access to those resources. Under a potentially communist direction, we can not only own the means of production but also own the finished product equally.

By ensuring future generations have something to live for, we can no longer pretend that the current system works, or at least just tolerate the current system. We have to act. We have to do something else. And that is why communism will do this exact thing.

Cool. How do you propose making the whole world communist?

[Nakena]

I posted a separate thread, but it might get locked so it belongs on here probably.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=471423

I've come across several threads which are at the peak of misanthropy. Instead, I posit a solution: communism.

Think about it. What is the #1 cause of all the world's current problems? Inequality. What is another? Lack of resources, or rather lack of equal access to those resources. Under a potentially communist direction, we can not only own the means of production but also own the finished product equally.

By ensuring future generations have something to live for, we can no longer pretend that the current system works, or at least just tolerate the current system. We have to act. We have to do something else. And that is why communism will do this exact thing.

Cool. How do you propose making the whole world communist?

My guess

[Cappuccina]

Unfortunately, capitalism probably won't end on it's own. But let's at least try all our non-violent options first.

[First American Empire]

All this "merciful conversion" shit reeks awfully similar to the "White Man's Burden" justification for Europeans going around the world and fucking up non-Europeans.

What I see in this picture is the US and Britain intentionally forcing their colonies on a "path to civilization" that involves them forcing Barbarism, Oppression, Ignorance, Superstition, Vice, Brutality, Slavery, Cruelty, Cannibalism, and Corruption on colonized peoples, even though they could've just gone up the other side of the mountain and not done any of these things.

[North German Realm]

What I see in this picture is the US and Britain intentionally forcing their colonies on a "path to civilization" that involves them forcing Barbarism, Oppression, Ignorance, Superstition, Vice, Brutality, Slavery, Cruelty, Cannibalism, and Corruption on colonized peoples, even though they could've just gone up the other side of the mountain and not done any of these things.

Can't blame them, they can only "Teach" what they know. The shortcut -if it actually exists- was not known to them. The problem isn't that they were doing it "the wrong way". It's that they weren't doing it at all, nor were they planning to.

[Cerinda]

Cool. How do you propose making the whole world communist?

My guess

Ngl that was one of the best intros to a video game ever.

[Kubra]

What I see in this picture is the US and Britain intentionally forcing their colonies on a "path to civilization" that involves them forcing Barbarism, Oppression, Ignorance, Superstition, Vice, Brutality, Slavery, Cruelty, Cannibalism, and Corruption on colonized peoples, even though they could've just gone up the other side of the mountain and not done any of these things.

It's real perplexing in the US's case, cuz the territories they took were more or less "civilised" in the first place.

[Pasong Tirad]

What I see in this picture is the US and Britain intentionally forcing their colonies on a "path to civilization" that involves them forcing Barbarism, Oppression, Ignorance, Superstition, Vice, Brutality, Slavery, Cruelty, Cannibalism, and Corruption on colonized peoples, even though they could've just gone up the other side of the mountain and not done any of these things.

It's real perplexing in the US's case, cuz the territories they took were more or less "civilised" in the first place.

Now now, it's not civilized unless the whole population is displaced by Spanish settlers and unless the barbarian natives do away with the Pope for good old enlightened American Protestantism, and unless the whole population submits to the rule of benevolent white masters and gives them basically all of their resources.

[Kubra]

It's real perplexing in the US's case, cuz the territories they took were more or less "civilised" in the first place.

Now now, it's not civilized unless the whole population is displaced by Spanish settlers and unless the barbarian natives do away with the Pope for good old enlightened American Protestantism, and unless the whole population submits to the rule of benevolent white masters and gives them basically all of their resources.

like the biggest ??? moment is McKinley saying he's gonna Christianize the Philippines, like aren't they already??????

[Grand Proudhonia]

What I see in this picture is the US and Britain intentionally forcing their colonies on a "path to civilization" that involves them forcing Barbarism, Oppression, Ignorance, Superstition, Vice, Brutality, Slavery, Cruelty, Cannibalism, and Corruption on colonized peoples, even though they could've just gone up the other side of the mountain and not done any of these things.

It's real perplexing in the US's case, cuz the territories they took were more or less "civilised" in the first place.

Depends on your definition of civilised

[First American Empire]

What I see in this picture is the US and Britain intentionally forcing their colonies on a "path to civilization" that involves them forcing Barbarism, Oppression, Ignorance, Superstition, Vice, Brutality, Slavery, Cruelty, Cannibalism, and Corruption on colonized peoples, even though they could've just gone up the other side of the mountain and not done any of these things.

It's real perplexing in the US's case, cuz the territories they took were more or less "civilised" in the first place.

The US kidnapped them from the top higher up the cartoon's Civilization Mountain and dragged them down to its own level.

[North German Realm]

It's real perplexing in the US's case, cuz the territories they took were more or less "civilised" in the first place.

The US kidnapped them from the top of the cartoon's Civilization Mountain and dragged them down to its own level.

While I don't get where you get your hate-boner for America from, I must admit you correct in this scenario.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

While I don't get where you get your hate-boner for America from, I must admit you correct in this scenario.

While we can all agree that colonialism is generally bad, suggesting the Philippines and Cuba were the peak of civilisation is tenuous, to say the least.