LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

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Only one of those was a joke.
Make no mistake, I do not at all like Bush (which is different from having a weird obsession with the Bush years, believe it or not), but Trump is twice as bad on all of those counts.

Trump hasn't started a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Trump is providing material support to the Saudis who are killing hundreds of thousands of people in Yemen. We can debate about the level of responsibility of every party complicit in mass murder but by no means does Trump have clean hands.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Orange Man isn't bad.

He's really bad.

[Nakena]

Trump hasn't started a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Trump is providing material support to the Saudis who are killing hundreds of thousands of people in Yemen. We can debate about the level of responsibility of every party complicit in mass murder but by no means does Trump have clean hands.

Trump didn started the War in the middle east. As yor the Yemen desaster, thats a shitshow and mostly attributed to saudi cowardice because they don't have the guts to start an actual ground assault.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Trump is providing material support to the Saudis who are killing hundreds of thousands of people in Yemen. We can debate about the level of responsibility of every party complicit in mass murder but by no means does Trump have clean hands.

Trump didn started the War in the middle east. As yor the Yemen desaster, thats a shitshow and mostly attributed to saudi cowardice because they don't have the guts to start an actual ground assault.

Tbf that's pretty smart of them. Arab armies are incapable of fighting their ways out of wet paper bags for the most part.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Trump didn started the War in the middle east. As yor the Yemen desaster, thats a shitshow and mostly attributed to saudi cowardice because they don't have the guts to start an actual ground assault.

Tbf that's pretty smart of them. Arab armies are incapable of fighting their ways out of wet paper bags for the most part.

I learnt that from studying the Six Day War.

[North German Realm]

Trump didn started the War in the middle east. As yor the Yemen desaster, thats a shitshow and mostly attributed to saudi cowardice because they don't have the guts to start an actual ground assault.

Tbf that's pretty smart of them. Arab armies are incapable of fighting their ways out of wet paper bags for the most part.

There's also the fact that fighting fanatical guerrillas funded by your rival neighbor on the ground is not generally a good idea. The airstrikes are not just justified but necessary imo. If Yemen can't get its shit together and clear the Houthi vermin, someone else should.

[Nakena]

Tbf that's pretty smart of them. Arab armies are incapable of fighting their ways out of wet paper bags for the most part.

There's also the fact that fighting fanatical guerrillas funded by your rival neighbor on the ground is not generally a good idea. The airstrikes are not just justified but necessary imo. If Yemen can't get its shit together and clear the Houthi vermin, someone else should.

Nah its because the Saudi army cannot stage something thats called ground assault. So they keep messing around without getting anything done. Hell I recall having read their planes always stay at high altitudes, so afraid they are of combat.

For which I would have of course a solution.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbf that's pretty smart of them. Arab armies are incapable of fighting their ways out of wet paper bags for the most part.

I learnt that from studying the Six Day War.

This is an oldie but still a goodie, very little has changed since it was written.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

I learnt that from studying the Six Day War.

This is an oldie but still a goodie, very little has changed since it was written.

This giving me flashbacks to 2013/14 when we did the Israeli-Palestine conflict, as well as events in the Middle East post 1945.

[Soviet Tankistan]

I am so racist that I believe every race is equal and disagreeing is evil. I am am reactionary that I support high wages, LGBT rights, state modernization and progress of religion, hierarchy only when necessary, cohesion of all races, and public needs for everyone.

I do not believe any individual problem is awful, but everyone single one divides and destroys humanity. We're no closer to morality despite great advances. We still repeat the same actions that we condemned our ancestors for. What's changed? Technology only. But technology is not at fault, irresponsibility and harmful identity movements on every side persist.Human unity in culture and practice is the sole solution.

That is human nature and it changes and evolves only very slowly. Even worse when systems and ideologies are actively in denial or ignorance thereof. Or even working against it.

The human race exists much longer than our still very young and primitive civilization that is only a few thousend years old.

The causes of issues were started by the elites and carried out by slaves to the masters. Modern ruling class influenced culture caused these above issues and neither faction wishes to improve the lives of over 95% of humanity.

Dangerous pitfall that is there. "All evil in the world is caused by single-factor [INSERT NAME]" is a reductionist, totalitarian approach that wont get you anywere. But in the gutter.

Or to the redpill that the "elite" are Jews, Reptilians etc.

Stuff like that is precisely why I am opposed to marxism.

I am not a Marxist. The rulers by definition have an influence over human behaviors and trick the 95+% for their own gain. Not all evil is caused by the capitalists alone, but hate is incited by the wealthy and carried out by the poor.

[Uan aa Boa]

One day I was to be "persecuted" by one of the elites who felt threatened and offended by none other than my views, which never supported hate. I left the absolute clown show and they insulted me for sparing the absurdity.

Look mate, you were posting all that stuff about how primitive, pagan, native cultures should not be allowed to keep their reactionary identity and should instead be forcibly integrated into superior Abrahamic culture which would be used by the state as a tool for indoctrination. That's as racist and colonialist as fuck, not only in the conclusion you reach but in the assumptions and attitudes you have to start from in order to get there. While ideas like that will get a hearing on NSG, The Leftist Assembly is expressly and constitutionally opposed to that kind of far right bollocks, so you shouldn't be acting all surprised that you wore out your welcome at about that point.

[Nakena]

Look mate, you were posting all that stuff about how primitive, pagan, native cultures should not be allowed to keep their reactionary identity and should instead be forcibly integrated into superior Abrahamic culture which would be used by the state as a tool for indoctrination. That's as racist and colonialist as fuck, not only in the conclusion you reach but in the assumptions and attitudes you have to start from in order to get there. While ideas like that will get a hearing on NSG, The Leftist Assembly is expressly and constitutionally opposed to that kind of far right bollocks, so you shouldn't be acting all surprised that you wore out your welcome at about that point.

Oof. I would not have thought that I'd ever agree so much here.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Isn't that interesting?

[Kubra]

This is an oldie but still a goodie, very little has changed since it was written.

This giving me flashbacks to 2013/14 when we did the Israeli-Palestine conflict, as well as events in the Middle East post 1945. Every time we got to a new unit, we used to bet on how the Arab nations' army screwed up. Then we stopped betting because some poor sod eventually realised that they always did.

It sucks but it's true, they just really, really suck at war. In most cases, a good skill to have as I don't like war. As a matter of urgency in defence of your sovereignty and to expand your territories, though, perhaps the worst thing is to be inept at even ambushing your enemy.

this is partially unfair to the Arabs. Many armies are made deliberately weak out of fear of their effects on civil institutions. The Arab states are just, um, well it's a bit daft to send such armies into actual war, isn't it? Colombia, for instance, isn't dumb enough to declare war on, I don't know, Venezuela.

[Liriena]

Leftists: who is better, Donald Trump or George W. Bush?

Trump may be a psychotic weirdo but he's hurt the cause of neoliberal capitalism and hasn't started any endless wars for oil.

Bush still has the higher body count, so he was arguably worse in that regard. Trump is a worse person on an individual level, but at least he doesn't have the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on his hands.

[Pasong Tirad]

Provide an example where I am racist. If i have not spoken enough to determine, ask me a question that will better determine whether I am racist. Ad hominem attacks might as well have substance and I would prefer that you have a chance to prove your assertions.

You're literally calling other cultures primitive and that they need to be "mercifully converted" how the flying fuck is that not racist? Is it not racism until after you turn them into good Christians at residential schools? Is it only racism once you've called someone the n word? Or do I have to hear you call me a monkey before I can call you racist because of technicalities because in your warped, definitely-not-leftist worldview, it's not racist to see other cultures (presumably also my own) as primitive to whatever culture in your head is the most "civilized."

Please.

[Nakena]

I am not a Marxist.

Good on you but...

The rulers by definition have an influence over human behaviors and trick the 95+% for their own gain. Not all evil is caused by the capitalists alone, but hate is incited by the wealthy and carried out by the poor.

So who are the rulers? They seem to be some, special sort of humans different from the others the way you describe it...

[Torrocca]

Provide an example where I am racist. If i have not spoken enough to determine, ask me a question that will better determine whether I am racist. Ad hominem attacks might as well have substance and I would prefer that you have a chance to prove your assertions.

You're literally calling other cultures primitive and that they need to be "mercifully converted" how the flying fuck is that not racist? Is it not racism until after you turn them into good Christians at residential schools? Is it only racism once you've called someone the n word? Or do I have to hear you call me a monkey before I can call you racist because of technicalities because in your warped, definitely-not-leftist worldview, it's not racist to see other cultures (presumably also my own) as primitive to whatever culture in your head is the most "civilized."

Please.

All this "merciful conversion" shit reeks awfully similar to the "White Man's Burden" justification for Europeans going around the world and fucking up non-Europeans.

[Nakena]

You're literally calling other cultures primitive and that they need to be "mercifully converted" how the flying fuck is that not racist? Is it not racism until after you turn them into good Christians at residential schools? Is it only racism once you've called someone the n word? Or do I have to hear you call me a monkey before I can call you racist because of technicalities because in your warped, definitely-not-leftist worldview, it's not racist to see other cultures (presumably also my own) as primitive to whatever culture in your head is the most "civilized."

Please.

All this "merciful conversion" shit reeks awfully similar to the "White Man's Burden" justification for Europeans going around the world and fucking up non-Europeans.

Merciful conversion in Gulag or Xi's Summer Camps.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

It is.

It is bad.

Wrong.

Not at all.

[Pacomia]

Is it just me, or is Donald Trump a social leftist?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Is it just me, or is Donald Trump a social leftist?

Dubious.

[Nakena]

Is it just me, or is Donald Trump a social leftist?

What makes you even consider such an heretical viewpoint? ^^

[Pacomia]

Is it just me, or is Donald Trump a social leftist?

What makes you even consider such an heretical viewpoint? ^^

Eh, nothing. Whatever.

[Cekoviu]

Is it just me, or is Donald Trump a social leftist?

Racism and misogyny are indeed generally associated with social egalitarianism.