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by United Muscovite Nations » Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:53 pm
by Northern Davincia » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:11 pm
Byzconia wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:It's good enough that people flee from my state to move there. Living in a Democrat's paradise has the nasty habit of driving folks out.
I mean, is there any real evidence that flight from your state is any worse than most others? Also, aren't most of the people who move to FL older people who want the warmer weather and lower taxes? That's not exactly a brain drain, like my Blue Dog (so, basically, moderate-Republicans-in-drag) state has been suffering for literal decades from the lack of jobs here. Hell, the only reason I'm still here is because I don't have the resources to leave yet (due to aforementioned lack of jobs), though I'm working on it. And once I do leave, they'll never see me again; this state fucking blows.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by The East Marches II » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:12 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Byzconia wrote:I mean, is there any real evidence that flight from your state is any worse than most others? Also, aren't most of the people who move to FL older people who want the warmer weather and lower taxes? That's not exactly a brain drain, like my Blue Dog (so, basically, moderate-Republicans-in-drag) state has been suffering for literal decades from the lack of jobs here. Hell, the only reason I'm still here is because I don't have the resources to leave yet (due to aforementioned lack of jobs), though I'm working on it. And once I do leave, they'll never see me again; this state fucking blows.
It's not just warmer weather and lower taxes, otherwise emigration from New York would not be in excess of 1,000,000 since 2011. It's a restrictive economic environment and baffling levels of corruption. The proof is in our lost House seats.
California is in a similar rut.
by Northern Davincia » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:18 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:It's not just warmer weather and lower taxes, otherwise emigration from New York would not be in excess of 1,000,000 since 2011. It's a restrictive economic environment and baffling levels of corruption. The proof is in our lost House seats.
California is in a similar rut.
So is Illinois. Which is the worst out of those three financially. It's bleeding to death by people fleeing.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by The East Marches II » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:19 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:The East Marches II wrote:
So is Illinois. Which is the worst out of those three financially. It's bleeding to death by people fleeing.Your pizza is to blame for Illinois' woesI would wager that New York suffers more as a state. Our budget shortfalls are continually made worse by tax-and-spend politicians.
by Happpy » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:20 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:The Empires ideology is so completely ridiculous because it necessitates the destruction of planets in revolt, which necessarily pretty heavily empowers the planets you're using as a supply chain to build your stupid superweapons and turns the entire affair into a gigantic money pit.
Is this what Palpatine wanted to do with his time? Take over, sit in a chair, gaze out into space, and order everyone to build stupid superweapons?
That's not exactly power. I mean, it's a kind of power I guess, but it's the dumb kind.
We saw from the first movie that a blockade brought a planet to its knees, and that shit was a renegade force, not the entire Imperial fleet. That's like, obviously a better way of doing things?
by The Liberated Territories » Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:25 am
The East Marches II wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:Your pizza is to blame for Illinois' woesI would wager that New York suffers more as a state. Our budget shortfalls are continually made worse by tax-and-spend politicians.
I wouldn't be surprised. Chicago is on the verge of bankruptcy here. Our governor and friends have the Feds looking into them. Yet another may bite the dust in a corruption probe. GG no re.
Edit: on the note of pizza you're right. Most places have gone to shit. It's money laundering fronts using shitty pizza. Pathetic really.
by Totenborg » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:41 am
Northern Davincia wrote:Byzconia wrote:Florida is shit, tho. People I know from the Deep South literally insist that "Florida isn't the South" because they don't want to be associated with "America's wang."
It's good enough that people flee from my state to move there. Living in a Democrat's paradise has the nasty habit of driving folks out.
by Benuty » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:28 am
by Joohan » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:51 am
by Byzconia » Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:08 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Byzconia wrote:I mean, is there any real evidence that flight from your state is any worse than most others? Also, aren't most of the people who move to FL older people who want the warmer weather and lower taxes? That's not exactly a brain drain, like my Blue Dog (so, basically, moderate-Republicans-in-drag) state has been suffering for literal decades from the lack of jobs here. Hell, the only reason I'm still here is because I don't have the resources to leave yet (due to aforementioned lack of jobs), though I'm working on it. And once I do leave, they'll never see me again; this state fucking blows.
It's not just warmer weather and lower taxes, otherwise emigration from New York would not be in excess of 1,000,000 since 2011. It's a restrictive economic environment and baffling levels of corruption. The proof is in our lost House seats.
California is in a similar rut.
by Byzconia » Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:13 pm
Joohan wrote:Totenborg wrote:If you lived in the Deep South for a few years, you'd change your mind.
That's usually for things like a lack of educational facilities and proper infrastructure. It sucks there because the people start out poor. I'm from Illinois, and despite us being, in my humble opinion, greatly blessed with the best soil in the entire world, the Mississippi river, and amble coal reserves, people are being made poor by our ungodly corrupt state government, and the constant meddling of Chicago.
Joe schmoe can afford to live in rural Kentucky, but he can't afford to live in Rural Illinois.
by Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:38 pm
Byzconia wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:It's not just warmer weather and lower taxes, otherwise emigration from New York would not be in excess of 1,000,000 since 2011. It's a restrictive economic environment and baffling levels of corruption. The proof is in our lost House seats.
California is in a similar rut.
I'd need to see some actual data in order to make an informed statement on this. Specifically, emigration-immigration levels across the US and economic statistics for each state. I'm kind of interested in knowing about this myself, so I'll probably look it up later on my own time (but if you have anything you'd like to contribute in that regard, feel free).
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:52 pm
by Totenborg » Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:59 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Totenborg wrote:If you lived in the Deep South for a few years, you'd change your mind.
I doubt it. Everyone I know that has left NY loves Texas and Florida.Byzconia wrote:I'd need to see some actual data in order to make an informed statement on this. Specifically, emigration-immigration levels across the US and economic statistics for each state. I'm kind of interested in knowing about this myself, so I'll probably look it up later on my own time (but if you have anything you'd like to contribute in that regard, feel free).
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/st ... 362167002/
https://www.pressconnects.com/story/new ... 482885002/
It is a travesty.
by Byzconia » Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:01 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:I doubt it. Everyone I know that has left NY loves Texas and Florida.
by Totenborg » Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:09 pm
by Pasong Tirad » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:28 pm
by Byzconia » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:26 pm
Pasong Tirad wrote:The year's almost over. I want to spread a little positivity here and there. The international Left has had its victories and its defeats. From the Portuguese left gaining a lot of ground to the UK Labour getting their ass handed to them.
What do you think was the most important? Could be your favorite moment, could be what you think got (or should be getting) most of the world's attention, or it could be a defeat or a victory you think we can learn a lot from and do better in 2020.
by Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:28 pm
Totenborg wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:I doubt it. Everyone I know that has left NY loves Texas and Florida.
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/st ... 362167002/
https://www.pressconnects.com/story/new ... 482885002/
It is a travesty.
Your friends must live in one of the cities.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Proctopeo » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:47 pm
Byzconia wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:The year's almost over. I want to spread a little positivity here and there. The international Left has had its victories and its defeats. From the Portuguese left gaining a lot of ground to the UK Labour getting their ass handed to them.
What do you think was the most important? Could be your favorite moment, could be what you think got (or should be getting) most of the world's attention, or it could be a defeat or a victory you think we can learn a lot from and do better in 2020.
I'm very proud of the Morales governments successes in Bolivia. Obviously the coup is a huge problem that's going to get ignored by the Western press and lead to thousands, if not millions, of deaths going forward,
but we should also recognize that the coup itself was a direct result of the Movement for Socialism's success in terms of both policy and popular support.
It showed both that democratic socialism can win and also demonstrates the willingness of the right (at least in some places) to jump to violence when electoralism fails.
It lays bare that their loyalty is to power and money rather than the people.
by Byzconia » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:38 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Blah blah blah le coup meme, more to the point is that mass death is only likely if Morales incites a civil war or gets someone to invade to put him backon the thronein office.
Not really, since his popular support dipped enough that he had to cheat to win again without contest... which almost worked, until people cried foul.
Again, Morales cheated.
Notably, the transition of power didn't seem to be very violent - the military and police expressed a refusal to support him, and he and his pals fled to Mexico. It could've been violent if he remained in power anyway, though likely at the hands of a civilian or a militia, not the military or police.
Morales's actions have made it clear that his loyalty is with power and his specific portion of Bolivia's indigenous population. Worst case scenario, loyalties shift laterally.
As for my thoughts on the original question, Morales cheating,
Labour crashing and burning,
Not sure on the positive, though there certainly was some.[/source]
Like a leftist being elected President of Argentina and the appointment of Finland's new prime minister.TikTok?
by Torrocca » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:51 pm
Byzconia wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:The year's almost over. I want to spread a little positivity here and there. The international Left has had its victories and its defeats. From the Portuguese left gaining a lot of ground to the UK Labour getting their ass handed to them.
What do you think was the most important? Could be your favorite moment, could be what you think got (or should be getting) most of the world's attention, or it could be a defeat or a victory you think we can learn a lot from and do better in 2020.
I'm very proud of the Morales governments successes in Bolivia. Obviously the coup is a huge problem that's going to get ignored by the Western press and lead to thousands, if not millions, of deaths going forward, but we should also recognize that the coup itself was a direct result of the Movement for Socialism's success in terms of both policy and popular support. It showed both that democratic socialism can win and also demonstrates the willingness of the right (at least in some places) to jump to violence when electoralism fails. It lays bare that their loyalty is to power and money rather than the people.
by Byzconia » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:58 pm
Torrocca wrote:Byzconia wrote:I'm very proud of the Morales governments successes in Bolivia. Obviously the coup is a huge problem that's going to get ignored by the Western press and lead to thousands, if not millions, of deaths going forward, but we should also recognize that the coup itself was a direct result of the Movement for Socialism's success in terms of both policy and popular support. It showed both that democratic socialism can win and also demonstrates the willingness of the right (at least in some places) to jump to violence when electoralism fails. It lays bare that their loyalty is to power and money rather than the people.
The people, by and large, haven't given up on the Movement For Socialism nor Morales despite the coup. Hopefully, thanks to that, we'll be seeing Socialism's return to Bolivia soon.
by Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:05 pm
Torrocca wrote:Byzconia wrote:I'm very proud of the Morales governments successes in Bolivia. Obviously the coup is a huge problem that's going to get ignored by the Western press and lead to thousands, if not millions, of deaths going forward, but we should also recognize that the coup itself was a direct result of the Movement for Socialism's success in terms of both policy and popular support. It showed both that democratic socialism can win and also demonstrates the willingness of the right (at least in some places) to jump to violence when electoralism fails. It lays bare that their loyalty is to power and money rather than the people.
The people, by and large, haven't given up on the Movement For Socialism nor Morales despite the coup. Hopefully, thanks to that, we'll be seeing Socialism's return to Bolivia soon.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
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