LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Genivaria]

Didn't stop the genocide of the Cathars, either.

I mean, I'm not sure what you two want Lumi to do. She can't go back in time and stop those actions.

I was taking a shot at the Portuguese for one, not Lumi.
I like Lumi.

[Northern Davincia]

Daily reminder that Rothbard very literally wanted it to be permissible for children to have sex regardless of their own age (and, presumably, regardless of the age of the person they're having sex with, given that the whole article I linked is him trying to justify that kids are perfect equals to adults when it comes to matters of consent), as is emphasized by this quote:

"It has, indeed, been estimated that from one-quarter to one-half of "juvenile delinquents" currently incarcerated by the state did not commit acts that would be considered crimes if committed by adults (i.e., aggression against person and property).19 The "crimes" of these children were in exercising their freedom in ways disliked by the minions of the state: truancy "incorrigibility," running away. Between the sexes, it is particularly girl children who are jailed in this way for "immoral" rather than truly criminal actions. The percentage of girls jailed for immorality ("waywardness," sexual relations) rather than for genuine crimes ranges from 50 to over 80 percent.20"

Did you not read my answer to this? We do not have definitions for what Rothbard is speaking about.

Additionally, Rothbard only stated that a parent has no obligation to care for their child, he did not say that their enslavement was permissible.

Yes, that makes it sooo much better. Aren't you supposed to be pro-life?

I don't want children to die from neglect, which sets me apart from Rothbard.

Slap on some regulations and you have something preferable to the current methods of adoption.

> “Slap on regulations.”
I’m sorry what? No. Absolutely not. This is utterly abhorrent. You’re supposed to be a Catholic. Drop this piece of trash Rothbard like a hot potato.

Parents wishing to adopt already have to pay large sums of money. How is that any different?

[Salus Maior]

Didn't stop Portugal from starting the Atlantic Slave Trade.

Didn't stop the genocide of the Cathars, either.

I don't know how relevant that is to the conversation, aside from taking a potshot at a political reality that hasn't existed in centuries.

[Pasong Tirad]

Yes, that makes it sooo much better. Aren't you supposed to be pro-life?

I don't want children to die from neglect, which sets me apart from Rothbard.

Yeah, children dying is bad but them being sold off in a free market is absolutely, perfectly fine.

[Northern Davincia]

I don't want children to die from neglect, which sets me apart from Rothbard.

Yeah, children dying is bad but them being sold off in a free market is absolutely, perfectly fine.

How is it any more immoral than what is done with adoption practices now? A typical adoption can cost tens of thousands of dollars.

[Kowani]

Yeah, children dying is bad but them being sold off in a free market is absolutely, perfectly fine.

How is it any more immoral than what is done with adoption practices now? A typical adoption can cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Besides the vetting of potential parents and lack of a profit motive?

[Northern Davincia]

How is it any more immoral than what is done with adoption practices now? A typical adoption can cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Besides the vetting of potential parents and lack of a profit motive?

It is not inconceivable that vetting would be required in an open adoption market. Adoption agencies seem to work on the profit motive already.

[Kowani]

Besides the vetting of potential parents and lack of a profit motive?

It is not inconceivable that vetting would be required in an open adoption market.

Entirely wrong. You assume that an open child market would function for the exact same reason that adoption would today, but that is simply untrue.

Adoption agencies seem to work on the profit motive already.

Only some of them.

[Lamoni]

Communal concils:

1. Yes, the people kill Monarchs. That is something that must happen. with the exception of the children, it is suppose to happen.
Maoist china dealt with the Qing Emperor differently, Emperor Puyi of the Qing Empire and Manchuria was forgiven by the Maoist.
However, Puyi already lost most of his power by the time the Communist take him.

This is advocating death. That is not a thing that we condone here, even if Marxist doctrine requires it be done. *** 3-day ban for advocating death ***

[Pasong Tirad]

Yeah, children dying is bad but them being sold off in a free market is absolutely, perfectly fine.

How is it any more immoral than what is done with adoption practices now? A typical adoption can cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Because the goal isn't to find a loving family for the kids - the goal is to profit.

[Cappuccina]

How is it any more immoral than what is done with adoption practices now? A typical adoption can cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Because the goal isn't to find a loving family for the kids - the goal is to profit.

Yup, literally putting a price on someone and selling them.

[Grenartia]

I've shown where he did a few months back. You just ignored it.

You didn't show anything, you made a bunch of extrapolations.

It has, indeed, been estimated that from one-quarter to one-half of "juvenile delinquents" currently incarcerated by the state did not commit acts that would be considered crimes if committed by adults (i.e., aggression against person and property).19 The "crimes" of these children were in exercising their freedom in ways disliked by the minions of the state: truancy "incorrigibility," running away. Between the sexes, it is particularly girl children who are jailed in this way for "immoral" rather than truly criminal actions. The percentage of girls jailed for immorality ("waywardness," sexual relations) rather than for genuine crimes ranges from 50 to over 80 percent.

You see, the immorality Rothbard speaks of lacks any definition. From that quote alone, we have no idea what kind of sexual relations he is referring to. Sodomy laws existed until 2003, long after the publication of The Ethics of Liberty.
Additionally, Rothbard only stated that a parent has no obligation to care for their child, he did not say that their enslavement was permissible.

He all but explicitly states that children should be able to have sex with anyone (and implicitly that anyone should be able to have sex with children). He also explicitly says that people should be able to buy children. Which is literally slavery. There is no reason to believe he would not oppose combining the two, based on his writing. There you fucking have it. Child sex slavery is ok according to Uncle Murray.

[Grenartia]

Additionally, Rothbard only stated that a parent has no obligation to care for their child, he did not say that their enslavement was permissible.

Yes, that makes it sooo much better. Aren't you supposed to be pro-life?

Abortion removes a potential baby that can be sold, after all.

Yeah, children dying is bad but them being sold off in a free market is absolutely, perfectly fine.

How is it any more immoral than what is done with adoption practices now? A typical adoption can cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Implying everyone criticizing the idea of buying children supports that.

[The East Marches II]

You didn't show anything, you made a bunch of extrapolations.

You see, the immorality Rothbard speaks of lacks any definition. From that quote alone, we have no idea what kind of sexual relations he is referring to. Sodomy laws existed until 2003, long after the publication of The Ethics of Liberty.
Additionally, Rothbard only stated that a parent has no obligation to care for their child, he did not say that their enslavement was permissible.

He all but explicitly states that children should be able to have sex with anyone (and implicitly that anyone should be able to have sex with children). He also explicitly says that people should be able to buy children. Which is literally slavery. There is no reason to believe he would not oppose combining the two, based on his writing. There you fucking have it. Child sex slavery is ok according to Uncle Murray.

That just puts him to steps behind Foucault and Sartre really :^)

[Pasong Tirad]

There are only two great Murrays: Murray Bookchin and Bill Murray.

Murray "but we should be allowed to sell kids tho" Rothbard can shove it.

[Grenartia]

He all but explicitly states that children should be able to have sex with anyone (and implicitly that anyone should be able to have sex with children). He also explicitly says that people should be able to buy children. Which is literally slavery. There is no reason to believe he would not oppose combining the two, based on his writing. There you fucking have it. Child sex slavery is ok according to Uncle Murray.

That just puts him to steps behind Foucault and Sartre really :^)

Ok, and...? Do you think I have some kind of emotional attachment to them or something?

[The East Marches II]

That just puts him to steps behind Foucault and Sartre really :^)

Ok, and...? Do you think I have some kind of emotional attachment to them or something?

No, it was a pot shot at those two for being unregenerate degenerates while being beloved to a level that Mr. Rothbard could only dream of.

[Kubra]

Ok, and...? Do you think I have some kind of emotional attachment to them or something?

No, it was a pot shot at those two for being unregenerate degenerates while being beloved to a level that Mr. Rothbard could only dream of.

How was Sartre a "degenerate" tho? I mean sure he had orgies with Simon, but I mean if you haven't been in an orgy have you really even *been* to Paris?
Open a window to let the sex stank out and the piss stank in, and it's only a Tuesday night.

[The East Marches II]

No, it was a pot shot at those two for being unregenerate degenerates while being beloved to a level that Mr. Rothbard could only dream of.

How was Sartre a "degenerate" tho? I mean sure he had orgies with Simon, but I mean if you haven't been in an orgy have you really even *been* to Paris?
Open a window to let the sex stank out and the piss stank in, and it's only a Tuesday night.

I guess I've never really been to Paris. Feels bad man.

[Kubra]

How was Sartre a "degenerate" tho? I mean sure he had orgies with Simon, but I mean if you haven't been in an orgy have you really even *been* to Paris?
Open a window to let the sex stank out and the piss stank in, and it's only a Tuesday night.

I guess I've never really been to Paris. Feels bad man.

Don't worry.
Neither have I.
I open the window to let out the alcoholism stank.

[The East Marches II]

I guess I've never really been to Paris. Feels bad man.

Don't worry.
Neither have I.
I open the window to let out the alcoholism stank.

Did you shitpost either online or verbally while abroad?

[Kubra]

Don't worry.
Neither have I.
I open the window to let out the alcoholism stank.

Did you shitpost either online or verbally while abroad?

What, and talk to ghosts? North American timezones are the only timezones that matter.

[Pasong Tirad]

Did you shitpost either online or verbally while abroad?

What, and talk to ghosts? North American timezones are the only timezones that matter.

You're literally an immigrant lol

[The East Marches II]

Did you shitpost either online or verbally while abroad?

What, and talk to ghosts? North American timezones are the only timezones that matter.

Shots fired!

I was disappointed in Paris tbh, it was absolutely filthy and everywhere smelled of piss. It seemed as organized open air whorehouse. I preferred other places while I was in country.

[The East Marches II]

What, and talk to ghosts? North American timezones are the only timezones that matter.

You're literally an immigrant lol

So? He isn't wrong :^)