LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Communal concils]

>murdering children and peasants is based
:thonking:

so climactic variance, drought and salty kulaks are inherently socialist now?

Did you know that Joseph Stalin payed the Clouds not to rain, those filthy commies love him.

[The New California Republic]

Ordering the Tsar's family executed, purging rival socialists, imprisoning and executing thousands of peasants and striking workers, founding the Cheka, etc.? The man was quite a monster who created the conditions for Stalin to rule.

I'm not even a Trot or ML, and my opinion is that this is Very based.

[United Muscovite Nations]

>murdering children and peasants is based
:thonking:

so climactic variance, drought and salty kulaks are inherently socialist now?

>shootings and hangings are climactic variance and drought

[United Muscovite Nations]

>murdering children and peasants is based
:thonking:

The thing about the Tsar's Execution is that it was base on legitimate reasons. Feudalism, the "Great" war, and the aristocrat privilege of the family cause the killing of the family.
As for the children, I find it unfortunate.
The Peasants and opposition Proletariat were a enemy of war. You may say that they were just political dissidence, but all states in wars suppress those that are seen as a threat to it's survival. That's way America made the American Nazi Party illegal in ww2 , and it's also the reason why authoritarians states( and rebel groups) tend to do a annual Purge on party members.

The only reason the Peasants and part of the proletariat were the "enemy" was that the Bolsheviks dissolved their own government to justify purging their less-radical allies in the civil war.

[Communal concils]

I'm not even a Trot or ML, and my opinion is that this is Very based.

Yes, but I don't see how memes are helpful.

[Communal concils]

The thing about the Tsar's Execution is that it was base on legitimate reasons. Feudalism, the "Great" war, and the aristocrat privilege of the family cause the killing of the family.
As for the children, I find it unfortunate.
The Peasants and opposition Proletariat were a enemy of war. You may say that they were just political dissidence, but all states in wars suppress those that are seen as a threat to it's survival. That's way America made the American Nazi Party illegal in ww2 , and it's also the reason why authoritarians states( and rebel groups) tend to do a annual Purge on party members.

The only reason the Peasants and part of the proletariat were the "enemy" was that the Bolsheviks dissolved their own government to justify purging their less-radical allies in the civil war.

Okay. I wouldn't really care, Because I'm a Ultra-sectarian. I always support left-wing backstabbing, such things are proof that your not a utopian.

[Loben The 2nd]

I'm not even a Trot or ML, and my opinion is that this is Very based.

>murdering children and peasants is based
:thonking:

dont forget the rape of the children of said Tsar.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The only reason the Peasants and part of the proletariat were the "enemy" was that the Bolsheviks dissolved their own government to justify purging their less-radical allies in the civil war.

Okay. I wouldn't really care, Because I'm a Ultra-sectarian. I always support left-wing backstabbing, such things are proof that your not a utopian.

Not really, it's just proof that your interests are more sectarian than working class.

[United Muscovite Nations]

>murdering children and peasants is based
:thonking:

dont forget the rape of the children of said Tsar.

While the bodies were violated, no rape happened while they were alive.

[The New California Republic]

I'm not even a Trot or ML, and my opinion is that this is Very based.

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Yes, but I don't see how memes are helpful.

They are very helpful in highlighting the fucking absurdity of what you just said.

[The New California Republic]

They are very helpful in highlighting the fucking absurdity of what you just said.

Disagree, agree with the absurdity aspect but when people use that in place of arguments or thinking opponents are absurd-look at political twitter-it is more trouble than it's worth inherently, in my eyes.

I mean if it is to counter an argument then absolutely, but in this case it wasn't.

[Communal concils]

Memes are not arguments


When will the internet realize this

It will only realize this when the apocalypse happens.

[Communal concils]

dont forget the rape of the children of said Tsar.

Wait what?

If this happened, then it was the fault of the soldiers rather than Lenin's command. I would like some sources.

People forget that the lowest grunts of a state apparatus can have autonomy with certain decisions. For example, the Presidents The United states does not tell every cop to shoot people.

[Communal concils]

Disagree, agree with the absurdity aspect but when people use that in place of arguments or thinking opponents are absurd-look at political twitter-it is more trouble than it's worth inherently, in my eyes.

I mean if it is to counter an argument then absolutely, but in this case it wasn't.

In a Nutshell, Your saying that your too Lazy. Wow, you destroyed me with "facts" and "logic".

[The New California Republic]

I mean if it is to counter an argument then absolutely, but in this case it wasn't.

In a Nutshell, Your saying that your too Lazy. Wow, you destroyed me with "facts" and "logic".

...says the guy lazily using the same gif I just used. Oh the fucking irony man, oh the fucking irony.

What makes it worse is that you aren't even using that gif correctly.

[Communal concils]

In a Nutshell, Your saying that your too Lazy. Wow, you destroyed me with "facts" and "logic".

...says the guy lazily using the same gif I just used. Oh the fucking irony man, oh the fucking irony.

What makes it worse is that you aren't even using that gif correctly.

If you were actually aware, I intended to do that. The "Meme" is useless because it doesn't prove anything, and your trying to ignore the topic. Can you explain why my beliefs are "incorrect".

[West Leas Oros 2]

This unironically.

Ordering the Tsar's family executed, purging rival socialists, imprisoning and executing thousands of peasants and striking workers, founding the Cheka, etc.? The man was quite a monster who created the conditions for Stalin to rule.

He also did a fair amount of pretty awesome things too. And on that note, lots of people we call heroes now had just as many skeltals in their closets.

[The New California Republic]

If you were actually aware, I intended to do that.

Sure ya did.

The "Meme" is useless because it doesn't prove anything

It was a reaction to your statement. It didn't really need to prove anything, as you gave a statement and not an argument.

and your trying to ignore the topic.

Not at all.

Can you explain why my beliefs are "incorrect".

You want me to explain to you why "Ordering the Tsar's family executed, purging rival socialists, imprisoning and executing thousands of peasants and striking workers, founding the Cheka [...]" isn't "based"? I would dig out that gif again, but it's been used too many times in the past few pages.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Ordering the Tsar's family executed, purging rival socialists, imprisoning and executing thousands of peasants and striking workers, founding the Cheka, etc.? The man was quite a monster who created the conditions for Stalin to rule.

He also did a fair amount of pretty awesome things too. And on that note, lots of people we call heroes now had just as many skeltals in their closets.

Like what?

[The New California Republic]

He also did a fair amount of pretty awesome things too. And on that note, lots of people we call heroes now had just as many skeltals in their closets.

Like what?

The only thing I can think of, and this is really scraping the bottom of the barrel, is the decriminalisation of homosexuality.

[Communal concils]

If you were actually aware, I intended to do that.

Sure ya did.

The "Meme" is useless because it doesn't prove anything

It was a reaction to your statement. It didn't really need to prove anything, as you gave a statement and not an argument.

and your trying to ignore the topic.

Not at all.

Can you explain why my beliefs are "incorrect".

You want me to explain to you why "Ordering the Tsar's family executed, purging rival socialists, imprisoning and executing thousands of peasants and striking workers, founding the Cheka [...]" isn't "based"? I would dig out that gif again, but it's been used too many times in the past few pages.

almost everything in your comment is Garbage.

1. Yes, the people kill Monarchs. That is something that must happen. with the exception of the children, it is suppose to happen.
Maoist china dealt with the Qing Emperor differently, Emperor Puyi of the Qing Empire and Manchuria was forgiven by the Maoist.
However, Puyi already lost most of his power by the time the Communist take him.

https://www.thoughtco.com/puyi-chinas-l ... ror-195612

2. Okay, He killed rival socialist, I don't care.

3. Context is Important. Russia was in a civil war, sabotage in their nation was a real thing. Lenin was almost assassinated one time. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-his ... lenin-shot

4. same argument as 3 .

[Communal concils]

Like what?

The only thing I can think of, and this is really scraping the bottom of the barrel, is the decriminalisation of homosexuality.

I find it funny that you believe in western trot and ML propaganda. Homosexuality was legalize on accident. all the Bolsheviks did was discard the Tsarist penal code,Homosexuality was only a small part of the Penal code.

Homosexuals were seen as mentally ill and Trotsky and Lenin did not really pay attention to the issue.

[The New California Republic]

The only thing I can think of, and this is really scraping the bottom of the barrel, is the decriminalisation of homosexuality.

I find it funny that you believe in western trot and ML propaganda. Homosexuality was legalize on accident. all the Bolsheviks did was discard the Tsarist penal code,Homosexuality was only a small part of the Penal code.

I'm well aware of the context of it, but it's just amusing that you can seemingly read my mind to know what I believe.

But this goes some way towards discrediting what you just said:

In the early 1920s, the Soviet government and scientific community took a great deal of interest in sexual research, sexual emancipation and homosexual emancipation. In January 1923, the Soviet Union sent delegates from the Commissariat of Health led by Commissar of Health Semashko to the German Institute for Sexual Research as well as to some international conferences on human sexuality between 1921 and 1930, where they expressed support for the legalisation of adult, private and consensual homosexual relations and the improvement of homosexual rights in all nations. In both 1923 and 1925, Dr. Grigorii Batkis, director of the Institute for Social Hygiene in Moscow, published a report, The Sexual Revolution in Russia, which stated that homosexuality was "perfectly natural" and should be legally and socially respected. In the Soviet Union itself, the 1920s saw developments in serious Soviet research on sexuality in general, sometimes in support of the progressive idea of homosexuality as a natural part of human sexuality, such as the work of Dr. Batkis prior to 1928.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_hist ... %80%931933

[United Muscovite Nations]

Sure ya did.


It was a reaction to your statement. It didn't really need to prove anything, as you gave a statement and not an argument.


Not at all.


You want me to explain to you why "Ordering the Tsar's family executed, purging rival socialists, imprisoning and executing thousands of peasants and striking workers, founding the Cheka [...]" isn't "based"? I would dig out that gif again, but it's been used too many times in the past few pages.

almost everything in your comment is Garbage.

1. Yes, the people kill Monarchs. That is something that must happen. with the exception of the children, it is suppose to happen.
Maoist china dealt with the Qing Emperor differently, Emperor Puyi of the Qing Empire and Manchuria was forgiven by the Maoist.
However, Puyi already lost most of his power by the time the Communist take him.

https://www.thoughtco.com/puyi-chinas-l ... ror-195612

2. Okay, He killed rival socialist, I don't care.

3. Context is Important. Russia was in a civil war, sabotage in their nation was a real thing. Lenin was almost assassinated one time. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-his ... lenin-shot

4. same argument as 3 .

They were only rival socialists because the Bolsheviks dissolved their own government to justify more purges. If you can support that, then your interests are purely sectarian.

[Communal concils]

I find it funny that you believe in western trot and ML propaganda. Homosexuality was legalize on accident. all the Bolsheviks did was discard the Tsarist penal code,Homosexuality was only a small part of the Penal code.

I'm well aware of the context of it, but it's just amusing that you can seemingly read my mind to know what I believe.

But this goes some way towards discrediting what you just said:

In the early 1920s, the Soviet government and scientific community took a great deal of interest in sexual research, sexual emancipation and homosexual emancipation. In January 1923, the Soviet Union sent delegates from the Commissariat of Health led by Commissar of Health Semashko to the German Institute for Sexual Research as well as to some international conferences on human sexuality between 1921 and 1930, where they expressed support for the legalisation of adult, private and consensual homosexual relations and the improvement of homosexual rights in all nations. In both 1923 and 1925, Dr. Grigorii Batkis, director of the Institute for Social Hygiene in Moscow, published a report, The Sexual Revolution in Russia, which stated that homosexuality was "perfectly natural" and should be legally and socially respected. In the Soviet Union itself, the 1920s saw developments in serious Soviet research on sexuality in general, sometimes in support of the progressive idea of homosexuality as a natural part of human sexuality, such as the work of Dr. Batkis prior to 1928.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_hist ... %80%931933

This doesn't disprove anything I said. All your showing is proof that a Libertine fraction with in the Communist party flourished.

In 1917, the Soviet authorities formally repealed allTsarist legislation and established a socialist legal system.

The Russian empire was very traditional, and therefor didn't like homosexuality and perceived sexual deviancy. So it was part of the penal code, the bolsheviks abolished all Tsarist rules, which would include laws on homosexuality.

I will also say that homosexuality was only a concern to the Kadets and anarchist during tsarists rule, and it was common for various leftist groups to join the Russian communist party. So these non-Leninist brought their values into the party.