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Under which leaders (if any) was the Soviet Union socialist?

Lenin (1918-1924)
411
34%
Stalin (1924-1953)
223
19%
Khrushchev (1953-1964)
149
12%
Brezhnev (1964-1982)
125
10%
Gorbachev (1985-1991)
126
10%
Never
167
14%
 
Total votes : 1201

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:21 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Transcendence, omniscience, unlimited lifespan.

None of those is something that I'd want.

Why not?
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:32 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Transcendence, omniscience, unlimited lifespan.

None of those is something that I'd want.


It's a shame that you have that mindset because you're selling yourself short. One of the most stirring passages of religious literature is the Lotus Sutra where Sariputra laments that he has achieved the lesser state of an arhat and hasn't reached the self-perfection of the Buddha. The Buddha assures him that everything until then had been a means to work toward complete enlightenment.
“You will become a buddha called Padmaprabha, a Tathāgata, Arhat, Completely Enlightened, Perfect in Knowledge and Conduct,Well-Departed, Knower of the World, Unsurpassed, Tamer of Humans,Teacher of Devas and Humans, Buddha, Bhagavat.Your land will be called Viraja. Its earth will be level and pure, ornamented, peaceful, and rich. The devas and humans will prosper. The earth will be made of lapis lazuli with a well-planned network of roads like a chess-board bordered with golden cords. Rows of seven-jeweled trees, which are always full of flowers and fruits, will line the borders of these roads. The Tathāgata Padmaprabha will also lead and inspire sentient beings by means of the three vehicles.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:35 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Kubra wrote: what about not acting
That's pretty ok, don't mind not acting one bit.

Isn't depression partially the lack of will to act?


Yes. It can be one feature of clinical depression.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:41 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Philjia wrote:What's the point in being alive if you don't want anything?


Transcendence, omniscience, unlimited lifespan.

That would be so dreadfully boring.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:42 pm

Kowani wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Transcendence, omniscience, unlimited lifespan.

That would be so dreadfully boring.

Eh, all powerful beings have the ability to end their existence anytime they wish.

There was even an entire episode of Stark Trek about it.
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Postby Kubra » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:43 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Kubra wrote: what about not acting
That's pretty ok, don't mind not acting one bit.

Isn't depression partially the lack of will to act?
Well sure but it could also be lying on the god damn beach sipping rum and cola
oh what I wouldn't give, it's cold out there
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:43 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kowani wrote:That would be so dreadfully boring.

Eh, all powerful beings have the ability to end their existence anytime they wish.

There was even an entire episode of Stark Trek about it.

Yes, but transcendance is not being an all powerful being. God is not an all powerful being, but rather is being itself.
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Postby Kubra » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:43 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kubra wrote: what about not acting
That's pretty ok, don't mind not acting one bit.

Leftcoms, amirite?
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 pm

Kowani wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Transcendence, omniscience, unlimited lifespan.

That would be so dreadfully boring.


No, you're assuming that ordinary human suffering applies to an exalted spiritual state which is beyond space and time.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:50 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Kowani wrote:That would be so dreadfully boring.


No, you're assuming that ordinary human suffering applies to an exalted spiritual state which is beyond space and time.

That would be beyond physical reality does not actually mean that my personality ceases to exist-else there would be no reason to pursue liberation.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:09 pm

Immortality isn't an expedient power to have. Think about it.

You get to see all your friends and family die.
You're rendered obsolescent by society unless you magically remain youthful along with it (and healthful enough to work and consume products)
It gets boring. After about 200 or 300 years, what are you going to do? Every day will just be excruciating pain until one somehow ends their lives. And anyway, if one has no desire to live, there's only so many times that "spark" can be reignited. After hundreds of years of boredom and pain, euthanasia would probably be the proper option. If even possible, as this suggests one is imbued with everlasting, unquenchable life.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:21 pm

The South Falls wrote:Immortality isn't an expedient power to have. Think about it.


That's not the kind of immorality I was referring to. The Buddha is said to possess a transcendental body which does not die, as well as being endowed with supernatural powers and omniscience. Which is obviously quite different from the scenario you mentioned.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:36 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:None of those is something that I'd want.

Why not?

The limited nature of existence gives the world value. That is, an existence with no temporal or physical bounds means you can learn or see anything with no effort, and that decreases the value of even the most beautiful sights. It's a philosophical law of diminishing returns.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:40 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Why not?

The limited nature of existence gives the world value. That is, an existence with no temporal or physical bounds means you can learn or see anything with no effort, and that decreases the value of even the most beautiful sights. It's a philosophical law of diminishing returns.

Just imagine I said that, instead of the mess my post was.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:41 pm

Watch Isaac Arthur. Duh.

He covers those... matters. Some of them.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:56 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kubra wrote: what about not acting
That's pretty ok, don't mind not acting one bit.

Leftcoms, amirite?

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:05 am

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Ok, maybe not an actual purge, but a backlash against the more regressive sections of the left in academia would be nice.

Are there "regressive" sections of the left in academia, and they constitute a problem? First I've heard of it...

No, it's that you just happen to agree with the people I consider a problem.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:22 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Are there "regressive" sections of the left in academia, and they constitute a problem? First I've heard of it...

No, it's that you just happen to agree with the people I consider a problem.

Do I indeed? How can I agree with people that I don't even know exist?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:12 am

Great Kysilia wrote:Barbara Kean in Gotham

This is only an example of lesbian tokenism if you only watched the scenes where she's making out with another woman, because Barbara's character in the series quite blatantly isn't just a "token lesbian". A huge chunk of her storyline revolves around her relationship with Jim Gordon. She becomes a goddamn crazy villain (partially) because of him.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:14 am

Liriena wrote:
Great Kysilia wrote:Barbara Kean in Gotham

This is only an example of lesbian tokenism if you only watched the scenes where she's making out with another woman, because Barbara's character in the series quite blatantly isn't just a "token lesbian". A huge chunk of her storyline revolves around her relationship with Jim Gordon. She becomes a goddamn crazy villain (partially) because of him.

Wait, how does Jim Gordon turn Barbara into a villain?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:16 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Liriena wrote:This is only an example of lesbian tokenism if you only watched the scenes where she's making out with another woman, because Barbara's character in the series quite blatantly isn't just a "token lesbian". A huge chunk of her storyline revolves around her relationship with Jim Gordon. She becomes a goddamn crazy villain (partially) because of him.

Wait, how does Jim Gordon turn Barbara into a villain?

It's kind of a mixture of "woman scorned" stuff plus all the stuff she went through with the Ogre.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:17 am

Liriena wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Wait, how does Jim Gordon turn Barbara into a villain?

It's kind of a mixture of "woman scorned" stuff plus all the stuff she went through with the Ogre.

Woman scorned? How so?
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:17 am

Twitter had a good take on the Richard Spencer madfag clip. He should transition to let his true self come out :^)

Edit: I liked this take so much I decided to link it so the original guys could get credit.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:05 am

The East Marches II wrote:Twitter had a good take on the Richard Spencer madfag clip. He should transition to let his true self come out :^)

Edit: I liked this take so much I decided to link it so the original guys could get credit.

Richard wants to speak with the manager real bad.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:06 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's kind of a mixture of "woman scorned" stuff plus all the stuff she went through with the Ogre.

Woman scorned? How so?

I might be misremembering, but didn't she try to kill Jim's second love interest and force him to take her back after her mental break?
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Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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