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Crysuko wrote:

North German Realm wrote:Looks good. I mean, I question why a Tankie would be anti-sectarian too but eh, I've seen weirder things (Anarcho-monarchism, for one)

I'm still puzzled about how that would work

Ask UMM.

North German Realm wrote:took PolitiScales again and got... amusing results. Huh.

I'm quite boring by comparison

Teach us normies your big-brained ways.

Kowani wrote:

Crysuko wrote:I'm still puzzled about how that would work

Ask UMM.

At least he isn't an anarcho-totalist.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:

North German Realm wrote:took PolitiScales again and got... amusing results. Huh.

I'm quite boring by comparison

Teach us normies your big-brained ways.

Yes, you are quite boring.
Why such high punitive justice rates?


I’m still proud of my 0% capitalism.

The Unabomber made good points.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Unabomber made good points.

While this can be seen as a hot take I understand where you are coming from. The wonders of hindsight twenty to thirty years later is truly astounding. Though, I do lend credence to the fact he may have been a victim to MK Ultra as it's not like we didn't test other American citizens without the CIA affiliates lying through their teeth as to what was actually going on.

Benuty wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Unabomber made good points.

While this can be seen as a hot take I understand where you are coming from. The wonders of hindsight twenty to thirty years later is truly astounding. Though, I do lend credence to the fact he may have been a victim to MK Ultra as it's not like we didn't test other American citizens without the CIA affiliates lying through their teeth as to what was actually going on.

Kaczynski himself vociferously denies the torture thing, and I'm one to agree there. Dude wasn't any crazier than a lot of cold war bombers, and boy there were a *lot*.

Kubra wrote:

Benuty wrote:While this can be seen as a hot take I understand where you are coming from. The wonders of hindsight twenty to thirty years later is truly astounding. Though, I do lend credence to the fact he may have been a victim to MK Ultra as it's not like we didn't test other American citizens without the CIA affiliates lying through their teeth as to what was actually going on.

Kaczynski himself vociferously denies the torture thing, and I'm one to agree there. Dude wasn't any crazier than a lot of cold war bombers, and boy there were a *lot*.

That's because terrorism was seen as glamorous in the cold war. It was hip to be an edgelord running around Europe, and bombing or shooting people up especially in Italy. Hell, the 1970s was the golden age of domestic terrorism for the states when it came to car bombings, hijackings, and other issues burnt-out hippies had in their rage against the machine.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Unabomber made good points.

About what?

As for the unabomber, he may deny it, but the fact remains Harvard, and a few others played a role in shaping the man for the worse. I mean an experiment lasting three years today might just be a cause for even the tiniest inkling of suspicion.

Kowani wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Unabomber made good points.

About what?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/n ... edirect=on

I suppose that is what UMN is referring to.

Benuty wrote:

Kubra wrote: Kaczynski himself vociferously denies the torture thing, and I'm one to agree there. Dude wasn't any crazier than a lot of cold war bombers, and boy there were a *lot*.

That's because terrorism was seen as glamorous in the cold war. It was hip to be an edgelord running around Europe, and bombing or shooting people up especially in Italy. Hell, the 1970s was the golden age of domestic terrorism for the states when it came to car bombings, hijackings, and other issues burnt-out hippies had in their rage against the machine.

and in all fairness to ted he at least had real conviction, I mean sure for primitivism but hey a guys gotta be passionate about somerhing

Kubra wrote:

Benuty wrote:That's because terrorism was seen as glamorous in the cold war. It was hip to be an edgelord running around Europe, and bombing or shooting people up especially in Italy. Hell, the 1970s was the golden age of domestic terrorism for the states when it came to car bombings, hijackings, and other issues burnt-out hippies had in their rage against the machine.

and in all fairness to ted he at least had real conviction, I mean sure for primitivism but hey a guys gotta be passionate about somerhing

These people certainly were. I mean damn Italy really had a problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)

Benuty wrote:

Kowani wrote:About what?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/n ... edirect=on

I suppose that is what UMN is referring to.

Reading about 2 paragraphs in…no. He may have made good points later on, but I’m not wading through all that bullshit.

Benuty wrote:

Kubra wrote: and in all fairness to ted he at least had real conviction, I mean sure for primitivism but hey a guys gotta be passionate about somerhing

These people certainly were. I mean damn Italy really had a problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)

check out the cafe wars in France, a good chunk of the Algerian civil war took the form of a straight up gang war in mainland France

When I think lack of passion I think of folks like the red Army fraction, middle class kids getting their kicks

Kowani wrote:

Benuty wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/n ... edirect=on

I suppose that is what UMN is referring to.

Reading about 2 paragraphs in…no. He may have made good points later on, but I’m not wading through all that bullshit.

His basic premise, and forgive if I am wrong UMN regards industrialization as a force of enslavement for mankind.

Benuty wrote:

Kowani wrote:Reading about 2 paragraphs in…no. He may have made good points later on, but I’m not wading through all that bullshit.

His basic premise, and forgive if I am wrong UMN regards industrialization as a force of enslavement for mankind.

Oh. Then no. He’s quite wrong.

Kowani wrote:

Benuty wrote:His basic premise, and forgive if I am wrong UMN regards industrialization as a force of enslavement for mankind.

Oh. Then no. He’s quite wrong.

Maybe you should actually read his arguments before you dismiss him.

Kubra wrote:

Benuty wrote:While this can be seen as a hot take I understand where you are coming from. The wonders of hindsight twenty to thirty years later is truly astounding. Though, I do lend credence to the fact he may have been a victim to MK Ultra as it's not like we didn't test other American citizens without the CIA affiliates lying through their teeth as to what was actually going on.

Kaczynski himself vociferously denies the torture thing, and I'm one to agree there. Dude wasn't any crazier than a lot of cold war bombers, and boy there were a *lot*.

Uncle Ted wasn't crazy, he was basically forced to make a plea of insanity because the judge refused to allow him to represent himself. The government didn't want to give him a chance to argue his case because he was an extremely intelligent man.

I'm surprised Big Joel wasn't in the poll.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Kubra wrote: Kaczynski himself vociferously denies the torture thing, and I'm one to agree there. Dude wasn't any crazier than a lot of cold war bombers, and boy there were a *lot*.

Uncle Ted wasn't crazy, he was basically forced to make a plea of insanity because the judge refused to allow him to represent himself. The government didn't want to give him a chance to argue his case because he was an extremely intelligent man.

He killed innocents. That is all we need to hear about him.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Uncle Ted wasn't crazy, he was basically forced to make a plea of insanity because the judge refused to allow him to represent himself. The government didn't want to give him a chance to argue his case because he was an extremely intelligent man.

He killed innocents. That is all we need to hear about him.

That's an incredibly simplistic view that forces us to dismiss many political philosophers.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Unabomber made good points.

What points exactly? Because he was one of the most far-right, reactionary lunatics to ever grace this world.

Cerinda wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Unabomber made good points.

What points exactly? Because he was one of the most far-right, reactionary lunatics to ever grace this world.

He wasn't far right at all, he was an Anarchist.

Read his manifesto, posted above.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:He killed innocents. That is all we need to hear about him.

That's an incredibly simplistic view that forces us to dismiss many political philosophers.

Well, I'm going to simplistically dismiss a man who planted bombs in public areas to kill civilians, simply to promote a viewpoint.

Cerinda wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Unabomber made good points.

What points exactly? Because he was one of the most far-right, reactionary lunatics to ever grace this world.

How is he right wing?