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Under which leaders (if any) was the Soviet Union socialist?

Lenin (1918-1924)
411
34%
Stalin (1924-1953)
223
19%
Khrushchev (1953-1964)
149
12%
Brezhnev (1964-1982)
125
10%
Gorbachev (1985-1991)
126
10%
Never
167
14%
 
Total votes : 1201

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:47 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:Don’t you mean Marianne Williamson

Literally who

Anti-vaccine new Age bullshitter.

“Dark Psychic Forces.”

Crysuko wrote:
Kowani wrote:General economic trends would put billionaires as a drain rather than a benefit.


No. No I don’t.

BUT MUH JOB CREATORS

It’s such a bad argument, and yet it persists.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:48 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kowani wrote:General economic trends would put billionaires as a drain rather than a benefit.


No. No I don’t.


The Orb Mother is greatly displeased with your lack of high-energy chakra.

I don’t believe in Chakras.
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Postby Sangamonia » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:48 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Bernie is, in my opinion, the best candidate we have.

Billionaires should not exist.

*watches as my city’s economy immediately collapses*

Not trying to be disingenuous/snarky, but why call yourself a socialist if you don't support wealth redistribution?
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Postby Pacomia » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:48 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kowani wrote:General economic trends would put billionaires as a drain rather than a benefit.


No. No I don’t.


The Orb Mother is greatly displeased with your lack of high-energy chakra.

We can unleash the positive energy with light meditation.

Sangamonia wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Billionaires should not exist.

*watches as my city’s economy immediately collapses*

Not trying to be disingenuous/snarky, but why call yourself a socialist if you don't support wealth redistribution?

I do support it, it should just be gradual and procedular, and not all at once.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:49 pm

Kowani wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The Orb Mother is greatly displeased with your lack of high-energy chakra.

I don’t believe in Chakras.


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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:50 pm

Sangamonia wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Billionaires should not exist.

*watches as my city’s economy immediately collapses*

Not trying to be disingenuous/snarky, but why call yourself a socialist if you don't support wealth redistribution?

I approve of your sig.

Torrocca wrote:
Kowani wrote:I don’t believe in Chakras.


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My Skepticism Shield shall save me.
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Postby Sangamonia » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:51 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Sangamonia wrote:Not trying to be disingenuous/snarky, but why call yourself a socialist if you don't support wealth redistribution?

I do support it, it should just be gradual and procedular, and not all at once.

So just via progressive taxation then? To clarify, if it was done gradually, would you agree that billionaires shouldn't exist?
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:51 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The Orb Mother is greatly displeased with your lack of high-energy chakra.

We can unleash the positive energy with light meditation.

Sangamonia wrote:Not trying to be disingenuous/snarky, but why call yourself a socialist if you don't support wealth redistribution?

I do support it, it should just be gradual and procedular, and not all at once.

Did you even read the actual bill?
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Postby Crysuko » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:51 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kowani wrote:I don’t believe in Chakras.


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You're saying there's a spinning, energy distributing wheel in my [REDACTED]?
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

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Postby Torrocca » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:53 pm

Kowani wrote:
Sangamonia wrote:Not trying to be disingenuous/snarky, but why call yourself a socialist if you don't support wealth redistribution?

I approve of your sig.

Torrocca wrote:
Image

My Skepticism Shield shall save me.


You fool, skepticism only strengthens the Orb Mother's chakra! We're all doomed!
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Postby Crysuko » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:53 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kowani wrote:I approve of your sig.


My Skepticism Shield shall save me.


You fool, skepticism only strengthens the Orb Mother's chakra! We're all doomed!

Dooooooooooooomed!
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:55 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kowani wrote:I approve of your sig.


My Skepticism Shield shall save me.


You fool, skepticism only strengthens the Orb Mother's chakra! We're all doomed!

But tautological, né?
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Postby Pacomia » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:55 pm

Sangamonia wrote:
Pacomia wrote:
I do support it, it should just be gradual and procedular, and not all at once.

So just via progressive taxation then? To clarify, if it was done gradually, would you agree that billionaires shouldn't exist?

Yes. Split up big corporations while we’re at it. Antitrust violations everywhere.

Kowani wrote:
Pacomia wrote:We can unleash the positive energy with light meditation.


I do support it, it should just be gradual and procedular, and not all at once.

Did you even read the actual bill?

Yeah, just reread the article. Apparently I interpreted something wrong, it makes sense now.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:04 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Sangamonia wrote:So just via progressive taxation then? To clarify, if it was done gradually, would you agree that billionaires shouldn't exist?

Yes. Split up big corporations while we’re at it. Antitrust violations everywhere.

Kowani wrote:Did you even read the actual bill?

Yeah, just reread the article. Apparently I interpreted something wrong, it makes sense now.

Fair.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:05 pm

Torrocca wrote:Absolutely wild this thread's gone four days straight without a post.

That said, this rhetoric's got me hyped as fuck.

I would have posted more, but I've been really busy with school and personal stuff.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:36 pm

do left-wingers sit on the left side of planes
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Postby Crysuko » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:03 am

It's a major bugbear of mine wine Americans point at liberals and endlessly screech about THR FAR LEFT THE FAR LEFT THE FAR LEFT with all the dignity of chicken little screwing with the town.
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:10 am

Bear Stearns wrote:do left-wingers sit on the left side of planes


If you find me going abroad I'd be less concerned about what side of the plane I'm on and more about how to signal for help and escape this clear hostage situation.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:14 am

Bear Stearns wrote:do left-wingers sit on the left side of planes

I don't care that much as long as I'm in a plane and not a helicopter.

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Postby Free Santa Rosa » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:14 am

Breadtube is stupid, though? What America calls "left-wing" is very much "liberal reformist".

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Postby Crysuko » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:15 am

Crysuko wrote:It's a major bugbear of mine wine Americans point at liberals and endlessly screech about THR FAR LEFT THE FAR LEFT THE FAR LEFT with all the dignity of chicken little screwing with the town.

Acknowledge pls
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Alexiandra » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:17 am

Free Santa Rosa wrote:Breadtube is stupid, though? What America calls "left-wing" is very much "liberal reformist".

Largely, I agree - but certain channels, e.g. BadMouse and even Philosophy Tube are often explicitly communist, and while both are British I suspect their primary audience is American.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:18 am

Free Santa Rosa wrote:Breadtube is stupid, though? What America calls "left-wing" is very much "liberal reformist".

It's a very moderate left wing but it is in fact left wing.
That being said, the only reason it's considered left wing is because a significant percentage of the right wing is literal Nazis, and most of the ones who aren't prefer the Nazis to anyone left of center (even considering the fact that the center in America is considerably further right than it is in most of the First World).

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Postby Free Santa Rosa » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:21 am

Alexiandra wrote:
Free Santa Rosa wrote:Breadtube is stupid, though? What America calls "left-wing" is very much "liberal reformist".

Largely, I agree - but certain channels, e.g. BadMouse and even Philosophy Tube are often explicitly communist, and while both are British I suspect their primary audience is American.


Well, if we put it that way, iirc ThoughtSlime has a lot of an-com views. I still can't think of a proper communist/socialist channel.

There is one channel I will gladly die for: Jreg.

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Postby Page » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:23 am

Free Santa Rosa wrote:
Alexiandra wrote:Largely, I agree - but certain channels, e.g. BadMouse and even Philosophy Tube are often explicitly communist, and while both are British I suspect their primary audience is American.


Well, if we put it that way, iirc ThoughtSlime has a lot of an-com views. I still can't think of a proper communist/socialist channel.

There is one channel I will gladly die for: Jreg.


Check out BadMouse
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