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Torrocca wrote:

Genivaria wrote:Never said anything about making anyone stateless so you should probably start over.

So then you're not privy to stripping anyone of citizenship until they do some arbitrary shit? Good to know.

Still no idea what you're on about.

Genivaria wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
So then you're not privy to stripping anyone of citizenship until they do some arbitrary shit? Good to know.

Still no idea what you're on about.

Maybe it'd help if you focused on what you're saying? Either you want to strip people of citizenship until they complete some arbitrary task for your ideal state, thus making them stateless until such a point is reached that they have citizenship, or you don't. You can't eat your cake and have it too.

Genivaria wrote:Never said anything about Starship Troopers or stripping people's rights mate, don't assume shit.
I've stated before my view that I think conscription would be good for the country, that is merely an extension of my view.

Citizenship affords residents of a country some basic rights, such as the right not to be deported. If you want to abolish childhood citizenship, you are stripping residents of the United States of some of their basic civil rights.

Torrocca wrote:

Genivaria wrote:Still no idea what you're on about.

Maybe it'd help if you focused on what you're saying? Either you want to strip people of citizenship until they complete some arbitrary task for your ideal state, thus making them stateless until such a point is reached that they have citizenship, or you don't. You can't eat your cake and have it too.

I challenge you to quote where I said this.

Genivaria wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Maybe it'd help if you focused on what you're saying? Either you want to strip people of citizenship until they complete some arbitrary task for your ideal state, thus making them stateless until such a point is reached that they have citizenship, or you don't. You can't eat your cake and have it too.

I challenge you to quote where I said this.

Genivaria wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
You want citizenship to be earned, so what happens to children? How do they earn it?

Not sure why children would have a different means, they become citizens when they finish their service like everyone else when they're older.

That part. Right there. Where kids don't have citizenship under your regime.

Hanafuridake wrote:

Genivaria wrote:Never said anything about Starship Troopers or stripping people's rights mate, don't assume shit.
I've stated before my view that I think conscription would be good for the country, that is merely an extension of my view.

Citizenship affords residents of a country some basic rights, such as the right not to be deported. If you want to abolish childhood citizenship, you are stripping residents of the United States of some of their basic civil rights.

You know what, fair point. Trying to explain it makes me realize it would become a clusterfuck of civil rights violations.

Torrocca wrote:

Genivaria wrote:I challenge you to quote where I said this.

Genivaria wrote:Not sure why children would have a different means, they become citizens when they finish their service like everyone else when they're older.

That part. Right there. Where kids don't have citizenship under your regime.

....you mean like now? I'm equating 'citizenship' with 'adulthood' here because that's when they do their time of service so maybe that's where your confusion is coming from.

Genivaria wrote:

Torrocca wrote:


That part. Right there. Where kids don't have citizenship under your regime.

....you mean like now? I'm equating 'citizenship' with 'adulthood' here because that's when they do their time of service so maybe that's where your confusion is coming from.

TIL'd children, who are born with citizenship in America, don't have citizenship in America.

10/10

Torrocca wrote:

Genivaria wrote:....you mean like now? I'm equating 'citizenship' with 'adulthood' here because that's when they do their time of service so maybe that's where your confusion is coming from.

TIL'd children, who are born with citizenship in America, don't have citizenship in America.

10/10

I have no idea what you're trying to say anymore.
Stop trying to use sarcasm and try using complete sentences.

Genivaria wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
TIL'd children, who are born with citizenship in America, don't have citizenship in America.

10/10

I have no idea what you're trying to say anymore.
Stop trying to use sarcasm and try using complete sentences.

Jesus Christ, it's not that hard to grasp.

You just fucking said that children, right now, don't have citizenship in America, to defend the fact that children wouldn't have citizenship under your idea of a state, which is a blatant lie thanks to Jus Soli.

Hanafuridake wrote:

Genivaria wrote:Not sure why children would have a different means, they become citizens when they finish their service like everyone else when they're older.

You do realize that citizenship entails a lot more than just the ability to vote, right? There are basic rights that come with citizenship, such as the right to live within a country. Your actions would basically strip American children of the right to not be deported. Starship Trooper is not a good book to base your political opinions on.

Indeed. Children without citizenship lack constitutional rights.

Genivaria wrote:Not sure why children would have a different means, they become citizens when they finish their service like everyone else when they're older.

I would say that children in minority would receive citizenship when their parents do.

Torrocca wrote:

Genivaria wrote:I have no idea what you're trying to say anymore.
Stop trying to use sarcasm and try using complete sentences.

Jesus Christ, it's not that hard to grasp.

You just fucking said that children, right now, don't have citizenship in America, to defend the fact that children wouldn't have citizenship under your idea of a state, which is a blatant lie thanks to Jus Soli.

No I didn't.
I mean that children right now are considered to not be adults WITH RIGHTS until they're, you know...ADULTS.
That's why I mentioned that I was using 'adult' and ''citizen' synonymously due to the inclusion of service but clearly you couldn't be asses to read that part.

Genivaria wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Jesus Christ, it's not that hard to grasp.

You just fucking said that children, right now, don't have citizenship in America, to defend the fact that children wouldn't have citizenship under your idea of a state, which is a blatant lie thanks to Jus Soli.

No I didn't.
I mean that children right now are considered to not be adults WITH RIGHTS until they're, you know...ADULTS.
That's why I mentioned that I was using 'adult' and ''citizen' synonymously due to the inclusion of service but clearly you couldn't be asses to read that part.

So basically you're talking about an extremely arbitrary and utterly bullshit idea of what citizenship is, according to you, and then getting mad when people are missing your crackpot idea of what citizenship is. Gotcha.

News flash, by the by: children in America enjoy practically all the same rights - give or take a couple of things like the ownership of weapons - afforded by the Constitution as adults do, so you're also wrong in that regard.

Genivaria wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Jesus Christ, it's not that hard to grasp.

You just fucking said that children, right now, don't have citizenship in America, to defend the fact that children wouldn't have citizenship under your idea of a state, which is a blatant lie thanks to Jus Soli.

No I didn't.
I mean that children right now are considered to not be adults WITH RIGHTS until they're, you know...ADULTS.
That's why I mentioned that I was using 'adult' and ''citizen' synonymously due to the inclusion of service but clearly you couldn't be asses to read that part.

Yeah, that's just like how I like to use "stapler" and "scissors" synonymously. It's not like they're not the same thing, right?

Torrocca wrote:

Genivaria wrote:No I didn't.
I mean that children right now are considered to not be adults WITH RIGHTS until they're, you know...ADULTS.
That's why I mentioned that I was using 'adult' and ''citizen' synonymously due to the inclusion of service but clearly you couldn't be asses to read that part.

So basically you're talking about an extremely arbitrary and utterly bullshit idea of what citizenship is, according to you, and then getting mad when people are missing your crackpot idea of what citizenship is. Gotcha.

News flash, by the by: children in America enjoy practically all the same rights - give or take a couple of things like the ownership of weapons - afforded by the Constitution as adults do, so you're also wrong in that regard.

It's quite clear at this point that you understand anything actually.

Genivaria wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
So basically you're talking about an extremely arbitrary and utterly bullshit idea of what citizenship is, according to you, and then getting mad when people are missing your crackpot idea of what citizenship is. Gotcha.

News flash, by the by: children in America enjoy practically all the same rights - give or take a couple of things like the ownership of weapons - afforded by the Constitution as adults do, so you're also wrong in that regard.

It's quite clear at this point that you understand anything actually.

Yes, I do understand anything. Thank you for recognizing that.

Torrocca wrote:

Genivaria wrote:It's quite clear at this point that you understand anything actually.

Yes, I do understand anything. Thank you for recognizing that.

Quite quickly, too. You're as sharp as a whip, as they say.

So Torrocca can you address my original point about conscription before you went off on a tangent?

Genivaria wrote:So Torrocca can you address my original point about conscription before you went off on a tangent?

Maybe I will when you can insult me properly. Until then, I'm sure you can figure out my feelings on conscription.

Torrocca wrote:

Genivaria wrote:So Torrocca can you address my original point about conscription before you went off on a tangent?

Maybe I will when you can insult me properly. Until then, I'm sure you can figure out my feelings on conscription.

???
You want me to insult you???

I can see there's no point in talking to you.

Genivaria wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Maybe I will when you can insult me properly. Until then, I'm sure you can figure out my feelings on conscription.

???
You want me to insult you???

I can see there's no point in talking to you.

Nah, I'm just mocking the attempt you actually made at insulting me.

Torrocca wrote:

Genivaria wrote:???
You want me to insult you???

I can see there's no point in talking to you.

Nah, I'm just mocking the attempt you actually made at insulting me.

I made no attempt to insult you.

Genivaria wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Nah, I'm just mocking the attempt you actually made at insulting me.

I made no attempt to insult you.

So I'm wrong in assuming that this -

Genivaria wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
So basically you're talking about an extremely arbitrary and utterly bullshit idea of what citizenship is, according to you, and then getting mad when people are missing your crackpot idea of what citizenship is. Gotcha.

News flash, by the by: children in America enjoy practically all the same rights - give or take a couple of things like the ownership of weapons - afforded by the Constitution as adults do, so you're also wrong in that regard.

It's quite clear at this point that you understand anything actually.

- is missing an errant little "don't" in-between "you" and "understand" then? Because adding that in sure makes it read like an insult.

This reads more like a Tantrum Torroccanum