LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Liriena]

Nah, experience has taught me that right-wing libertarianism only really appeals to a very small demographic, much of which won't stay libertarian for long.

what did he mean by this

In my very anecdotal, very non-scientific experience, a lot of right-wing libertarians eventually become conservatives or ancaps... or just completely lose it and embrace right-wing authoritarianism with free market characteristics.

Or, if they're argie right-wing libertarians, they get a crush on one Trotskyite legislator because he's a based king on Twitter.

Also, daily reminder that Donald Trump was a literal tankie and openly praised the Chinese government for the Tienanmen square massacre.

Tankie, registered Democrat, god-Emperor, what can't that man do?

Use punctuation.

[Liriena]

I'm sorry to inform you that Ben Garrison is a communist now. After all, giving people free money is communism.

[The Liberated Territories]

who here is waiting for the INEVITABLE COLLAPSE of society greedily.

:rubshands:

[Duvniask]

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I'm sorry to inform you that Ben Garrison is a communist now. After all, giving people free money is communism.

Not enough labels, message unclear.

Also, not enough Garrison being horny on main (including drawing Trump as a big muscular dude).

[Cekoviu]

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I'm sorry to inform you that Ben Garrison is a communist now. After all, giving people free money is communism.

I love Ben Garrison, that hilarious rube. I hope he never changes.

[The East Marches II]

who here is waiting for the INEVITABLE COLLAPSE of society greedily.

:rubshands:

Luckily I stockpiled RARE Doom Pauls back in 2010. My body is ready.

[Mirial Magna]

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I'm sorry to inform you that Ben Garrison is a communist now. After all, giving people free money is communism.

#MAGAPATRIOT #FEARLESSLEADER Donald #TRUMP2020 literally enacts UBI: I sleep.
#DEMOCRATSOCIALIST #COMMUNIST #BARTENDER #AOC suggests that vital services be free: Real communism?

[Cisairse]

I mean the Chad populist right winning over the Virgin neoliberals might be a victory for workers rights, but I doubt other aspects will thrill you so much...

Honestly, I'm just waiting for Bernie to endorse Trump and go full Nazbol.

My life would be complete if that happened.

The Vermont senator becoming a full-on tankie would confirm the espoused beliefs of several MSM outlets.

[Northern Davincia]

Your experience has not taught you well.

Not necessarily, it's just that many people dislike how it is to be dealt with.

What could laissez faire possibly do to deal with it? Staring into the mind of the market is staring into the mind of a schizophrenic.

A minarchist government is not incapable of issuing quarantines when necessary. Beyond that, no stimulus package and no bailouts, and lots of price gouging.

[United Muscovite Nations]

What could laissez faire possibly do to deal with it? Staring into the mind of the market is staring into the mind of a schizophrenic.

A minarchist government is not incapable of issuing quarantines when necessary. Beyond that, no stimulus package and no bailouts, and lots of price gouging.

Oh, so no response at all. Sounds like utter sociopath shit.

[Northern Davincia]

A minarchist government is not incapable of issuing quarantines when necessary. Beyond that, no stimulus package and no bailouts, and lots of price gouging.

Oh, so no response at all. Sounds like utter sociopath shit.

There's no point in holding principles if they are discarded when things are hard.

[Cisairse]

Oh, so no response at all. Sounds like utter sociopath shit.

There's no point in holding principles if they are discarded when things are hard.

Perhaps, if it is so easy to find scenarios in which those principles make life very bad for a very large amount of people, it may be worth considering that those principles are not very good.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Oh, so no response at all. Sounds like utter sociopath shit.

There's no point in holding principles if they are discarded when things are hard.

Have you considered that if your principles don't work in times of crisis, that perhaps they are bad principles?

[Northern Davincia]

There's no point in holding principles if they are discarded when things are hard.

Perhaps, if it is so easy to find scenarios in which those principles make life very bad for a very large amount of people, it may be worth considering that those principles are not very good.

Keep in mind, the libertarian imagines a positive outcome to his ideals, otherwise he would not hold them.
In our minds, the free market (when left completely alone) produces affordable healthcare, housing, food, etc. We desire a free market because it is beneficial.

There's no point in holding principles if they are discarded when things are hard.

Have you considered that if your principles don't work in times of crisis, that perhaps they are bad principles?

How it's supposed to work is a matter of perspective.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Perhaps, if it is so easy to find scenarios in which those principles make life very bad for a very large amount of people, it may be worth considering that those principles are not very good.

Keep in mind, the libertarian imagines a positive outcome to his ideals, otherwise he would not hold them.
In our minds, the free market (when left completely alone) produces affordable healthcare, housing, food, etc. We desire a free market because it is beneficial.

Have you considered that if your principles don't work in times of crisis, that perhaps they are bad principles?

How it's supposed to work is a matter of perspective.

If you can't provide for the needs to society, then they aren't working. It's not a matter of perspective at all, it's pretty objective in terms of the goal of government to ensure the safety of society.

[Northern Davincia]

Keep in mind, the libertarian imagines a positive outcome to his ideals, otherwise he would not hold them.
In our minds, the free market (when left completely alone) produces affordable healthcare, housing, food, etc. We desire a free market because it is beneficial.

How it's supposed to work is a matter of perspective.

If you can't provide for the needs to society, then they aren't working. It's not a matter of perspective at all, it's pretty objective in terms of the goal of government to ensure the safety of society.

The stated goal of government is safety, but what usually happens is that the de facto goal is domination.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I’ve noticed a trend, whenever there’s a major protest movement anywhere, the left tries to appropriate it as a leftist one. Even when said protests are directly against leftist governments

Case in point Hong Kong and Yellow Vest

[Uiiop]

I’ve noticed a trend, whenever there’s a major protest movement anywhere, the left tries to appropriate it as a leftist one. Even when said protests are directly against leftist governments

Case in point Hong Kong and Yellow Vest

A state capitalist and centrist governments are leftists ones?

[Punainen Suomi]

Perhaps, if it is so easy to find scenarios in which those principles make life very bad for a very large amount of people, it may be worth considering that those principles are not very good.

Keep in mind, the libertarian imagines a positive outcome to his ideals, otherwise he would not hold them.
In our minds, the free market (when left completely alone) produces affordable healthcare, housing, food, etc. We desire a free market because it is beneficial.

You may imagine a positive outcome, but that does not mean that such an outcome will come to pass in the real world.

[Northern Davincia]

Keep in mind, the libertarian imagines a positive outcome to his ideals, otherwise he would not hold them.
In our minds, the free market (when left completely alone) produces affordable healthcare, housing, food, etc. We desire a free market because it is beneficial.

You may imagine a positive outcome, but that does not mean that such an outcome will come to pass in the real world.

Says the socialist.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Perhaps, if it is so easy to find scenarios in which those principles make life very bad for a very large amount of people, it may be worth considering that those principles are not very good.

Keep in mind, the libertarian imagines a positive outcome to his ideals, otherwise he would not hold them.
In our minds, the free market (when left completely alone) produces affordable healthcare, housing, food, etc. We desire a free market because it is beneficial.

That never happens though.

[Punainen Suomi]

You may imagine a positive outcome, but that does not mean that such an outcome will come to pass in the real world.

Says the socialist.

Yet there have been attempts at building a socialist society that have at least gotten off the ground. Can you provide a single example of a state founded on right-libertarian ideals?

[Cisairse]

I’ve noticed a trend, whenever there’s a major protest movement anywhere, the left tries to appropriate it as a leftist one. Even when said protests are directly against leftist governments

Case in point Hong Kong and Yellow Vest

Macron is a rightist

Yellow vests were pretty explicitly leftist

[Northern Davincia]

Says the socialist.

Yet there have been attempts at building a socialist society that have at least gotten off the ground. Can you provide a single example of a state founded on right-libertarian ideals?

The United States.

[Cisairse]

Yet there have been attempts at building a socialist society that have at least gotten off the ground. Can you provide a single example of a state founded on right-libertarian ideals?

The United States.

Slavery is a libertarian ideal?