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Under which leaders (if any) was the Soviet Union socialist?

Lenin (1918-1924)
411
34%
Stalin (1924-1953)
223
19%
Khrushchev (1953-1964)
149
12%
Brezhnev (1964-1982)
125
10%
Gorbachev (1985-1991)
126
10%
Never
167
14%
 
Total votes : 1201

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Blargoblarg
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Blargoblarg » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:25 pm

I'm planning to write in Bernie if he doesn't win the nomination.
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Postby Mount Macedon » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:31 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:I'm planning to write in Bernie if he doesn't win the nomination.

If he endorses Biden and campaigns for him then he's not worthy of that. Better to vote for someone like Jill Stein or stay home and avoid corona.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Left-Leaning College State

Postby New haven america » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:31 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:I'm planning to write in Bernie if he doesn't win the nomination.

Fun fact, if Biden doesn't win then Trump will probably be able to stack the Scotus Conservative 7-2.

You see, the thing about this type of slash and burn tactic is that you're the only one getting burned by it. Oh, and BTW, Biden and Sanders have almost the exact same presidential goals.
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Postby Mount Macedon » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:32 pm

New haven america wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:I'm planning to write in Bernie if he doesn't win the nomination.

Fun fact, if Biden doesn't win then Trump will probably be able to stack the Scotus Conservative 7-2.

You see, the thing about this type of slash and burn tactic is that you're the only one getting burned by it. Oh, and BTW, Biden and Sanders have almost the exact same presidential goals.

A profound misunderstanding of politics. Slash and burn away, now is the time for slashing and burning, and it will take place regardless of your feelings.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Postby New haven america » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:34 pm

Mount Macedon wrote:
New haven america wrote:Fun fact, if Biden doesn't win then Trump will probably be able to stack the Scotus Conservative 7-2.

You see, the thing about this type of slash and burn tactic is that you're the only one getting burned by it. Oh, and BTW, Biden and Sanders have almost the exact same presidential goals.

A profound misunderstanding of politics. Slash and burn away, now is the time for slashing and burning, and it will take place regardless of your feelings.

Whatever you say Banana.
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Postby Mount Macedon » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:34 pm

New haven america wrote:
Mount Macedon wrote:A profound misunderstanding of politics. Slash and burn away, now is the time for slashing and burning, and it will take place regardless of your feelings.

Whatever you say Banana.

Very strange indeed.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:35 pm

Anybody else remember IB? I miss her, she was nice.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:37 pm

Cekoviu wrote:Anybody else remember IB? I miss her, she was nice.

Internationalist Bastard? Where’d she go?
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:38 pm

Kowani wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Anybody else remember IB? I miss her, she was nice.

Internationalist Bastard? Where’d she go?

Dunno, but she's gone now.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:40 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Kowani wrote:Internationalist Bastard? Where’d she go?

Dunno, but she's gone now.

Sad.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Albrenia » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:44 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:I'm planning to write in Bernie if he doesn't win the nomination.


That would seem to be most unwise unless you want more Trump, but your vote is yours to do with as you will.

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Duvniask » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:51 pm

New haven america wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:I'm planning to write in Bernie if he doesn't win the nomination.

Fun fact, if Biden doesn't win then Trump will probably be able to stack the Scotus Conservative 7-2.

You see, the thing about this type of slash and burn tactic is that you're the only one getting burned by it. Oh, and BTW, Biden and Sanders have almost the exact same presidential goals.

Because we all know the most reliable predictor of what you're going to do as president is what you're willing to say to get elected president. As if we're supposed to believe campaign promises are legally binding or something.

With Sanders you know he's fought for the same basic things his entire life: basic soc-dem stuff, fundamental welfare state provisions to address the failings of hyper-capitalist America. With Biden you don't even have that, you instead have a guy with a fairly conservative record, who among other things worked to cut social security and supported the neocon push to bring the US into Iraq. Why should I care what his professed goals as president are?
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Postby Mount Macedon » Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:12 pm

Duvniask wrote:
New haven america wrote:Fun fact, if Biden doesn't win then Trump will probably be able to stack the Scotus Conservative 7-2.

You see, the thing about this type of slash and burn tactic is that you're the only one getting burned by it. Oh, and BTW, Biden and Sanders have almost the exact same presidential goals.

Because we all know the most reliable predictor of what you're going to do as president is what you're willing to say to get elected president. As if we're supposed to believe campaign promises are legally binding or something.

With Sanders you know he's fought for the same basic things his entire life: basic soc-dem stuff, fundamental welfare state provisions to address the failings of hyper-capitalist America. With Biden you don't even have that, you instead have a guy with a fairly conservative record, who among other things worked to cut social security and supported the neocon push to bring the US into Iraq. Why should I care what his professed goals as president are?

Ah but you see he is good now for some reason.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Postby Novus America » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:27 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:I'm planning to write in Bernie if he doesn't win the nomination.


If? He has no chance. It is over.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Fahran » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:12 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:I'm planning to write in Bernie if he doesn't win the nomination.

That's your right but one does wonder on the efficacy of it.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Fahran » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:14 pm

Kowani wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Dunno, but she's gone now.

Sad.

A shame. I was fond of her.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Postby The South Falls » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:14 pm

Fahran wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:I'm planning to write in Bernie if he doesn't win the nomination.

That's your right but one does wonder on the efficacy of it.

I, for one, would write in Peter Griffin for maximum carnage.
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Postby Fahran » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:15 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Fahran wrote:That's your right but one does wonder on the efficacy of it.

I, for one, would write in Peter Griffin for maximum carnage.

I'd write in someone from NSG if that was my goal.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Postby The South Falls » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:21 pm

Fahran wrote:
The South Falls wrote:I, for one, would write in Peter Griffin for maximum carnage.

I'd write in someone from NSG if that was my goal.

If we drew a random NSGer, and put them in charge of the US, odds are we'd have an ancap-nazbol government with fully-automated goats in congress.
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:03 am

The South Falls wrote:
Fahran wrote:I'd write in someone from NSG if that was my goal.

If we drew a random NSGer, and put them in charge of the US, odds are we'd have an ancap-nazbol government with fully-automated goats in congress.


You mock, but the only way to keep a totalitarian people's state decentralised is for the goatsenate to eat the paper trail.
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Mirial Magna
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Ex-Nation

Postby Mirial Magna » Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:22 am

Mount Macedon wrote:
Mirial Magna wrote:Is that... * sob sob*... politics I don't like?
*sob sob*
Oh no, I'm gonna...
I'm gonna...
I'm gonna DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM!!!

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Postby Liriena » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:08 am

Yooooo, it's seriously beginning to look like I was wrong to doubt comrade coronavirus. In just a few weeks we've gotten a market meltdown and governments around the world, including right-wing kakistocracies like the Trump administration, flirting with progressive policies, and it's all thanks to this one round boy.

I'm a viral accelerationist now.
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Postby Ayro Va » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:11 am

Liriena wrote:Yooooo, it's seriously beginning to look like I was wrong to doubt comrade coronavirus. In just a few weeks we've gotten a market meltdown and governments around the world, including right-wing kakistocracies like the Trump administration, flirting with progressive policies, and it's all thanks to this one round boy.

I'm a viral accelerationist now.


Same. Thank you, Comrade Coronavirus.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:17 am

Ayro Va wrote:
Liriena wrote:Yooooo, it's seriously beginning to look like I was wrong to doubt comrade coronavirus. In just a few weeks we've gotten a market meltdown and governments around the world, including right-wing kakistocracies like the Trump administration, flirting with progressive policies, and it's all thanks to this one round boy.

I'm a viral accelerationist now.


Same. Thank you, Comrade Coronavirus.

tfw a Republican-dominated Senate overwhelmingly passes a bill that gives people something close to universal health care (at least for testing), grants paid sick leave and bolsters the welfare state, with the added, delicious cherry on top that the same Republican-dominated Senate bullies the right-wing "libertarians" into submission when they try to sabotage the labour rights in that bill

It feels soooo good.
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Mirial Magna
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Ex-Nation

Postby Mirial Magna » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:38 am

Liriena wrote:
Ayro Va wrote:
Same. Thank you, Comrade Coronavirus.

tfw a Republican-dominated Senate overwhelmingly passes a bill that gives people something close to universal health care (at least for testing), grants paid sick leave and bolsters the welfare state, with the added, delicious cherry on top that the same Republican-dominated Senate bullies the right-wing "libertarians" into submission when they try to sabotage the labour rights in that bill

It feels soooo good.

They also closed the borders.
We are headed into Nazbol territory, and I can't be any happier.
If only these policies were permanent...
Abril 8, 4020: The Republic has tracked General Grievous to Utapau! Perhaps this terrible clone war is finally coming to an end, even if we are on the losing side.

We do not use NS stats, but we do use the outcome of events.
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