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Under which leaders (if any) was the Soviet Union socialist?

Lenin (1918-1924)
411
34%
Stalin (1924-1953)
223
19%
Khrushchev (1953-1964)
149
12%
Brezhnev (1964-1982)
125
10%
Gorbachev (1985-1991)
126
10%
Never
167
14%
 
Total votes : 1201

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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:37 pm

Mirial Magna wrote:
Giapoagnos wrote:Hello :)
Also, while on this topic, are you more into Bernie or Biden?

I think you already know the answer. Unless you're one of those "people" who think the Democrats represent even a majority of the left.

I'd have a pretty tough time if the race was between Trump and Bernie, honestly.

It'll be Trump vs Biden, the democrats would rather have a geriatric neoliberal than someone who challenges the establishment, and they've rigged the primaries to make sure of it
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

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Postby Fahran » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:38 pm

Crysuko wrote:It'll be Trump vs Biden, the democrats would rather have a geriatric neoliberal than someone who challenges the establishment, and they've rigged the primaries to make sure of it

I do not believe the primary was rigged this time around. It's simply that Sanders had limited appeal among older voters, who comprise the majority of people voting as per usual, and among black voters, who dragged Biden across the finish line in the South, giving him the momentum he needed to be a viable candidate. The establishment coming together behind their most viable and popular candidate is hardly "rigging."
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby Fahran » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:43 pm

Imperium Romanum Sanctis wrote:The Romans actually had sacred geese in the Temple of Juno.

They were deeply venerated, and it was considered a major crime to harm them.

I have read a story about a crowd of Egyptians lynching a Roman soldier after he killed a cat as well. Moral of the story: you don't harm the sacred animals or the masses will hate you forever and/or possibly murder you. Of course, animal sacrifices were still commonly practiced - with cows, sheep, goats, and doves being popular victims. Christianity did put a stop to some of that.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby Benuty » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:46 pm

Fahran wrote:
Imperium Romanum Sanctis wrote:The Romans actually had sacred geese in the Temple of Juno.

They were deeply venerated, and it was considered a major crime to harm them.

I have read a story about a crowd of Egyptians lynching a Roman soldier after he killed a cat as well. Moral of the story: you don't harm the sacred animals or the masses will hate you forever and/or possibly murder you. Of course, animal sacrifices were still commonly practiced - with cows, sheep, goats, and doves being popular victims. Christianity did put a stop to some of that.

A relevant case, the Jews in the Elephantine temple complex pissed off a nearby priestly order in Egypt due to sacrificing Rams. Suffice to say, the Egyptians paid off the local Persian military unit to sack the place, and as a result helped mend one of the early Jewish schisms. This particular temple placed great emphasis on dual worship of Yahweh, and Asherah, and in their attempt to repair it they juggled with both mainstream Jews in Jerusalem, and Samaritans to gather funding.
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Postby Mount Macedon » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:51 pm

There is no left. Unsure what purpose this thread serves now.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Postby Crysuko » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:54 pm

Mount Macedon wrote:There is no left. Unsure what purpose this thread serves now.

Ah, I see we have a doomer on staff
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Mount Macedon » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:19 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Mount Macedon wrote:There is no left. Unsure what purpose this thread serves now.

Ah, I see we have a doomer on staff

If that's how you describe clear sight.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Postby Crysuko » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:58 pm

Mount Macedon wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Ah, I see we have a doomer on staff

If that's how you describe clear sight.

Really crawls in the skin

for as long as you keep dooming, I will keep mocking you
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Mount Macedon
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Postby Mount Macedon » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:07 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Mount Macedon wrote:If that's how you describe clear sight.

Really crawls in the skin

for as long as you keep dooming, I will keep mocking you

I don't care if you mock me. I don't take that kind of coping mechanism personally at all.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Postby Crysuko » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:14 pm

Mount Macedon wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Really crawls in the skin

for as long as you keep dooming, I will keep mocking you

I don't care if you mock me. I don't take that kind of coping mechanism personally at all.

I mock because doomers are useless, you won't do any kind of analysis beyond what's needed to support your depression and in general will just gloom and sulk and whinge. Be off with you, this thread is here to stay.
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Mount Macedon » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:17 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Mount Macedon wrote:I don't care if you mock me. I don't take that kind of coping mechanism personally at all.

I mock because doomers are useless, you won't do any kind of analysis beyond what's needed to support your depression and in general will just gloom and sulk and whinge. Be off with you, this thread is here to stay.

You can't optimism you're way out of reality. The left has been destroyed over the past thirty years, and the thing that exists in its place is largely a farce.

Luckily capitalism creates its own gravediggers, the thesis creates its antithesis, and you should be instead looking to see what new is emerging in these hard and unstable times ahead. If that is "dooming" then you have a strange definition of doom.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Postby Crysuko » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:25 pm

Mount Macedon wrote:
Crysuko wrote:I mock because doomers are useless, you won't do any kind of analysis beyond what's needed to support your depression and in general will just gloom and sulk and whinge. Be off with you, this thread is here to stay.

You can't optimism you're way out of reality. The left has been destroyed over the past thirty years, and the thing that exists in its place is largely a farce.

Luckily capitalism creates its own gravediggers, the thesis creates its antithesis, and you should be instead looking to see what new is emerging in these hard and unstable times ahead. If that is "dooming" then you have a strange definition of doom.

k, you're just annoying now. To the ignore list with you.
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Official thread euthanologist
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Postby Mount Macedon » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:26 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Mount Macedon wrote:You can't optimism you're way out of reality. The left has been destroyed over the past thirty years, and the thing that exists in its place is largely a farce.

Luckily capitalism creates its own gravediggers, the thesis creates its antithesis, and you should be instead looking to see what new is emerging in these hard and unstable times ahead. If that is "dooming" then you have a strange definition of doom.

k, you're just annoying now. To the ignore list with you.

Okay "syndicalist".
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Postby Woudlora » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:20 pm

Mount Macedon wrote:There is no left. Unsure what purpose this thread serves now.

Cryptic, terse, inflammatory... I’m intrigued. What do you mean when you say “There is no left”?
I'm in college, seeking knowledge!

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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:32 pm

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Hanafuridake wrote:
That's a really weird claim when animal rights in the West are a very recent thing and Christian scholars argued that animals were mechanical and unfeeling beings who could be treated however man liked because he had dominion over everything on earth.

Hell, you'll find literal dog graves from the Roman era with epitaphs like "My eyes were wet with tears, our little dog, when I bore thee (to the grave)... So, Patricus, never again shall thou give me a thousand kisses. Never canst thou be contentedly in my lap. In sadness have I buried thee, and thou deservist. In a resting place of marble, I have put thee for all time by the side of my shade. In thy qualities, sagacious thou wert like a human being. Ah, me! What a loved companion have we lost!".


Plutarch wrote a whole book on vegetarianism based on compassion.
On the Eating of Flesh wrote:For sake of some little mouthful of flesh, we deprive a soul of the sun and light. And we fancy that the voices it utters and screams forth to us are nothing else but certain inarticulate sounds and noises, and not the entreaties of each of them.
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Postby Mount Macedon » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:37 pm

Woudlora wrote:
Mount Macedon wrote:There is no left. Unsure what purpose this thread serves now.

Cryptic, terse, inflammatory... I’m intrigued. What do you mean when you say “There is no left”?

While there is no coherent workers' movement there is no left. What we have instead is the perverse and incoherent ghosts and echoes of that movement, that do not play even the smallest role in changing history.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Postby Duvniask » Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:30 am

Crysuko wrote:
Mount Macedon wrote:You can't optimism you're way out of reality. The left has been destroyed over the past thirty years, and the thing that exists in its place is largely a farce.

Luckily capitalism creates its own gravediggers, the thesis creates its antithesis, and you should be instead looking to see what new is emerging in these hard and unstable times ahead. If that is "dooming" then you have a strange definition of doom.

k, you're just annoying now. To the ignore list with you.

Strange reason to ignore someone, I mean based on an interaction of like 4 posts...
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Postby Mirial Magna » Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:18 am

Mount Macedon wrote:There is no left. Unsure what purpose this thread serves now.

Is that... * sob sob*... politics I don't like?
*sob sob*
Oh no, I'm gonna...
I'm gonna...
I'm gonna DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM!!!
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Postby Liriena » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:19 am

Doomers are just boomers in zoomers' bodies.
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Postby Mirial Magna » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:30 am

Liriena wrote:Doomers are just boomers in zoomers' bodies.

We should get rid of all "oomer" memes except Boomer and Coomer because they make people angry.
Abril 8, 4020: The Republic has tracked General Grievous to Utapau! Perhaps this terrible clone war is finally coming to an end, even if we are on the losing side.

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Postby Crysuko » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:38 am

Duvniask wrote:
Crysuko wrote:k, you're just annoying now. To the ignore list with you.

Strange reason to ignore someone, I mean based on an interaction of like 4 posts...

All he's going to do is more miserable and useless dooming so why not.
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Official thread euthanologist
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Postby Benuty » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:43 am

Crysuko wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Strange reason to ignore someone, I mean based on an interaction of like 4 posts...

All he's going to do is more miserable and useless dooming so why not.

Useless dooming which keeps the population far more in check than state sanctioned genocide ever has. You should feel honored, my test subjects are slowly spreading throughout the human race assimilating them into a more flavorful crowd. Even the one you ignored has their place in the great game.
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Postby Crysuko » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:44 am

Benuty wrote:
Crysuko wrote:All he's going to do is more miserable and useless dooming so why not.

Useless dooming which keeps the population far more in check than state sanctioned genocide ever has. You should feel honored, my test subjects are slowly spreading throughout the human race assimilating them into a more flavorful crowd. Even the one you ignored has their place in the great game.

The king of madness tips his hand.
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Official thread euthanologist
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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Postby Mount Macedon » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:01 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Crysuko wrote:k, you're just annoying now. To the ignore list with you.

Strange reason to ignore someone, I mean based on an interaction of like 4 posts...

That's what some people are like. Some just don't want to hear it.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Postby Mount Macedon » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:02 pm

Mirial Magna wrote:
Mount Macedon wrote:There is no left. Unsure what purpose this thread serves now.

Is that... * sob sob*... politics I don't like?
*sob sob*
Oh no, I'm gonna...
I'm gonna...
I'm gonna DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM!!!

What I like is fairly unimportant. My personal preferences don't really factor into this analysis.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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