LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Cekoviu]

Why are you in this thread? I thought you were a spectre who only haunted the RWDT.

A spectre how fitting, just as Virgil guides the would-be damned to the path of redemption so too must I guide those who can be of use to something greater.

I can't tell if this is poetic ingenuity or incomprehensible gibberish.

[Benuty]

A spectre how fitting, just as Virgil guides the would-be damned to the path of redemption so too must I guide those who can be of use to something greater.

Why does every post you make sound like it comes from a Sith Lord masquerading as a heroic mentor and guide to impressionable persons beginning the hero's journey?

Call it regret, or perhaps sorrow, but the crown does weigh quite heavy on me. Madness is to the equilibrium of the sterility of order. So many worlds, and universes destroyed, and recreated in an endless gambit of chess, plot, mayhem, and genocide...it does wear on me. Eventually when the right people on the right timeline converge...things will get far better.

[Kowani]

A spectre how fitting, just as Virgil guides the would-be damned to the path of redemption so too must I guide those who can be of use to something greater.

I can't tell if this is poetic ingenuity or incomprehensible gibberish.

A bit of both, it would appear.

[Fahran]

A spectre how fitting, just as Virgil guides the would-be damned to the path of redemption so too must I guide those who can be of use to something greater.

I can't tell if this is poetic ingenuity or incomprehensible gibberish.

It's an allusion to the Divine Comedy but it's also laced with accelerationism. You're not tall enough for this ride, friendo.

[Benuty]

A spectre how fitting, just as Virgil guides the would-be damned to the path of redemption so too must I guide those who can be of use to something greater.

I can't tell if this is poetic ingenuity or incomprehensible gibberish.

Madness carries the thin line in such matters.

[Albrenia]

I wonder who Beatrice is in this particular metaphor.

[Fahran]

I wonder who Beatrice is in this particular metaphor.

Lumi or Nana. Somebody wholesome no doubt.

The most cursed possible option is OEP though. :^)

[Hanafuridake]

Kinda flies in the face of bringing back the Old Ways if you don't actually bring back most of the Old Ways.

Christianity's mellowed such people in the face of human and animal suffering.

That's a really weird claim when animal rights in the West are a very recent thing and Christian scholars argued that animals were mechanical and unfeeling beings who could be treated however man liked because he had dominion over everything on earth.

[The Snazzylands]

Christianity's mellowed such people in the face of human and animal suffering.

That's a really weird claim when animal rights in the West are a very recent thing and Christian scholars argued that animals were mechanical and unfeeling beings who could be treated however man liked because he had dominion over everything on earth.

Well you see, every social reform movement in Western history was supported by some Christians and occurred during a time when Christianity was the dominant religion. Therefore, Christianity is responsible for everything from animal rights to women's suffrage to gluten-free dining options.

[Fahran]

That's a really weird claim when animal rights in the West are a very recent thing and Christian scholars argued that animals were mechanical and unfeeling beings who could be treated however man liked because he had dominion over everything on earth.

Well you see, every social reform movement in Western history was supported by some Christians and occurred during a time when Christianity was the dominant religion. Therefore, Christianity is responsible for everything from animal rights to women's suffrage to gluten-free dining options.

That's an extremely... generous interpretation in the absence of supporting evidence when we have Christian scholars debating whether animals even have souls in the medieval period. I would say their perspective tended more towards indifference with varying shades of custodianship to lord and master over all beasts, fowl, and fish.

[Nakena]

That's a really weird claim when animal rights in the West are a very recent thing and Christian scholars argued that animals were mechanical and unfeeling beings who could be treated however man liked because he had dominion over everything on earth.

Well you see, every social reform movement in Western history was supported by some Christians and occurred during a time when Christianity was the dominant religion. Therefore, Christianity is responsible for everything from animal rights to women's suffrage to gluten-free dining options.

This one is in the know, I reckon.

[Giapoagnos]

Hello

I wonder what could be the ways that Bernie could win the US elections? He seems to exemplify good social democracy, which would be helpful to their nation.
Also, while on this topic, are you more into Bernie or Biden?

[Novus America]

Hello

I wonder what could be the ways that Bernie could win the US elections? He seems to exemplify good social democracy, which would be helpful to their nation.
Also, while on this topic, are you more into Bernie or Biden?

This is more US election thread but really he cannot win. He has been getting crushed for weeks, and has no viable strategy to turn things around, and failed in the last debate, his last real hope.

[Hanafuridake]

Hello

I wonder what could be the ways that Bernie could win the US elections? He seems to exemplify good social democracy, which would be helpful to their nation.
Also, while on this topic, are you more into Bernie or Biden?

He pretty much squandered the momentum he had in the race. The debate was his last chance to land some hits on Biden, but he failed miserably because he refused to ask any real hard hitting questions to Biden about his record (despite the number of times Biden lied) except on social security, mainly because Joe's been nice to him in the past.

[Giapoagnos]

Hello

I wonder what could be the ways that Bernie could win the US elections? He seems to exemplify good social democracy, which would be helpful to their nation.
Also, while on this topic, are you more into Bernie or Biden?

He pretty much squandered the momentum he had in the race. The debate was his last chance to land some hits on Biden, but he failed miserably because he refused to ask any real hard hitting questions to Biden about his record (despite the number of times Biden lied) except on social security, mainly because Joe's been nice to him in the past.

Oh, that's quite sad. Though I hope the pandemic ends up swaying more people towards his platform on universal healthcare, amongst other things.

[Novus America]

He pretty much squandered the momentum he had in the race. The debate was his last chance to land some hits on Biden, but he failed miserably because he refused to ask any real hard hitting questions to Biden about his record (despite the number of times Biden lied) except on social security, mainly because Joe's been nice to him in the past.

Oh, that's quite sad. Though I hope the pandemic ends up swaying more people towards his platform on universal healthcare, amongst other things.

Some things he promoted will live on, but he is done as a viable candidate.
Someone else will have to carry his torch and learn from his mistakes.

[Salus Maior]

Christianity's mellowed such people in the face of human and animal suffering.

That's a really weird claim when animal rights in the West are a very recent thing and Christian scholars argued that animals were mechanical and unfeeling beings who could be treated however man liked because he had dominion over everything on earth.

I think that’s true for a lot of scholars, but I think it’s worthwhile to note that St,Francis of Assisi was essentially making animal rights arguments in the Middle Ages.

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

That's a really weird claim when animal rights in the West are a very recent thing and Christian scholars argued that animals were mechanical and unfeeling beings who could be treated however man liked because he had dominion over everything on earth.

I think that’s true for a lot of scholars, but I think it’s worthwhile to note that St,Francis of Assisi was essentially making animal rights arguments in the Middle Ages.

It's also worth noting that animal sacrifices became a rarity after Christianity spread throughout most of Europe.

I don't know whether such things can be considered animal rights, but discouraging people from gutting live animals on sacrificial altars certainly helped to mitigate a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering.

[Duvniask]

Christianity's mellowed such people in the face of human and animal suffering.

That's a really weird claim when animal rights in the West are a very recent thing and Christian scholars argued that animals were mechanical and unfeeling beings who could be treated however man liked because he had dominion over everything on earth.

Hell, you'll find literal dog graves from the Roman era with epitaphs like "My eyes were wet with tears, our little dog, when I bore thee (to the grave)... So, Patricus, never again shall thou give me a thousand kisses. Never canst thou be contentedly in my lap. In sadness have I buried thee, and thou deservist. In a resting place of marble, I have put thee for all time by the side of my shade. In thy qualities, sagacious thou wert like a human being. Ah, me! What a loved companion have we lost!".

[Salus Maior]

That's a really weird claim when animal rights in the West are a very recent thing and Christian scholars argued that animals were mechanical and unfeeling beings who could be treated however man liked because he had dominion over everything on earth.

Hell, you'll find literal dog graves from the Roman era with epitaphs like "My eyes were wet with tears, our little dog, when I bore thee (to the grave)... So, Patricus, never again shall thou give me a thousand kisses. Never canst thou be contentedly in my lap. In sadness have I buried thee, and thou deservist. In a resting place of marble, I have put thee for all time by the side of my shade. In thy qualities, sagacious thou wert like a human being. Ah, me! What a loved companion have we lost!".

Almost every culture has an affinity for dog companions. That’s why we made them, after all.

I don’t think that’s particularly remarkable.

[Duvniask]

Hell, you'll find literal dog graves from the Roman era with epitaphs like "My eyes were wet with tears, our little dog, when I bore thee (to the grave)... So, Patricus, never again shall thou give me a thousand kisses. Never canst thou be contentedly in my lap. In sadness have I buried thee, and thou deservist. In a resting place of marble, I have put thee for all time by the side of my shade. In thy qualities, sagacious thou wert like a human being. Ah, me! What a loved companion have we lost!".

Almost every culture has an affinity for dog companions. That’s why we made them, after all.

I don’t think that’s particularly remarkable.

It goes to show that humans have thought of other animals as beings that are more than mere means to serve our ends and have regarded them with compassion for a long time. In other words, recognition that beings outside the human race have the ability to feel pain, joy, and so forth; presumably the first necessary step to conceive of animals having "rights", or at the very least that they shouldn't suffer needlessly.

[Salus Maior]

Almost every culture has an affinity for dog companions. That’s why we made them, after all.

I don’t think that’s particularly remarkable.

It goes to show that humans have thought of other animals as beings that are more than mere means to serve our ends and have regarded them with compassion for a long time. In other words, recognition that beings outside the human race have the ability to feel pain, joy, and so forth; presumably the first necessary step to conceive of animals having "rights", or at the very least that they shouldn't suffer needlessly.

For dogs, of course. I don’t know if you can really find anything similar for the geese they disembowel.

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

It goes to show that humans have thought of other animals as beings that are more than mere means to serve our ends and have regarded them with compassion for a long time. In other words, recognition that beings outside the human race have the ability to feel pain, joy, and so forth; presumably the first necessary step to conceive of animals having "rights", or at the very least that they shouldn't suffer needlessly.

For dogs, of course. I don’t know if you can really find anything similar for the geese they disembowel.

The Romans actually had sacred geese in the Temple of Juno.

They were deeply venerated, and it was considered a major crime to harm them.

[Mirial Magna]

Hello
Also, while on this topic, are you more into Bernie or Biden?

I think you already know the answer. Unless you're one of those "people" who think the Democrats represent even a majority of the left.

I'd have a pretty tough time if the race was between Trump and Bernie, honestly.

[Rostavykhan]

Hello

I wonder what could be the ways that Bernie could win the US elections? He seems to exemplify good social democracy, which would be helpful to their nation.
Also, while on this topic, are you more into Bernie or Biden?

I would go into detail concerning how I think things could be changed to support Sanders or other future Socialist politicians, but they tend to involve phrases like "Cultural Revolution" and "Purge", so I'll refrain for the sake of NS.

OEP said it better anyhow.