LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Salus Maior]

They can believe what they want. It's just not the same thing as the original pagans.

It's a modern movement inspired by them.

That's only really true for some movements. Slavic neo-pagans for example have a lot to reconstruct because of the lack of written sources yeah. But Greco-Roman neo-pagans know pretty much everything and believe the same things, barring mystery cult stuff which true to the name is mysterious and hard to figure out.

Of course, you are a Hellenic Neo-Pagan so of course that's what you would naturally believe.

There is, however, such a thing as oral tradition. Not everything is expressly written down. Which is the problem with Sola Scriptura Protestants.

A living tradition is invaluable.

[Salus Maior]

Judaism doesn't cause you can only do that at the Temple, which got destroyed and doesn't exist. Idk if Islam does animal sacrifice. Christianity never did.

Animal sacrifice is a fairly big thing in Islam. I am genuinely surprised you didn knew about it.

I'm not all that interested in Islam beyond its interactions with Christians.

[Salus Maior]

Most modern pagans do neither.

Kinda flies in the face of bringing back the Old Ways if you don't actually bring back most of the Old Ways.

Christianity's mellowed such people in the face of human and animal suffering.

[Salus Maior]

Theodosius could be said to have done just that. Traditional practices were met with the death penalty and he at the very least tolerated, if not authorized, temples and other such pagan sites to be destroyed en masse. Very amusingly non-Christlike actions.

The Frank's under Charlemagne did similar things, hell the Holy Roman Empire was essentially created from Charlemagne's eastern conquests of pagan lands; excluding Italy which was already Christian.


Oh and there's of course also the Baltic Crusade where the Teutonic Knights and many nobles committed outright genocide against the Lithuanian pagans.

The Saxons weren't a target until they were constantly raiding Frankish lands.

[Genivaria]

Isn't animal sacrifice directly mentioned in Luke?

Probably, but Christ's sacrifice is final sacrifice. That's how the Church has understood it.

Atonement comes from repentence and seeking forgiveness, not animal sacrifices.

Isn't your whole religion based on a single human sacrifice?

[Fahran]

Isn't your whole religion based on a single human sacrifice?

That's a very Jewish or Pagan Roman objection to Christianity, anon.

[Genivaria]

Isn't your whole religion based on a single human sacrifice?

That's a very Jewish or Pagan Roman objection to Christianity, anon.

Weird response.
So you're saying Christianity ISN'T based on vicarious redemption?

[Fahran]

Weird response.
So you're saying Christianity ISN'T based on vicarious redemption?

I'm Jewish. That's actually one reason that, despite my respect for Christianity, I would never contemplate conversion. It strikes me as tantamount to human sacrifice.

[Genivaria]

Weird response.
So you're saying Christianity ISN'T based on vicarious redemption?

I'm Jewish. That's actually one reason that, despite my respect for Christianity, I would never contemplate conversion. It strikes me as tantamount to human sacrifice.

Ah fair enough, I guess I misunderstood your response.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That's only really true for some movements. Slavic neo-pagans for example have a lot to reconstruct because of the lack of written sources yeah. But Greco-Roman neo-pagans know pretty much everything and believe the same things, barring mystery cult stuff which true to the name is mysterious and hard to figure out.

Of course, you are a Hellenic Neo-Pagan so of course that's what you would naturally believe.

There is, however, such a thing as oral tradition. Not everything is expressly written down. Which is the problem with Sola Scriptura Protestants.

A living tradition is invaluable.

Oh absolutely they are, and it's tragic Christianity and Islam destroyed so many. If nothing else one good thing about the modern era is that Christianity has lost its premier place in the west and people can actually venture beyond it in terms of religious beliefs again.

[Genivaria]

Of course, you are a Hellenic Neo-Pagan so of course that's what you would naturally believe.

There is, however, such a thing as oral tradition. Not everything is expressly written down. Which is the problem with Sola Scriptura Protestants.

A living tradition is invaluable.

Oh absolutely they are, and it's tragic Christianity and Islam destroyed so many. If nothing else one good thing about the modern era is that Christianity has lost its premier place in the west and people can actually venture beyond it in terms of religious beliefs again.

But-but that's heresy.

[Benuty]

Of course, you are a Hellenic Neo-Pagan so of course that's what you would naturally believe.

There is, however, such a thing as oral tradition. Not everything is expressly written down. Which is the problem with Sola Scriptura Protestants.

A living tradition is invaluable.

Oh absolutely they are, and it's tragic Christianity and Islam destroyed so many. If nothing else one good thing about the modern era is that Christianity has lost its premier place in the west and people can actually venture beyond it in terms of religious beliefs again.

I too look forward the Islamization of the west, since the original beliefs don't likely carry the same oomph as Islam does.

[Northern Davincia]

Of course, you are a Hellenic Neo-Pagan so of course that's what you would naturally believe.

There is, however, such a thing as oral tradition. Not everything is expressly written down. Which is the problem with Sola Scriptura Protestants.

A living tradition is invaluable.

Oh absolutely they are, and it's tragic Christianity and Islam destroyed so many. If nothing else one good thing about the modern era is that Christianity has lost its premier place in the west and people can actually venture beyond it in terms of religious beliefs again.

The pagan faiths have nothing to offer mankind, other than an avenue of defiance. What virtues do the heathen gods possess that make them worthy of attention?

[Benuty]

Oh absolutely they are, and it's tragic Christianity and Islam destroyed so many. If nothing else one good thing about the modern era is that Christianity has lost its premier place in the west and people can actually venture beyond it in terms of religious beliefs again.

But-but that's heresy.

I don't feel any pity for the old world pagans of a fallen Rome.

[AP 35: Artemius speaks to Julian]. Know therefore that the strength and power of Christ is invincible and unconquerable. You yourself are certainly convinced of this from the oracles that the physician and quaestor Oribasius recently brought you from the Apollo in Delphi. But I will repeat the oracle to you, whether you wish to hear it or not. It runs as follows:

Go tell the king the wondrous hall is fallen to the ground.
Now Phoebus has a cell no more, no laurel that foretells,
No talking spring; the water that once spoke is heard no more.

A messenger from the Oracle of Delphi to the Apostate Julian.

Its kind of bad when teaching kids about homosexuality and lesbianism basically causes a school area to secede as a form of protest due in part to the religion of the school goers, and their parents.

[Fahran]

The pagan faiths have nothing to offer mankind, other than an avenue of defiance. What virtues do the heathen gods possess that make them worthy of attention?

I think a good many cuckholds would appreciate Zeus's authoritative characterization honestly.

[Benuty]

https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/201 ... of-delphi/

For some context on the bitchslapping of Julian.

[Benuty]

The pagan faiths have nothing to offer mankind, other than an avenue of defiance. What virtues do the heathen gods possess that make them worthy of attention?

I think a good many cuckholds would appreciate Zeus's authoritative characterization honestly.

The bulls or the cuckholds? Since Zeus would honestly appeal to both.

[Fahran]

I think a good many cuckholds would appreciate Zeus's authoritative characterization honestly.

The bulls or the cuckholds? Since Zeus would honestly appeal to both.

Bulls? I regret treading this path. I want to go back to being a gud Yiddish gurl.

[Benuty]

The bulls or the cuckholds? Since Zeus would honestly appeal to both.

Bulls? I regret treading this path. I want to go back to being a gud Yiddish gurl.

The path to creating a better world requires learning knowledge that many consider...unnatural.

[Cekoviu]

Bulls? I regret treading this path. I want to go back to being a gud Yiddish gurl.

The path to creating a better world requires learning knowledge that many consider...unnatural.

Why are you in this thread? I thought you were a spectre who only haunted the RWDT.

[Genivaria]

The pagan faiths have nothing to offer mankind, other than an avenue of defiance. What virtues do the heathen gods possess that make them worthy of attention?

I think a good many cuckholds would appreciate Zeus's authoritative characterization honestly.

I really do wish we could have a pantheon of gods that represent human virtues to aspire to and not just humanities bullshit.
Sadly that seems to only be found in the Elder Scrolls.

[Benuty]

I think a good many cuckholds would appreciate Zeus's authoritative characterization honestly.

I really do wish we could have a pantheon of gods that represent human virtues to aspire to and not just humanities bullshit.
Sadly that seems to only be found in the Elder Scrolls.

Unless you are a Dunmer, in which the daedra they worship do give credence to whatever bullshit you want your group to do (case in point, the enslavement of argonians). Though again not all Daedra are bad so its a mixed bag.

[Genivaria]

I really do wish we could have a pantheon of gods that represent human virtues to aspire to and not just humanities bullshit.
Sadly that seems to only be found in the Elder Scrolls.

Unless you are a Dunmer, in which the daedra they worship do give credence to whatever bullshit you want your group to do (case in point, the enslavement of argonians). Though again not all Daedra are bad so its a mixed bag.

Touche Sera.

[Benuty]

The path to creating a better world requires learning knowledge that many consider...unnatural.

Why are you in this thread? I thought you were a spectre who only haunted the RWDT.

A spectre how fitting, just as Virgil guides the would-be damned to the path of redemption so too must I guide those who can be of use to something greater.

[Fahran]

Why are you in this thread? I thought you were a spectre who only haunted the RWDT.

A spectre how fitting, just as Virgil guides the would-be damned to the path of redemption so too must I guide those who can be of use to something greater.

Why does every post you make sound like it comes from a Sith Lord masquerading as a heroic mentor and guide to impressionable persons beginning the hero's journey?