LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Salus Maior]

I sure love to see the usual flood of NSG right-wingers show up to the LWDT trying to use anti-Semitic remarks that a Jewish guy from two-hundred years ago made - likely in a sarcastic manner to mock his detractors - as a """clever""" gotcha to attempt to "own the libs" via the idea of cancel culture or some shit.

I gotta say, if this is the best attack that can be brought up to try and discredit the ideas of Socialism, then it's utterly dogshit lmao. Gonna be all the more hilarious when Capitalism's finally dismantled and workers get to enjoy the economic democracy of Socialism uwu

....Did you just....Uwu?

[Torrocca]

I sure love to see the usual flood of NSG right-wingers show up to the LWDT trying to use anti-Semitic remarks that a Jewish guy from two-hundred years ago made - likely in a sarcastic manner to mock his detractors - as a """clever""" gotcha to attempt to "own the libs" via the idea of cancel culture or some shit.

I gotta say, if this is the best attack that can be brought up to try and discredit the ideas of Socialism, then it's utterly dogshit lmao. Gonna be all the more hilarious when Capitalism's finally dismantled and workers get to enjoy the economic democracy of Socialism uwu

....Did you just....Uwu?

i stand fully behind my ironic degeneracy with undying fanaticism

shoot me, you'll just be killing a memetic shitposter

[Proctopeo]

I sure love to see the usual flood of NSG right-wingers show up to the LWDT trying to use anti-Semitic remarks that a Jewish guy from two-hundred years ago made - likely in a sarcastic manner to mock his detractors - as a """clever""" gotcha to attempt to "own the libs" via the idea of cancel culture or some shit.

I gotta say, if this is the best attack that can be brought up to try and discredit the ideas of Socialism, then it's utterly dogshit lmao. Gonna be all the more hilarious when Capitalism's finally dismantled and workers get to enjoy the economic democracy of Socialism uwu

It's by no means the best attack. It's being made specifically because it's a bad argument. It's to prove a point, and perhaps to act as a litmus test for hypocrisy when it comes to situations like this.

[Salus Maior]

....Did you just....Uwu?

i stand fully behind my ironic degeneracy with undying fanaticism

shoot me, you'll just be killing a memetic shitposter

I will do what I must.

[Torrocca]

i stand fully behind my ironic degeneracy with undying fanaticism

shoot me, you'll just be killing a memetic shitposter

I will do what I must.

my martyrdom shall be a glorious rallying cry for those who come after me uwu

[Pasong Tirad]

I will do what I must.

my martyrdom shall be a glorious rallying cry for those who come after me uwu

The toiling masses will be crying uwu as you are sent to the gallows.

Uwuuuuuuuu

Uwuuuuuuuuuuuuu

UWUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[Valrifell]

my martyrdom shall be a glorious rallying cry for those who come after me uwu

The toiling masses will be crying uwu as you are sent to the gallows.

Uwuuuuuuuu

Uwuuuuuuuuuuuuu

UWUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

UWU COMRADES, THEY CAN'T STOP US ALL

UWUUUUUUUUUU

[Fahran]

I miss Salazar so much right now.

[Salus Maior]

The toiling masses will be crying uwu as you are sent to the gallows.

Uwuuuuuuuu

Uwuuuuuuuuuuuuu

UWUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

UWU COMRADES, THEY CAN'T STOP US ALL

UWUUUUUUUUUU

*audibly sighs as I pick up a flamethrower*

[Torrocca]

UWU COMRADES, THEY CAN'T STOP US ALL

UWUUUUUUUUUU

*audibly sighs as I pick up a flamethrower*

Even in death, the uwus are more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

[Xuloqoia]

I miss Salazar so much right now.

But wasn't Deian/Loth declared DOS due to committing a fairly serious offense in RL? Or do you mean the Portuguese head of state?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

TIL Engels actually wanted the US to take over Mexico, and Marx similarly concurred (at least for California).

So not only were the dynamic duo racists and anti-semites, they were also imperialists. Also, I think this is a win for OEP. Even the fathers of communism say yes to Manifest Destiny including Mexico.

[Fahran]

I miss Salazar so much right now.

But wasn't Deian/Loth declared DOS due to committing a fairly serious offense in RL? Or do you mean the Portuguese head of state?

The Trad Catholic Portuguese guy who suppressed communism and social liberalism, largely without becoming a butcher like Franco or Pinochet. I was making a joke.

[Xuloqoia]

But wasn't Deian/Loth declared DOS due to committing a fairly serious offense in RL? Or do you mean the Portuguese head of state?

The Trad Catholic Portuguese guy who suppressed communism and social liberalism. I was making a joke.

Ah. Okay. Thanks for clarifying.

[Pasong Tirad]

TIL Engels actually wanted the US to take over Mexico, and Marx similarly concurred (at least for California).

So not only were the dynamic duo racists and anti-semites, they were also imperialists. Also, I think this is a win for OEP. Even the fathers of communism say yes to Manifest Destiny including Mexico.

Ok. We are how we grow beyond our forebears.

[New Paine]

TIL Engels actually wanted the US to take over Mexico, and Marx similarly concurred (at least for California).

So not only were the dynamic duo racists and anti-semites, they were also imperialists. Also, I think this is a win for OEP. Even the fathers of communism say yes to Manifest Destiny including Mexico.

Marxism is extremely imperialist.

[Torrocca]

TIL Engels actually wanted the US to take over Mexico, and Marx similarly concurred (at least for California).

So not only were the dynamic duo racists and anti-semites, they were also imperialists. Also, I think this is a win for OEP. Even the fathers of communism say yes to Manifest Destiny including Mexico.

Ok. We are how we grow beyond our forebears.

Only true Communists support American imperial interests /s

[Genivaria]

TIL Engels actually wanted the US to take over Mexico, and Marx similarly concurred (at least for California).

So not only were the dynamic duo racists and anti-semites, they were also imperialists. Also, I think this is a win for OEP. Even the fathers of communism say yes to Manifest Destiny including Mexico.

Are we talking about Zimmerman Telegram or before that?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Are we talking about Zimmerman Telegram or before that?

What? Engels died in 1895. It was his reaction to the Mexican-American War.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Marxism is extremely imperialist.

It is actually. Capitalism was necessary for socialism, therefore the invasion of Mexico, that played to their racial views and spread capitalist development, was a good thing.

[Genivaria]

Are we talking about Zimmerman Telegram or before that?

What? Engels died in 1895. It was his reaction to the Mexican-American War.

Ah my bad, but that's a weird position to hold considering Mexico wasn't even communist, until very recently it had been a Napoleonic related monarchy.
Just seems damned hypocritical.

[Torrocca]

To be somewhat fair to Marx and Engels (this being said having not read their stated reasons for why they supported American territorial gains against Mexico), the conservative Centralist Mexican government was in power for several months at the beginning of the Mexican-American War, whereas the USA at this time was still heavily decentralized and, at least to some degree in the northern states, close to Socialist/Communist ideals at the time in some regards.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

To be somewhat fair to Marx and Engels (this being said having not read their stated reasons for why they supported American territorial gains against Mexico), the conservative Centralist Mexican government was in power for several months at the beginning of the Mexican-American War, whereas the USA at this time was still heavily decentralized and, at least to some degree in the northern states, close to Socialist/Communist ideals at the time in some regards.

You know you don't have to defend their more reprehensible views. Plenty of other left-wing thinkers and writers opposed the war for bare-faced imperialism, such as Bakunin. Marx called Mexicans lazy and stupid. What's next, calling Lassalle a "nigger" was just necessary socialist praxis to dunk on revisionists?

[Torrocca]

To be somewhat fair to Marx and Engels (this being said having not read their stated reasons for why they supported American territorial gains against Mexico), the conservative Centralist Mexican government was in power for several months at the beginning of the Mexican-American War, whereas the USA at this time was still heavily decentralized and, at least to some degree in the northern states, close to Socialist/Communist ideals at the time in some regards.

You know you don't have to defend their more reprehensible views. Plenty of other left-wing thinkers and writers opposed the war for bare-faced imperialism, such as Bakunin. Marx called Mexicans lazy and stupid. What's next, calling Lassalle a "nigger" was just necessary socialist praxis to dunk on revisionists?

Nah dude, fuck their blatant racism and imperialist tendencies and shit like that; they've got absolutely no love from me. I'm just pointing out that that particular belief regarding the Mexican-American War might have more dynamics to it than just "Mexican bad lol". I absolutely disagree with it from both of those fuckers despite that.

[Genivaria]

To be somewhat fair to Marx and Engels (this being said having not read their stated reasons for why they supported American territorial gains against Mexico), the conservative Centralist Mexican government was in power for several months at the beginning of the Mexican-American War, whereas the USA at this time was still heavily decentralized and, at least to some degree in the northern states, close to Socialist/Communist ideals at the time in some regards.

You know you don't have to defend their more reprehensible views. Plenty of other left-wing thinkers and writers opposed the war for bare-faced imperialism, such as Bakunin. Marx called Mexicans lazy and stupid. What's next, calling Lassalle a "nigger" was just necessary socialist praxis to dunk on revisionists?

I mean I generally support the expansion of the US from a resource and territory point of view, but I don't think it was necessary to disenfranchise former Mexicans and the ethnic cleansing of the natives.