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Under which leaders (if any) was the Soviet Union socialist?

Lenin (1918-1924)
411
34%
Stalin (1924-1953)
223
19%
Khrushchev (1953-1964)
149
12%
Brezhnev (1964-1982)
125
10%
Gorbachev (1985-1991)
126
10%
Never
167
14%
 
Total votes : 1201

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North German Realm
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Postby North German Realm » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:15 am

Duvniask wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Honestly striking Moscow alone would be enough to neuter the Union as a threat in perpetuity, at least at that point. What I'm wondering is how they'd go around partitioning the USSR after its inevitable defeat.

In any event, an attack from either side was unlikely to happen just after the war had ended; tankies gonna be tankies, thinks the USSR was invincible. Also, the idea that the Western Allies could (not to mention should) have attacked is also unrealistic.

I mean sure. The idea that the Allies should have attacked the USSR kinda ignores what literally everyone was feeling when the war had ended in Europe. And the Soviets knew they were in no position to try anything, so the idea they'd start anything would be moot as well.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:36 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It will work this time, comrade!

Imagine coming to agreement with a fascist about the "brutishness" of socialism.

Also, the laziest argument in existence.

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Northern Davincia wrote:Perhaps socialism always degenerates into brutishness when practiced on a sufficiently large scale.

And right libertarianism degenerates into brutishnes immediately. That being said, authoritarian socialism sucks as hard as fascism does.

Right-libertarianism is a young ideology, unlike socialism, and has not been practiced on a large scale.
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Duvniask wrote:Imagine coming to agreement with a fascist about the "brutishness" of socialism.

Also, the laziest argument in existence.

They don't care about being right. This isn't discourse to them, this is a performance. They aren't here to change our minds or broaden their own understanding they're here to own the commies until we give up and leave the forum.

I reckon that few people come to NSG to change each other's minds. I shall leave it to history to decide which one of us will be vindicated.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:27 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Imagine coming to agreement with a fascist about the "brutishness" of socialism.

Also, the laziest argument in existence.

They don't care about being right. This isn't discourse to them, this is a performance. They aren't here to change our minds or broaden their own understanding they're here to own the commies until we give up and leave the forum.


Pretty much, the whole Freikorps flag thing is a good example of that.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:31 pm

What would Trotsky have thought of Monday Night Football on ESPN, this week's match-up is a division battle for the NFC North, with Green Bay Packers taking it to the Minnesota Vikings - brought to you by Toyota, Let's Go Places!?
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Postby Joohan » Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:26 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:What would Trotsky have thought of Monday Night Football on ESPN, this week's match-up is a division battle for the NFC North, with Green Bay Packers taking it to the Minnesota Vikings - brought to you by Toyota, Let's Go Places!?


" Go Pack go! " - Trotsky, December 23rd 2019 ( probably in a stereotypical nasally accent )
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:01 pm

What is everyone's thoughts on Euro-Communism, and has any leftist here been called a liberal by Marxist-Leninist and a Tankie by libertarian socialist?
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:02 pm

Joohan wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:What would Trotsky have thought of Monday Night Football on ESPN, this week's match-up is a division battle for the NFC North, with Green Bay Packers taking it to the Minnesota Vikings - brought to you by Toyota, Let's Go Places!?


" Go Pack go! " - Trotsky, December 23rd 2019 ( probably in a stereotypical nasally accent )



fascinating.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:37 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Crysuko wrote:what? where?

https://fstdt.com/GM$BCB94QHWQD#comments

Some of those comments are pretty funny, ngl.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:48 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:

Some of those comments are pretty funny, ngl.

I mean yeah, but three of them are at least casually homophobic.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:55 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Some of those comments are pretty funny, ngl.

I mean yeah, but three of them are at least casually homophobic.

Oh yes of course. That site does look utterly cancerous. I am sorry you have to be subjected to their torment.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:06 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I mean yeah, but three of them are at least casually homophobic.

Oh yes of course. That site does look utterly cancerous. I am sorry you have to be subjected to their torment.

Lol, it doesn't bother me, I'm getting a kick out of it.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:10 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Okay, I'm confused. Why did three pages of this thread just disappear?

A semi-regular got purged, I think. I can't tell you why they were purged, though. It's a riddle for the ages.

Because he was accused of being a rapist and it ended up being true.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:14 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:A semi-regular got purged, I think. I can't tell you why they were purged, though. It's a riddle for the ages.

Because he was accused of being a child rapist and it ended up being true.

FTFY.

Since it’s out in the open, now...
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:15 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:A semi-regular got purged, I think. I can't tell you why they were purged, though. It's a riddle for the ages.

Because he was accused of being a rapist and it ended up being true.



what's the story?
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List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:31 pm

Kowani wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Because he was accused of being a child rapist and it ended up being true.

FTFY.

Since it’s out in the open, now...

I didn't think the full extent of it was appropriate for polite company.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:33 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I didn't think the full extent of it was appropriate for polite company.

Who got purged?

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Postby Kowani » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:33 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Kowani wrote:FTFY.

Since it’s out in the open, now...

I didn't think the full extent of it was appropriate for polite company.

The evidence is in moderation. If the year want it, they can find it for themselves. It’s not hidden from anyone.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:34 pm

Kowani wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I didn't think the full extent of it was appropriate for polite company.

The evidence is in moderation. If the year want it, they can find it for themselves. It’s not hidden from anyone.

Yes, that's why I didn't want to post the full story. I don't like speaking of such crimes.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:35 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I didn't think the full extent of it was appropriate for polite company.

Who got purged?

Eternal Lotharia.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:36 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Who got purged?

Eternal Lotharia.

Must have been heavy.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:41 pm

Gormwood wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Eternal Lotharia.

Must have been heavy.

I guess I'm not sure what you mean by this.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:42 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Must have been heavy.

I guess I'm not sure what you mean by this.

To get DEAT and erased on a first time account.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:43 pm

Gormwood wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I guess I'm not sure what you mean by this.

To get DEAT and erased on a first time account.

Ah. Yes, the guy who accused him posted an archived version of the post, EL admitted to it, but let's not talk of such things anymore.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:51 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:The year's almost over. I want to spread a little positivity here and there. The international Left has had its victories and its defeats. From the Portuguese left gaining a lot of ground to the UK Labour getting their ass handed to them.

What do you think was the most important? Could be your favorite moment, could be what you think got (or should be getting) most of the world's attention, or it could be a defeat or a victory you think we can learn a lot from and do better in 2020.

Heavy shit hey how about we answer this

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:56 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:The year's almost over. I want to spread a little positivity here and there. The international Left has had its victories and its defeats. From the Portuguese left gaining a lot of ground to the UK Labour getting their ass handed to them.

What do you think was the most important? Could be your favorite moment, could be what you think got (or should be getting) most of the world's attention, or it could be a defeat or a victory you think we can learn a lot from and do better in 2020.

Heavy shit hey how about we answer this

I think Labour's loss of its traditional heartland should be a sign that socialists and social democrats shouldn't throw their lot in with neoliberals.
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