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by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:18 pm
by Totenborg » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:26 pm
by Galloism » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:22 pm
by Kubra » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:53 pm
The sort of people who vacation in the UAE but ain't brown.
by Byzconia » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:21 pm
Galloism wrote:Byzconia wrote:It is when you believe that everyone who disagrees with you (not you, personally, I mean the "general you") is a hivemind with no individual autonomy. It's much easier than acknowledging that individual people have different beliefs even if they fall under the same label. As we all know, Muslims and Islamists are exactly the same, as are Marxist-Leninists and anarcho-communists. See? Literally the same people. /s
As Black Forest said:The Black Forrest wrote:
The problem is all the “normal” ones tend to be quiet over contentious issues. If the loud mouths are all people see and hear; people assume.
Maybe it’s time to no longer sit out and simply dismiss the bad ones as not being “real” Christians?
Except feminism.
by Byzconia » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:22 pm
by Galloism » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:35 pm
Byzconia wrote:
Except this argument is bullshit, because it puts the onus on completely innocent people to take responsibility for nutters. Sorry, but I believe in individualism, not guilt by association. By this logic, every single white male should apologize whenever one of our own commits rape. If a feminist suggested that to you, you'd be floored, wouldn't you? So why is this any different?
It's like when any Islamophobe gets on their soapbox and goes, "Well, why don't any of the so-called 'moderate Muslims' denounce the terrorists?!?!?!?!?!" Because it's not their fucking responsibility, that's why.
by Byzconia » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:52 pm
Galloism wrote:Honestly, I’ve heard exactly that or things like that way too many times to be floored anymore.
Cool. Except they have. Repeatedly. Loudly. Hell, the moderate Muslims give more tips to the FBI on Terrorists then basically anyone else.
by Galloism » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:59 pm
Byzconia wrote:Galloism wrote:Honestly, I’ve heard exactly that or things like that way too many times to be floored anymore.
The point still stands: it's a ridiculous thing for them to say.Cool. Except they have. Repeatedly. Loudly. Hell, the moderate Muslims give more tips to the FBI on Terrorists then basically anyone else.
Which is irrelevant, because my post wasn't about whether they actually do it or not, it was about responsibility. I mean, good for them and all for doing it, but it's not their responsibility to do so.
by Byzconia » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:17 pm
Galloism wrote:Byzconia wrote:The point still stands: it's a ridiculous thing for them to say.
Which is irrelevant, because my post wasn't about whether they actually do it or not, it was about responsibility. I mean, good for them and all for doing it, but it's not their responsibility to do so.
Sure. It’s not a responsibility. They don’t have to do it.
But if the only republican talking were Donald trump and his troupe of irrational sycophants, and you never see or hear about any others, and those are the ones making policy, one could be excused for thinking that’s a good representation of the Republican Party. You have no other experience or reference to draw from. That being said there other references to draw from regularly.
On the other hand, if I see someone wearing a KKK robe. I’m going to make certain assumptions. All documentation for Klan paints a group somewhere between violently racist and violently racist if they weren’t so comically incompetent. And if these guys want to take back the name of the Klan, they’re going to have to work extra hard:
Feminism lies somewhere between those two examples.
by Galloism » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:33 pm
Byzconia wrote:Galloism wrote:Sure. It’s not a responsibility. They don’t have to do it.
But if the only republican talking were Donald trump and his troupe of irrational sycophants, and you never see or hear about any others, and those are the ones making policy, one could be excused for thinking that’s a good representation of the Republican Party. You have no other experience or reference to draw from. That being said there other references to draw from regularly.
On the other hand, if I see someone wearing a KKK robe. I’m going to make certain assumptions. All documentation for Klan paints a group somewhere between violently racist and violently racist if they weren’t so comically incompetent. And if these guys want to take back the name of the Klan, they’re going to have to work extra hard:
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Feminism lies somewhere between those two examples.
Which is an entirely unfalisifiable claim, because it's based on your personal experiences with feminists. I've seen plenty of feminists say stupid bigoted shit against men, and I've also seen other feminists call those feminists out for it. I'm not going to try and tell you that your experiences were wrong or anything like that, but I am going to tell you that personal experience is a terrible way of gathering information because of how narrow it is.
Also, bonus points for comparing feminists to an actual terrorist group that has murdered people. That definitely doesn't make your argument seem like it's in bad faith. Also, it's a false equivocation anyway, because the KKK is an actual organization. Feminism isn't. The same goes for your Republican analogy above. Again, this is all based on the idea that feminists are some evil, man-hating hivemind, whether you realize it or not. Feminism isn't an organization with a manifesto/platform that works together to achieve its particular goal(s). Nor is there any organization that can claim to act as such for feminists. It's just an unorganized group of people who agree with the idea of, according to Marriam-Webster, "the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes." Anything beyond that comes down to the individual. Hence why my comparison to a religion (Islam) and political ideology (Communism) is more accurate--because both of those types of things can be described in roughly the same terms (in fact, feminism literally is a political ideology). Fuck, even Anonymous would've been a more accurate comparison than the fucking Klan.
After the South Carolina carnage, Ancona wrote me that “My thoughts and prayers are with those whose lives were tragically taken by this lunatic and I pray that God will bring peace to those families, the community, and our Nation,” said the Imperial Wizard of the KKK of the families of the murdered black congregants. “It literally made me sick to my stomach. Those poor families….”
“Our country is in bad shape and we need to pull together. The best way for our enemies to defeat us, is to divide and conquer. Why are we making their job easier by us destroying one another?” asked Daryl Davis.
“What this sick individual did was a heinous act that did nothing to promote any viewpoint that he was trying to advance. If he thought he was promoting or advancing any cause for white people he was sadly mistaken,” said the Imperial Wizard. “What he did guarantee is that his extremist ideas will be pushed even further to the fringe and will guarantee that those with his kind of ideals and agenda will not get their radical views heard nor espoused by anyone.”
by Pasong Tirad » Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:40 am
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:38 am
Byzconia wrote:Which is an entirely unfalisifiable claim, because it's based on your personal experiences with feminists. I've seen plenty of feminists say stupid bigoted shit against men, and I've also seen other feminists call those feminists out for it. I'm not going to try and tell you that your experiences were wrong or anything like that, but I am going to tell you that personal experience is a terrible way of gathering information because of how narrow it is.
Also, bonus points for comparing feminists to an actual terrorist group that has murdered people. That definitely doesn't make your argument seem like it's in bad faith. Also, it's a false equivocation anyway, because the KKK is an actual organization. Feminism isn't. The same goes for your Republican analogy above. Again, this is all based on the idea that feminists are some evil, man-hating hivemind, whether you realize it or not. Feminism isn't an organization with a manifesto/platform that works together to achieve its particular goal(s). Nor is there any organization that can claim to act as such for feminists. It's just an unorganized group of people who agree with the idea of, according to Marriam-Webster, "the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes." Anything beyond that comes down to the individual. Hence why my comparison to a religion (Islam) and political ideology (Communism) is more accurate--because both of those types of things can be described in roughly the same terms (in fact, feminism literally is a political ideology). Fuck, even Anonymous would've been a more accurate comparison than the fucking Klan.
by Asherahan » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:59 am
by Proctopeo » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:03 am
Asherahan wrote:So does the Left lean towards the Sith or Jedi?
by Salus Maior » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:10 am
by Cekoviu » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:21 am
Salus Maior wrote:Proctopeo wrote:A case could easily be made for either.
Personally I'd say the left, taken as a whole, leans more Sith, what with the glorification of wanton violence and support for giving the state more authority.
The Sith are more like Anarchists or Fascists. Will to power and extreme individualism.
by Hanafuridake » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:23 am
Salus Maior wrote:Proctopeo wrote:A case could easily be made for either.
Personally I'd say the left, taken as a whole, leans more Sith, what with the glorification of wanton violence and support for giving the state more authority.
The Sith are more like Anarchists or Fascists. Will to power and extreme individualism.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by The Black Forrest » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:27 am
Byzconia wrote:
Except this argument is bullshit, because it puts the onus on completely innocent people to take responsibility for nutters. Sorry, but I believe in individualism, not guilt by association. By this logic, every single white male should apologize whenever one of our own commits rape. If a feminist suggested that to you, you'd be floored, wouldn't you? So why is this any different?
It's like when any Islamophobe gets on their soapbox and goes, "Well, why don't any of the so-called 'moderate Muslims' denounce the terrorists?!?!?!?!?!" Because it's not their fucking responsibility, that's why.
by Hanafuridake » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:27 am
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Byzconia » Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:45 pm
Galloism wrote:The klan is a fun comparison for another reason - it’s a political ideology not a group or organization (in fact, there are dozens of groups that make up the “klan”, and anyone can claim to be a member, and groups often form and split spontaneously), and, more importantly, there’s some strange parts.
Like how the Imperial Wizard of the Traditionalist American Knights of the KKK condemned the racist shooting in South Carolina:After the South Carolina carnage, Ancona wrote me that “My thoughts and prayers are with those whose lives were tragically taken by this lunatic and I pray that God will bring peace to those families, the community, and our Nation,” said the Imperial Wizard of the KKK of the families of the murdered black congregants. “It literally made me sick to my stomach. Those poor families….”
“Our country is in bad shape and we need to pull together. The best way for our enemies to defeat us, is to divide and conquer. Why are we making their job easier by us destroying one another?” asked Daryl Davis.
“What this sick individual did was a heinous act that did nothing to promote any viewpoint that he was trying to advance. If he thought he was promoting or advancing any cause for white people he was sadly mistaken,” said the Imperial Wizard. “What he did guarantee is that his extremist ideas will be pushed even further to the fringe and will guarantee that those with his kind of ideals and agenda will not get their radical views heard nor espoused by anyone.”
https://www.nate-thayer.com/kkk-black-m ... -massacre/
See, you didn’t know there were Klan organizations that condemned the violence and sympathized with the black families killed. Something you had no awareness of. That doesn’t change the hate in the overall ideology however.
You’re wrong about me, btw.
I’m a former feminist
I'm looking at what feminism has done as a movement, not what one loudmouth does.
I know there’s good feminists out there.
But given the evidence, people could be excused for thinking otherwise.
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