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Under which leaders (if any) was the Soviet Union socialist?

Lenin (1918-1924)
411
34%
Stalin (1924-1953)
223
19%
Khrushchev (1953-1964)
149
12%
Brezhnev (1964-1982)
125
10%
Gorbachev (1985-1991)
126
10%
Never
167
14%
 
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Postby Communal concils » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:12 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:And that's exactly my point. One would expect him to agree with the broad strokes of Nietzsche's thought in order to be justified in calling himself Nietzschean; but thus far his ideas etc indicate the opposite.


Yeah it is rather odd. Because he seems a fairly standard Marxist-Leninist. Their thought isn't very compatible with Nietzschean elements. I'm pretty sure they denounced Nietzsche because of that.



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I simply identify as a Neo-Marxist.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:13 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Everything except Buddhahood is a spook.

Nagarjuna > Stirner

Smh, y'all still haven't figured out that Buddha was just the star of Crazy Mindful Asians, a prequel to Crazy Rich Asians. It was a box office flop, as one might expect for a movie released prior to theatres.


I loved that movie. My favorite scene was where Laozi ate the dumplings Confucius cooked for his mother, causing a riff between them which was only mended by Buddha during the climax of the film.
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Postby Rostavykhan » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:18 pm

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Kowani wrote:It is P2W…


^this


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Shit'll be cash money.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:18 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
^this


I'm gonna glitch into the Dev Room and steal the cancer cure that the government is hiding.

Shit'll be cash money.


It just works.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:19 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Smh, y'all still haven't figured out that Buddha was just the star of Crazy Mindful Asians, a prequel to Crazy Rich Asians. It was a box office flop, as one might expect for a movie released prior to theatres.


I loved that movie. My favorite scene was where Laozi ate the dumplings Confucius cooked for his mother, causing a riff between them which was only mended by Buddha during the climax of the film.

I'd watch the hell out of the fake movie we just made up.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:25 pm

Genivaria wrote:Tsar Nicholas II needed to go, whether that was through abdication or execution Nicholas II needed to be removed as head of state.
The mass murder of the imperial family was a brutal and unnecessary crime that stained the revolution.

He had already abdicated before his execution, and even wrote a letter from captivity telling the White Army to lay down their arms.
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:25 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

1. Yes , I don't believe that it's real. However, I believe that morality is inescapable. Realizing morality as a construct is what gives us freedom. Amoralism would be a better term to describe Nietzsche's ethical system.

2. I don't hate religion. I am a Theist, so I have no fedora to tip. I embrace anti-clericalism .


3. It's not a contradiction, because I'm a existentialist. Nihilism gives us the autonomy to construct new values. When we realize that life has no meaning, then we just make up our own. I said that the masses can't deal with the obliteration of all constructs, I didn't promote Nihilism. Defeatism can't coexist with the will to power.

Seriously just stop trying to say you are Nietzschean. Everyone can see you are clearly not.


Would you say Mr/Ms Nakena fits that?

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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:31 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Tsar Nicholas II needed to go, whether that was through abdication or execution Nicholas II needed to be removed as head of state.
The mass murder of the imperial family was a brutal and unnecessary crime that stained the revolution.

He had already abdicated before his execution, and even wrote a letter from captivity telling the White Army to lay down their arms.


None of the Whites even supported him did they?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:48 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:He had already abdicated before his execution, and even wrote a letter from captivity telling the White Army to lay down their arms.


None of the Whites even supported him did they?

A small handful did, but the Whites weren't a unified movement and the main white army under Kolchack was explicitly republican, and the second largest under Denikin was big-tent.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:56 pm

Genivaria wrote:Tsar Nicholas II needed to go, whether that was through abdication or execution Nicholas II needed to be removed as head of state.
The mass murder of the imperial family was a brutal and unnecessary crime that stained the revolution.


There's other unnecessary crime that stained the ''revolution'' lmao.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:20 am

The East Marches II wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Seriously just stop trying to say you are Nietzschean. Everyone can see you are clearly not.


Would you say Mr/Ms Nakena fits that?

To my knowledge they have never claimed that they are, but from the little I have seen I'd say they are closer to it than CC is, but that's not really saying much.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:05 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Would you say Mr/Ms Nakena fits that?

To m knowledge they have never claimed that they are, but from the little I have seen I'd say they are closer to it than CC is, but that's not really saying much.


This brings me on a idea: Maybe we should make a Nietzsche test. Like one of those multible choice questionaires or self-test. Those are immensely popular. How Nietzschean are you?
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:17 am

Nakena wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:To m knowledge they have never claimed that they are, but from the little I have seen I'd say they are closer to it than CC is, but that's not really saying much.


This brings me on a idea: Maybe we should make a Nietzsche test. Like one of those multible choice questionaires or self-test. Those are immensely popular. How Nietzschean are you?

I know it's not exactly what you are looking for, but there is a quiz here: http://playdoozy.com/friedrich-nietzsche-quiz/

The "correct" answer to question 4 is dubious though.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:01 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Nakena wrote:
This brings me on a idea: Maybe we should make a Nietzsche test. Like one of those multible choice questionaires or self-test. Those are immensely popular. How Nietzschean are you?

I know it's not exactly what you are looking for, but there is a quiz here: http://playdoozy.com/friedrich-nietzsche-quiz/

The "correct" answer to question 4 is dubious though.


This is a man who said the worst day of his life was when he heard that the Louvre had been burnt down by the Communards (fortunately the newspaper which reported that was wrong).

9/10 the opium question got me.
Nakena wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:To m knowledge they have never claimed that they are, but from the little I have seen I'd say they are closer to it than CC is, but that's not really saying much.


This brings me on a idea: Maybe we should make a Nietzsche test. Like one of those multible choice questionaires or self-test. Those are immensely popular. How Nietzschean are you?


I'm sort of Nietzschean, in that Nietzsche influenced me a lot a few years ago and there are still traces of his writing in my thinking. But I decided that most of what was valuable in Nietzsche I could find elsewhere in religion.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:15 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Tsar Nicholas II needed to go, whether that was through abdication or execution Nicholas II needed to be removed as head of state.
The mass murder of the imperial family was a brutal and unnecessary crime that stained the revolution.

He had already abdicated before his execution, and even wrote a letter from captivity telling the White Army to lay down their arms.

Sounds like the execution was just pointless then.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:15 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Tsar Nicholas II needed to go, whether that was through abdication or execution Nicholas II needed to be removed as head of state.
The mass murder of the imperial family was a brutal and unnecessary crime that stained the revolution.


There's other unnecessary crime that stained the ''revolution'' lmao.

...okay?

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Postby Reatra » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:29 pm

Genivaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:He had already abdicated before his execution, and even wrote a letter from captivity telling the White Army to lay down their arms.

Sounds like the execution was just pointless then.


The Whites were advancing on the town he had been put under house arrest in, and it was obvious that the Whites, many of who were pro-monarchy nobles and upper class folks, could not be allowed to have that figurehead. The Reds executed the Tsar and when Lenin heard about it he said "fuck uh.... no... uh.... that was planned..."


Honestly I think it could have been cool, if the Whites had not gotten near the town, maybe later on the Tsar could be similar to Puyi and end up being a decent communist.
yee haw it's time for mass line

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Do the left-wingers of NS believe that Epstein killed himself?
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:32 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Do the left-wingers of NS believe that Epstein killed himself?

No one besides centrists believe Epstein killed himself

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:33 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Do the left-wingers of NS believe that Epstein killed himself?

No one besides centrists believe Epstein killed himself

Not even centrists do.
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Tekeristan wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Do the left-wingers of NS believe that Epstein killed himself?

No one besides centrists believe Epstein killed himself


They're not centrists (i.e. they're not in the center of two extreme ideologies). They are died-in-wool neoliberals.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:36 pm

Reatra wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Sounds like the execution was just pointless then.


The Whites were advancing on the town he had been put under house arrest in, and it was obvious that the Whites, many of who were pro-monarchy nobles and upper class folks, could not be allowed to have that figurehead. The Reds executed the Tsar and when Lenin heard about it he said "fuck uh.... no... uh.... that was planned..."


Honestly I think it could have been cool, if the Whites had not gotten near the town, maybe later on the Tsar could be similar to Puyi and end up being a decent communist.

He could've gone into exile in, say, Finland or Sweden.
Wilhelm II caused no real problems for Germany in the neighboring Netherlands, after all.
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:37 pm

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Tekeristan wrote:No one besides centrists believe Epstein killed himself


They're not centrists (i.e. they're not in the center of two extreme ideologies). They are died-in-wool neoliberals.

I know :^)

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Postby Reatra » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:38 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Reatra wrote:
The Whites were advancing on the town he had been put under house arrest in, and it was obvious that the Whites, many of who were pro-monarchy nobles and upper class folks, could not be allowed to have that figurehead. The Reds executed the Tsar and when Lenin heard about it he said "fuck uh.... no... uh.... that was planned..."


Honestly I think it could have been cool, if the Whites had not gotten near the town, maybe later on the Tsar could be similar to Puyi and end up being a decent communist.

He could've gone into exile in, say, Finland or Sweden.
Wilhelm II caused no real problems for Germany in the neighboring Netherlands, after all.


Tell that to the liberal February Revolution, not the October one lol
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:39 pm

Reatra wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:He could've gone into exile in, say, Finland or Sweden.
Wilhelm II caused no real problems for Germany in the neighboring Netherlands, after all.


Tell that to the liberal February Revolution, not the October one lol

They made many mistakes; not exiling the Tsar just in case was one of their lesser ones.
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