LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Kowani]

Is Kowani ICly Communist?

What?

[The New California Republic]

Nietzsche loathed leftist thinking generally, and leftist adherents. That would include you.

I don't think "Nietzschean" is a dogma which one has to agree with in order to be one. It's perfectly possible to follow aspects of Nietzsche's philosophy and not agree with him on 100% everything. [...] The problem is that CC has not showed at all how Nietzsche has impacted him in any way. The only thing I can think of is that he's heard some bad secondhand quotes and thinks the tyranny he wants to impose is something akin to the ubermensch.

And that's exactly my point. One would expect him to agree with the broad strokes of Nietzsche's thought in order to be justified in calling himself Nietzschean; but thus far his ideas etc indicate the opposite.

[Kowani]

What?

Just what are you in RP form as a country?

Very centralized, PMT Socialism. As the State still exists (and I disagree with the idea that it will ever cease to) I cannot call it communist.

[Hanafuridake]

I don't think "Nietzschean" is a dogma which one has to agree with in order to be one. It's perfectly possible to follow aspects of Nietzsche's philosophy and not agree with him on 100% everything.

Excellent argument in favor of the proliferation of Stirnerism, thanks Hana.

This post is a spook.

[Kowani]

Very centralized, PMT Socialism. As the State still exists (and I disagree with the idea that it will ever cease to) I cannot call it communist.

No MT?

Too limiting, but FT allows me access to handwavium, so that’s out.

[Cekoviu]

Excellent argument in favor of the proliferation of Stirnerism, thanks Hana.

This post is a spook.

Monarchy is unironically a spook.

[Hanafuridake]

I don't think "Nietzschean" is a dogma which one has to agree with in order to be one. It's perfectly possible to follow aspects of Nietzsche's philosophy and not agree with him on 100% everything. [...] The problem is that CC has not showed at all how Nietzsche has impacted him in any way. The only thing I can think of is that he's heard some bad secondhand quotes and thinks the tyranny he wants to impose is something akin to the ubermensch.

And that's exactly my point. One would expect him to agree with the broad strokes of Nietzsche's thought in order to be justified in calling himself Nietzschean; but thus far his ideas etc indicate the opposite.

Yeah it is rather odd. Because he seems a fairly standard Marxist-Leninist. Their thought isn't very compatible with Nietzschean elements. I'm pretty sure they denounced Nietzsche because of that.

[The New California Republic]

1. I give you a list of people their influenced by him,and all of these people are Leftist. Yet, you ignore it.

I ignored it because it was irrelevant. Influenced =/= "Nietzschean". And as a start, Foucault was deeply disillusioned with communism, so calling him a leftist is a stretch.

I agree with him . A Majority of socialist in the west are childish and idealistic. They have this dream of secularize Christianity. The result is a weak and sterilize ideology. The Worst socialist is a Champagne socialist , they obsess over people that they will never interact with. when they are done with activism, they will continue to live in La La Land. Their are leftist that are opportunist and pragmatist. They realize that hierarchy, state, class, culture, race, society and every other structure of existence won't wither away. They are more scientific and Materialistic than any Larper that calls themselves "Leftist". I side with such groups

I'm sorry but your grasp of N's thought is just appallingly bad. You make some of the right noises, but the actual understanding just isn't there.

[Hanafuridake]

This post is a spook.

Monarchy is unironically a spook.

Everything except Buddhahood is a spook.

Nagarjuna > Stirner

[Communal concils]

Nietzsche loathed leftist thinking generally, and leftist adherents. That would include you.

I don't think "Nietzschean" is a dogma which one has to agree with in order to be one. It's perfectly possible to follow aspects of Nietzsche's philosophy and not agree with him on 100% everything. Emma Goldman and other anarchists (including a young Benito Mussolini ironically enough) were heavily invested in Nietzsche's philosophy. The problem is that CC has not showed at all how Nietzsche has impacted him in any way. The only thing I can think of is that he's heard some bad secondhand quotes and thinks the tyranny he wants to impose is something akin to the ubermensch.

1. I don't believe in Morality. I think their are elites that want to prevent hard working individuals from reaching to the top. they twist it to suit their narrative.

2. The same applies to religion. However, religion is a contemporary institution that is declining in power. In the west, it seem like Many Christians are unconscious of Jesus Christ. Religion is base on a framework of doctrine, and the doctrine is base on morality. once again, Morality can be twisted.

3. There is no meaning in life. Instead, we must make now values or virtues. We should feel triumphant and ambitious. We shouldn't accept Nihilism, our society is not ready for it. The masses can't deal with obliteration of all constructs of the minds.

4. Humanism is secularized Christianity. It has been dominated by Atheist that are desperate in finding a replacement for God. They will talk about vague ideals of "Democracy, Freedom, Peace, and Equality". when they talk about it, they present it in such a childlike way. Humanist have this faith in humanity, as if it has supra natural abilities. scientism is also a aspect of it . People simply fetishize science in such a dogmatic form.

5. anti-semitism , Nationalism and various other values can serve as enslavement.

6. Hedonism is pleasure for the sake of pleasure. Doing something for the sake of it is a poor justification for rejecting negative aspects of the world. which is why Altruism is extremely flawed.

7. I don't believe in traditional Marxism, so the last stage of Communism is a fantasy. Determinism is also a lie, it negates important aspects of life. Also, many socialist are lazy and utopian.

[The New California Republic]

I don't think "Nietzschean" is a dogma which one has to agree with in order to be one. It's perfectly possible to follow aspects of Nietzsche's philosophy and not agree with him on 100% everything. Emma Goldman and other anarchists (including a young Benito Mussolini ironically enough) were heavily invested in Nietzsche's philosophy. The problem is that CC has not showed at all how Nietzsche has impacted him in any way. The only thing I can think of is that he's heard some bad secondhand quotes and thinks the tyranny he wants to impose is something akin to the ubermensch.

1. I don't believe in Morality. I think their are elites that want to prevent hard working individuals from reaching to the top. they twist it to suit their narrative.

2. The same applies to religion. However, religion is a contemporary institution that is declining in power. In the west, it seem like Many Christians are unconscious of Jesus Christ. Religion is base on a framework of doctrine, and the doctrine is base on morality. once again, Morality can be twisted.

3. There is no meaning in life. Instead, we must make now values or virtues. We should feel triumphant and ambitious. We shouldn't accept Nihilism, our society is not ready for it. The masses can't deal with obliteration of all constructs of the minds.

4. Humanism is secularized Christianity. It has been dominated by Atheist that are desperate in finding a replacement for God. They will talk about vague ideals of "Democracy, Freedom, Peace, and Equality". when they talk about it, they present it in such a childlike way. Humanist have this faith in humanity, as if it has supra natural abilities. scientism is also a aspect of it . People simply fetishize science in such a dogmatic form.

5. anti-semitism , Nationalism and various other values can serve as enslavement.

6. Hedonism is pleasure of the sake of pleasure. I Doing something for the sake of it is a poor justification for rejection negative aspects of the world. which is why Altruism is extremely flawed.

7. I don't believe also, in traditional Marxism, so the last stage of Communism is a fantasy. Determinism is also a lie, it negates important aspects of life. Also, many socialist are lazy and utopian.

Saves me having to write the same thing again:

I'm sorry but your grasp of N's thought is just appallingly bad. You make some of the right noises, but the actual understanding just isn't there.

[The East Marches II]

I do of course, are you clever enough to sort the meme from the man though :^)

Follow-up question: are you a time-travelling game show host?

If only, I'm an unemployed one unfortunately.

[The New California Republic]

Follow-up question: are you a time-travelling game show host?

If only, I'm an unemployed one unfortunately.

What game show? I'm guessing you'd be a...Wheel of Fortune host. I dunno why, just a stab in the dark.

[Kowani]

In the west, it seem like Many Christians are unconscious of Jesus Christ.

You should be a street-side preacher

[Communal concils]

1. I give you a list of people their influenced by him,and all of these people are Leftist. Yet, you ignore it.

I ignored it because it was irrelevant. Influenced =/= "Nietzschean". And as a start, Foucault was deeply disillusioned with communism, so calling him a leftist is a stretch.

I agree with him . A Majority of socialist in the west are childish and idealistic. They have this dream of secularize Christianity. The result is a weak and sterilize ideology. The Worst socialist is a Champagne socialist , they obsess over people that they will never interact with. when they are done with activism, they will continue to live in La La Land. Their are leftist that are opportunist and pragmatist. They realize that hierarchy, state, class, culture, race, society and every other structure of existence won't wither away. They are more scientific and Materialistic than any Larper that calls themselves "Leftist". I side with such groups

I'm sorry but your grasp of N's thought is just appallingly bad. You make some of the right noises, but the actual understanding just isn't there.

1. If we mindlessly followed everything Nietzsche said, then we are no different than the People he calls " feminine " . also, I swear Leftism includes more than just Communism. Foucult was a rapid anti-communist, but He still interacted with leftist and he is embraced by leftist. I don't think we should gate keep people on what is or isn't Leftism.


2. what am I missing ?

[Hanafuridake]

1. I don't believe in Morality. I think their are elites that want to prevent hard working individuals from reaching to the top. they twist it to suit their narrative.

That's not a Nietzschean position. Nietzsche did not reject morality and he would see your anti-elitism as detestable.

2. The same applies to religion. However, religion is a contemporary institution that is declining in power. In the west, it seem like Many Christians are unconscious of Jesus Christ. Religion is base on a framework of doctrine, and the doctrine is base on morality. once again, Morality can be twisted.

Again that's not akin to Nietzsche's thought. Nietzsche never rejected religion. He himself was not religious, but he examined different religions and judged them according to how he read their tenets rather than antitheism.

3. 1. There is no meaning in life. 2. Instead, we must make now values or virtues. We should feel triumphant and ambitious. We shouldn't accept Nihilism, our society is not ready for it. The masses can't deal with obliteration of all constructs of the minds.

1 & 2 are actively contradictory to each other. The eventual "obliteration of all constructs" was not something Nietzsche ever desired.

-snip-.

Going through all of these would be exhaustive. Some things are similar to Nietzsche, others are not. In any case, nothing indicates you're actually a "Nietzschean."

[The East Marches II]

If only, I'm an unemployed one unfortunately.

What game show? I'm guessing you'd be a...Wheel of Fortune host. I dunno why, just a stab in the dark.

A very good guess. I used to host the Yugoslav Edition of Wheel of Fortune. My audience was very captive. Unfortunately that timeline didn't work out, it glitched and now I'm trapped in this one.

[Kowani]

A very good guess. I used to host the Yugoslav Edition of Wheel of Fortune. My audience was very captive. Unfortunately that timeline didn't work out, it glitched and now I'm trapped in this one.

...Is reality run by Bethesda?

It is P2W…

[The East Marches II]

...Is reality run by Bethesda?

It is P2W…

^this

[The New California Republic]

I'm sorry but your grasp of N's thought is just appallingly bad. You make some of the right noises, but the actual understanding just isn't there.

If we mindlessly followed everything Nietzsche said, then we are no different than the People he calls " feminine " .

There is a difference between that, and not understanding it and even displaying opinions to the contrary yet calling one's-self "Nietzschean". You fall very much into the latter.

what am I missing ?

A hell of a lot actually, which compounds your error of interpretation regarding what you have mentioned. As I said: the right noises but the understanding isn't there.

[Communal concils]

1. I don't believe in Morality. I think their are elites that want to prevent hard working individuals from reaching to the top. they twist it to suit their narrative.

That's not a Nietzschean position. Nietzsche did not reject morality and he would see your anti-elitism as detestable.

2. The same applies to religion. However, religion is a contemporary institution that is declining in power. In the west, it seem like Many Christians are unconscious of Jesus Christ. Religion is base on a framework of doctrine, and the doctrine is base on morality. once again, Morality can be twisted.

Again that's not akin to Nietzsche's thought. Nietzsche never rejected religion. He himself was not religious, but he examined different religions and judged them according to how he read their tenets rather than antitheism.

3. 1. There is no meaning in life. 2. Instead, we must make now values or virtues. We should feel triumphant and ambitious. We shouldn't accept Nihilism, our society is not ready for it. The masses can't deal with obliteration of all constructs of the minds.

1 & 2 are actively contradictory to each other. The eventual "obliteration of all constructs" was not something Nietzsche ever desired.

-snip-.

Going through all of these would be exhaustive. Some things are similar to Nietzsche, others are not. In any case, nothing indicates you're actually a "Nietzschean."

1. Yes , I don't believe that it's real. However, I believe that morality is inescapable. Realizing morality as a construct is what gives us freedom. Amoralism would be a better term to describe Nietzsche's ethical system.

2. I don't hate religion. I am a Theist, so I have no fedora to tip. I embrace anti-clericalism .


3. It's not a contradiction, because I'm a existentialist. Nihilism gives us the autonomy to construct new values. When we realize that life has no meaning, then we just make up our own. I said that the masses can't deal with the obliteration of all constructs, I didn't promote Nihilism. Defeatism can't coexist with the will to power.

[Cekoviu]

Monarchy is unironically a spook.

Everything except Buddhahood is a spook.

Nagarjuna > Stirner

Smh, y'all still haven't figured out that Buddha was just the star of Crazy Mindful Asians, a prequel to Crazy Rich Asians. It was a box office flop, as one might expect for a movie released prior to theatres.

[Communal concils]

If we mindlessly followed everything Nietzsche said, then we are no different than the People he calls " feminine " .

There is a difference between that, and not understanding it and even displaying opinions to the contrary yet calling one's-self "Nietzschean". You fall very much into the latter.

what am I missing ?

A hell of a lot actually, which compounds your error of interpretation regarding what you have mentioned. As I said: the right noises but the understanding isn't there.

It's always helpful to go into detail. what tenets of the philosophy are missing?

[The New California Republic]

That's not a Nietzschean position. Nietzsche did not reject morality and he would see your anti-elitism as detestable.


Again that's not akin to Nietzsche's thought. Nietzsche never rejected religion. He himself was not religious, but he examined different religions and judged them according to how he read their tenets rather than antitheism.


1 & 2 are actively contradictory to each other. The eventual "obliteration of all constructs" was not something Nietzsche ever desired.


Going through all of these would be exhaustive. Some things are similar to Nietzsche, others are not. In any case, nothing indicates you're actually a "Nietzschean."

1. Yes , I don't believe that it's real. However, I believe that morality is inescapable. Realizing morality as a construct is what gives us freedom. Amoralism would be a better term to describe Nietzsche's ethical system.

2. I don't hate religion. I am a Theist, so I have no fedora to tip. I embrace anti-clericalism .


3. It's not a contradiction, because I'm a existentialist. Nihilism gives us the autonomy to construct new values. When we realize that life has no meaning, then we just make up our own. I said that the masses can't deal with the obliteration of all constructs, I didn't promote Nihilism. Defeatism can't coexist with the will to power.

Seriously just stop trying to say you are Nietzschean. Everyone can see you are clearly not.

[The New California Republic]

There is a difference between that, and not understanding it and even displaying opinions to the contrary yet calling one's-self "Nietzschean". You fall very much into the latter.


A hell of a lot actually, which compounds your error of interpretation regarding what you have mentioned. As I said: the right noises but the understanding isn't there.

It's always helpful to go into detail. what tenets of the philosophy are missing?

Oh let me count the ways...

Time for me to count sheep however.