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Under which leaders (if any) was the Soviet Union socialist?

Lenin (1918-1924)
411
34%
Stalin (1924-1953)
223
19%
Khrushchev (1953-1964)
149
12%
Brezhnev (1964-1982)
125
10%
Gorbachev (1985-1991)
126
10%
Never
167
14%
 
Total votes : 1201

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:59 pm

Liriena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Of fucking course the CIA got the Bolivian military to stage a coup against a democratically-elected government. This shit is fucking disgusting.

Evo Morales did nothing wrong other than resigning. He even called for another election, but of course the South American right-wing, as usual, doesn't really care about democracy.

And in light of the fact that it was the police who led this coup, I guess when can add this to the pile of reasons why the police, as an institution, is bad.


They made it obvious they didn't care about the democratic process the moment they started screaming about election fraud and then destroyed tons of ballots to prevent any investigation into their claims.

Either way, this is a fucking travesty.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:00 pm

Nakena wrote:At this rate we need unironically a south american thread.

I dig the idea, tbh. I want to scream at South American liberals for a few hours guilt-free :P
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:01 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Honestly I think that American leftists should abandon the faces of Marx and Lenin and instead hold up people who are closer to home like Rosa Parks and John Brown.

Figures who didn't lead millions of people to their deaths, for sure.

Marx

Figures who didn't lead millions of people to their deaths, for sure.


The history understander has logged on :P
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:01 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Honestly I think that American leftists should abandon the faces of Marx and Lenin and instead hold up people who are closer to home like Rosa Parks and John Brown.

Figures who didn't lead millions of people to their deaths, for sure.

I was gonna say people who weren't foreign but yeah I'll also take that. :D
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:01 pm

Liriena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Of fucking course the CIA got the Bolivian military to stage a coup against a democratically-elected government. This shit is fucking disgusting.

Evo Morales did nothing wrong other than resigning. He even called for another election, but of course the South American right-wing, as usual, doesn't really care about democracy.

And in light of the fact that it was the police who led this coup, I guess when can add this to the pile of reasons why the police, as an institution, is bad.


There has been no coverage of this during the Trump Reality TV show. Tell us what is going on.

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Postby Rostavykhan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:02 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Honestly I think that American leftists should abandon the faces of Marx and Lenin and instead hold up people who are closer to home like Rosa Parks and John Brown.

Figures who didn't lead millions of people to their deaths, for sure.


Lenin Did Nothing Wrong.
 

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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:05 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Liriena wrote:Evo Morales did nothing wrong other than resigning. He even called for another election, but of course the South American right-wing, as usual, doesn't really care about democracy.

And in light of the fact that it was the police who led this coup, I guess when can add this to the pile of reasons why the police, as an institution, is bad.


They made it obvious they didn't care about the democratic process the moment they started screaming about election fraud and then destroyed tons of ballots to prevent any investigation into their claims.

You also gotta give a shout out for the civility fetishists of the South American right who said absolutely nothing while their Bolivian buddies kidnapped and tortured the mayor of Vinto and set public buildings on fire.
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I am:
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Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:06 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Liriena wrote:Evo Morales did nothing wrong other than resigning. He even called for another election, but of course the South American right-wing, as usual, doesn't really care about democracy.

And in light of the fact that it was the police who led this coup, I guess when can add this to the pile of reasons why the police, as an institution, is bad.


There has been no coverage of this during the Trump Reality TV show. Tell us what is going on.


Long story short, the opposition parties used a false narrative of election fraud to stage a military coup (with CIA backing, more than likely) against a democratically-elected Socialist who's been president for the past 14 years in Bolivia and who, among other things, has halved poverty across the country.
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Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
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Postby Puczovska » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:06 pm

I am not sure how to answer the question on what eras of the USSR were Socialist because it depends what you define Socialism as and whether you consider the undermining of Socialist values in the USSR as being important to whether it was Socialism or not.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:08 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Liriena wrote:Evo Morales did nothing wrong other than resigning. He even called for another election, but of course the South American right-wing, as usual, doesn't really care about democracy.

And in light of the fact that it was the police who led this coup, I guess when can add this to the pile of reasons why the police, as an institution, is bad.


There has been no coverage of this during the Trump Reality TV show. Tell us what is going on.

Bolivia had a presidential election. The socialist Evo Morales, who's been in power for well over a decade, won in the first round by a very narrow margin. Cue claims of fraud from the opposition, followed by protests, followed by riots, followed by a police mutiny, followed by Morales calling for another election, followed by the military "encouraging" forcing Morales to resign.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:08 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Figures who didn't lead millions of people to their deaths, for sure.

I was gonna say people who weren't foreign but yeah I'll also take that. :D

Eugene Debs is a rad dude

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:08 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Figures who didn't lead millions of people to their deaths, for sure.


Lenin Did Nothing Wrong.

He indeed played his part as puppet of the Kaiser well. :D
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Postby Nakena » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:10 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nakena wrote:At this rate we need unironically a south american thread.

I dig the idea, tbh. I want to scream at South American liberals for a few hours guilt-free :P


Enjoy the South America General (SAG) Thread then
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Postby Rostavykhan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:18 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:
Lenin Did Nothing Wrong.

He indeed played his part as puppet of the Kaiser well. :D


And set the stage for The USSR to crush the vile G*rman state two decades later.

I see it as an absolute win.
 

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:21 pm

Liriena wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
There has been no coverage of this during the Trump Reality TV show. Tell us what is going on.

Bolivia had a presidential election. The socialist Evo Morales, who's been in power for well over a decade, won in the first round by a very narrow margin. Cue claims of fraud from the opposition, followed by protests, followed by riots, followed by a police mutiny, followed by Morales calling for another election, followed by the military "encouraging" forcing Morales to resign.

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:25 pm

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She/they every day.
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Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:26 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:He indeed played his part as puppet of the Kaiser well. :D


And set the stage for The USSR to crush the vile G*rman state two decades later.

I see it as an absolute win.

You support the reactionary Soviet state? Boooo!
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:26 pm

Liriena wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
There has been no coverage of this during the Trump Reality TV show. Tell us what is going on.

Bolivia had a presidential election. The socialist Evo Morales, who's been in power for well over a decade, won in the first round by a very narrow margin. Cue claims of fraud from the opposition, followed by protests, followed by riots, followed by a police mutiny, followed by Morales calling for another election, followed by the military "encouraging" forcing Morales to resign.

That is really spicy. I'm shocked the Bolivian military had anything to say even. I wasn't aware they really had a military.

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:32 pm

Fun fact, the lovely American classic 'This Land is Your Land' was written by Woody Guthrie a leftist and socialist who was blacklisted by the HUAC.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:35 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:
And set the stage for The USSR to crush the vile G*rman state two decades later.

I see it as an absolute win.

You support the reactionary Soviet state? Boooo!


Come with me Genosse, we need to have talk :^)

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:37 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You support the reactionary Soviet state? Boooo!


Come with me Genosse, we need to have talk :^)

Get this sick shit outta my face.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:40 pm

Genivaria wrote:

Get this sick shit outta my face.


P-pls, they'll shoot me too if you don't come with. TAKE ME WITH YOU TO THE WEST

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Postby Luminesa » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:41 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:It's hard finding a fellow pro-life left winger to date to be honest.

I'm sure there's someone. Not a whole lot of left-wing pro-lifers though, unfortunately.
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Postby Luminesa » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:42 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Get this sick shit outta my face.


P-pls, they'll shoot me too if you don't come with. TAKE ME WITH YOU TO THE WEST

Just climb the wall, Marches.
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faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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Postby Luminesa » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:44 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I'm sure there's someone. Not a whole lot of left-wing pro-lifers though, unfortunately.

Geh it feels awkward and frustrating with someone's view on abortion being a dealbreaker on dating them.

Well...hmmm...I dunno if Christian Mingle would be any help...but where have you been searching?
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"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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King Alfred's Prayer
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
Be safe, wear your mask outside the home, pray for peace, mercy, and justice to reign in our world. God bless you!

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