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Under which leaders (if any) was the Soviet Union socialist?

Lenin (1918-1924)
411
34%
Stalin (1924-1953)
223
19%
Khrushchev (1953-1964)
149
12%
Brezhnev (1964-1982)
125
10%
Gorbachev (1985-1991)
126
10%
Never
167
14%
 
Total votes : 1201

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:07 pm

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Huh. I guess that makes sense. Internally at least. Having had no religious experiences or calling to religion it of course sounds like utter bobbins to me. I've experimented with trying to force myself into belief but I just feel faintly ridiculous and like I'm making shit up.

But as I've said before given the long-lasting popularity of these things it's quite possible it's all true and I've been given a spiritual smoothbrain that can't see because I'm unworthy in some way.

I was Anglican, but clearly I didn't run into the aforementioned suicidal impulses without it or else I obviously wouldn't be here. I still read the Bible, but doing so doesn't hold any special significance except academic curiosity, similar to when I read other books like the Koran and Book of Mormon etc.

The two most important stories to the Bible to me are the raising of Lazarus and the raising of Jairus' daughter. However, I would recommend one read Dostoevsky as well, as many of his characters' speeches about Christianity are quite beautiful and express what I think is the most beautiful part of Christianity. That is, that all will be forgiven.

And He will judge and will forgive all, the good and the evil, the wise and the meek.... And when He has done with all of them, then He will summon us. ‘You too come forth,’ He will say, ‘Come forth ye drunkards, come forth, ye weak ones, come forth, ye children of shame!’ And we shall all come forth, without shame and shall stand before him. And He will say unto us, ‘Ye are swine, made in the Image of the Beast and with his mark; but come ye also!’ And the wise ones and those of understanding will say, ‘Oh Lord, why dost Thou receive these men?’ And He will say, ‘This is why I receive them, oh ye wise, this is why I receive them, oh ye of understanding, that not one of them believed himself to be worthy of this.’ And He will hold out His hands to us and we shall fall down before him... and we shall weep... and we shall understand all things! Then we shall understand all!... and all will understand
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Postby Nakena » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:13 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I would say that my worldview is one of Christian existentialism. I believe that everything man has constructed is constructed, and that as such man cannot construct any true meaning in this life. To avoid the problem of suicide, I believe that the only way to have meaning is to embrace the Christian God, for he promises true meaning in this existence, that we exist to be redeemed. Tradition is merely instrumental in all this, but redemption is accomplished and will be accomplished.


I believe in what might be the perhaps absolute opposite. Which might be equal to Satanism from a christian perspective.

Namely, that we're just at the very and humble beginning of exploring and fulfilling our galatic potential. That we're just about to discover and understand things, and yet merely at a surface level. Like I wrote a while ago at another thread here:

Life isn't about happyness or pleasure. Happyness and pleasure is more often than not mere salt in our meal. Or a bonus or dessert to indulge in if you will so. No, its about survival and advancement in the face of brutal and devastating hardships inside an unforgiving and uncaring universe. Only through this undying determination we can survive and march on, and pass the torch to the next generation. Others may find solace in their idea of an different universe (one with a caring god) and hurl themself into it and find happyness within. Let them be so. For us though this is not, for we do not remain there amongst them in their blissfull compliancy, for we strive forward regardless of all the odds, towards to new horizons and the stars. This is our curse, our potential, our destiny, our way.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:15 pm

Nakena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I would say that my worldview is one of Christian existentialism. I believe that everything man has constructed is constructed, and that as such man cannot construct any true meaning in this life. To avoid the problem of suicide, I believe that the only way to have meaning is to embrace the Christian God, for he promises true meaning in this existence, that we exist to be redeemed. Tradition is merely instrumental in all this, but redemption is accomplished and will be accomplished.


I believe in what might be the perhaps absolute opposite. Which might be equal to Satanism from a christian perspective.

Namely, that we're just at the very and humble beginning of exploring and fulfilling our galatic potential. That we're just about to discover and understand things, and yet merely at a surface level. Like I wrote a while ago at another thread here:

Life isn't about happyness or pleasure. Happyness and pleasure is more often than not mere salt in our meal. Or a bonus or dessert to indulge in if you will so. No, its about survival and advancement in the face of brutal and devastating hardships inside an unforgiving and uncaring universe. Only through this undying determination we can survive and march on, and pass the torch to the next generation. Others may find solace in their idea of an different universe (one with a caring god) and hurl themself into it and find happyness within. Let them be so. For is though this is not theway, for we do not remain there amongst them in their blissfull compliancy, for we strive forward regardless of all the odds, towards to new horizons and the stars. This is our curse, our potential, our destiny, our way.

For what purpose?
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Postby Nakena » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:25 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I believe in what might be the perhaps absolute opposite. Which might be equal to Satanism from a christian perspective.

Namely, that we're just at the very and humble beginning of exploring and fulfilling our galatic potential. That we're just about to discover and understand things, and yet merely at a surface level. Like I wrote a while ago at another thread here:

Life isn't about happyness or pleasure. Happyness and pleasure is more often than not mere salt in our meal. Or a bonus or dessert to indulge in if you will so. No, its about survival and advancement in the face of brutal and devastating hardships inside an unforgiving and uncaring universe. Only through this undying determination we can survive and march on, and pass the torch to the next generation. Others may find solace in their idea of an different universe (one with a caring god) and hurl themself into it and find happyness within. Let them be so. For is though this is not theway, for we do not remain there amongst them in their blissfull compliancy, for we strive forward regardless of all the odds, towards to new horizons and the stars. This is our curse, our potential, our destiny, our way.

For what purpose?


Survival, Advancement, Evolution.

Survival is necessary at the very base, advancement is what is on top on that, and evolution is going to the next level and thus ultimatively leads us to higher places yet unknown to us. We might not know or learn within lifetime. But this shall not stop us. We improve and evolve as individuals in our own life, striving to become better, bolder and stronger. We pass knowledge and information to the next generation who is to follow us, who is to grow up more adapted to the conditions of the world as they have changed. And at the very basest level, DNA itself is information too. Codified biological information, forming the source code for us to exist and evolve.

Being becoming aware of this, reveals the purpose of our existence and being.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:34 pm

Nakena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:For what purpose?


Survival, Advancement, Evolution.

Survival is necessary at the very base, advancement is what is on top on that, and evolution is going to the next level and thus ultimatively leads us to higher places yet unknown to us. We might not know or learn within lifetime. But this shall not stop us. We improve and evolve as individuals in our own life, striving to become better, bolder and stronger. We pass knowledge and information to the next generation who is to follow us, who is to grow up more adapted to the conditions of the world as they have changed. And at the very basest level, DNA itself is information too. Codified biological information, forming the source code for us to exist and evolve.

Being becoming aware of this, reveals the purpose of our existence and being.

So our purpose is to do things which will not provide any benefit for anybody. Capital, first rate!
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:37 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Survival, Advancement, Evolution.

Survival is necessary at the very base, advancement is what is on top on that, and evolution is going to the next level and thus ultimatively leads us to higher places yet unknown to us. We might not know or learn within lifetime. But this shall not stop us. We improve and evolve as individuals in our own life, striving to become better, bolder and stronger. We pass knowledge and information to the next generation who is to follow us, who is to grow up more adapted to the conditions of the world as they have changed. And at the very basest level, DNA itself is information too. Codified biological information, forming the source code for us to exist and evolve.

Being becoming aware of this, reveals the purpose of our existence and being.

So our purpose is to do things which will not provide any benefit for anybody. Capital, first rate!


>your definition of benefit
>mattering

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Postby Nakena » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:43 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Survival, Advancement, Evolution.

Survival is necessary at the very base, advancement is what is on top on that, and evolution is going to the next level and thus ultimatively leads us to higher places yet unknown to us. We might not know or learn within lifetime. But this shall not stop us. We improve and evolve as individuals in our own life, striving to become better, bolder and stronger. We pass knowledge and information to the next generation who is to follow us, who is to grow up more adapted to the conditions of the world as they have changed. And at the very basest level, DNA itself is information too. Codified biological information, forming the source code for us to exist and evolve.

Being becoming aware of this, reveals the purpose of our existence and being.

So our purpose is to do things which will not provide any benefit for anybody. Capital, first rate!


Awareness comes at various level. This was existential. Subsequent levels:

Aeonic and Cybernetic. Aeonic awareness is related to our environment, the historical epoch and circumstances surrounding us. Currently the early information age, formerly the late atomic age for the older ones of us. Aeonic awareness means understanding it's innert workings, mechanisms, rules, memes, potentials, limits, spirit and nature. Cybernetic awareness is the awareness of our own function, position and potential within the supraorganism that society (or whatever kind of group we do belong to), does represents. That means being aware of the role we have to fullfill within this context, of our skill, our abilities, talents and, yes, ultimatively optimal place within that cybernetic system.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:06 pm

Nakena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:So our purpose is to do things which will not provide any benefit for anybody. Capital, first rate!


Awareness comes at various level. This was existential. Subsequent levels:

Aeonic and Cybernetic. Aeonic awareness is related to our environment, the historical epoch and circumstances surrounding us. Currently the early information age, formerly the late atomic age for the older ones of us. Aeonic awareness means understanding it's innert workings, mechanisms, rules, memes, potentials, limits, spirit and nature. Cybernetic awareness is the awareness of our own function, position and potential within the supraorganism that society (or whatever kind of group we do belong to), does represents. That means being aware of the role we have to fullfill within this context, of our skill, our abilities, talents and, yes, ultimatively optimal place within that cybernetic system.

It's all meaningless though, there's no reason for it. It's just fancy.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:24 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Awareness comes at various level. This was existential. Subsequent levels:

Aeonic and Cybernetic. Aeonic awareness is related to our environment, the historical epoch and circumstances surrounding us. Currently the early information age, formerly the late atomic age for the older ones of us. Aeonic awareness means understanding it's innert workings, mechanisms, rules, memes, potentials, limits, spirit and nature. Cybernetic awareness is the awareness of our own function, position and potential within the supraorganism that society (or whatever kind of group we do belong to), does represents. That means being aware of the role we have to fullfill within this context, of our skill, our abilities, talents and, yes, ultimatively optimal place within that cybernetic system.

It's all meaningless though, there's no reason for it. It's just fancy.


The reasons have been provided.

As long as we are confined to a single planet we're within a closed system that can be affected by global (Climate change? max extinctions, totalitarian belief systems such as Islam or Communism gaining total control etc.) or outer factors. (Giant Meteor) To guarantee long term survival it is thus necessary to diversify beyond this confinement and ensure that the influence of totalitarian belief systems be limited and contained until this stage has been reached.

But really we should continue that in the other thread now.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:25 pm

Nakena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's all meaningless though, there's no reason for it. It's just fancy.


The reasons have been provided.

As long as we are confined to a single planet we're within a closed system that can be affected by global (Climate change? max extinctions, totalitarian belief systems such as Islam or Communism gaining total control etc.) or outer factors. (Giant Meteor) To guarantee long term survival it is thus necessary to diversify beyond this confinement and ensure that the influence of totalitarian belief systems be limited and contained until this stage has been reached.

But really we should continue that in the other thread now.

Long-term survival for whom?
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Postby Nakena » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:27 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nakena wrote:
The reasons have been provided.

As long as we are confined to a single planet we're within a closed system that can be affected by global (Climate change? max extinctions, totalitarian belief systems such as Islam or Communism gaining total control etc.) or outer factors. (Giant Meteor) To guarantee long term survival it is thus necessary to diversify beyond this confinement and ensure that the influence of totalitarian belief systems be limited and contained until this stage has been reached.

But really we should continue that in the other thread now.

Long-term survival for whom?


Mankind. Our species. And subsequent versions thereof. Right now we're still at a beginning, but more stages will come. New levels. Which will offer new perspectives yet unknown and unfathomable to our causal knowledge and technological means.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:28 pm

Nakena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Long-term survival for whom?


Mankind. Our species. And subsequent versions thereof. Right now we're still at a beginning, but more stages will come. New levels. Which will offer new, potentially galactic perspectives yet unknown and unfathomable to our causal knowledge and technological means.

And why should we care for the long-term survival of our species? Of what benefit is it for any member of our species?
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Torrocca wrote:lmao, audio of Richard Spencer being an absolute manbaby got leaked by some of his fellow jackbooted fuckwits in what's almost definitely some classical fascist in-fighting, and you can literally smell the salt in his tears as he cries about how superior he is to Jews. It's fucking epic.

EDIT: Link for the curious. There's, shockingly, only one slur thrown out in that entire rant, which occurred because he heard that Heather Heyer was killed.

It really puts into context his livestream where he cried on camera that AntiFA was (and still is) winning.

I can't decide whether that's pathetic, disturbing, or infuriating. Maybe all three.
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United Muscovite Nations wrote:And why should we care for the long-term survival of our species? Of what benefit is it for any member of our species?

It makes me feel good inside uwu
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United Muscovite Nations wrote:And why should we care for the long-term survival of our species? Of what benefit is it for any member of our species?
It makes me feel good inside uwu

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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:51 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:lmao, audio of Richard Spencer being an absolute manbaby got leaked by some of his fellow jackbooted fuckwits in what's almost definitely some classical fascist in-fighting, and you can literally smell the salt in his tears as he cries about how superior he is to Jews. It's fucking epic.

EDIT: Link for the curious. There's, shockingly, only one slur thrown out in that entire rant, which occurred because he heard that Heather Heyer was killed.

It really puts into context his livestream where he cried on camera that AntiFA was (and still is) winning.

I can't decide whether that's pathetic, disturbing, or infuriating. Maybe all three.


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Postby Rostavykhan » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:52 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:And why should we care for the long-term survival of our species? Of what benefit is it for any member of our species?

I makes me feel good inside uwu


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:53 pm

Makdon wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:And why should we care for the long-term survival of our species? Of what benefit is it for any member of our species?

I makes me feel good inside uwu


The very existence of "uwu" makes total nuclear war look not that bad.
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Makdon wrote:I makes me feel good inside uwu


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Postby Nakena » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:55 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:And why should we care for the long-term survival of our species?


Because its a necessarity.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Of what benefit is it for any member of our species?


Getting to the next levels. Not saying that we become our own god, only insofar as that my motto is: Glory to Mankind

And not that abrahamic god.

That is, I am aware, a heretical position from a christian viewpoint.

As mentioned before I am, from a christian perspective, being Satanist. Satanism here would be all about becoming aware about ourself as described in my previous posts, a different worldview than christianity that is centered around the nazarene god. As satanist thus I detest and reject the nazarene religion of christianity, of whom not a few followers are afraid of dying while weighed down by guilt and envy. Christianity has, as Islam, inverted all natural values and virtues alike, setting us back in our evolution and the western world for many centuries. It wanst until it shackles where thrown away and back that the faustian spirit was to rise.

Satanism on the contrary is positive towards our promethian drive to go forward in our evolution as species and individual humans. It's way is thus a way to realize the potential that lies within us all.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:55 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Makdon wrote:I makes me feel good inside uwu


The very existence of "uwu" makes total nuclear war look not that bad.


I think you mean towotal nuwucwear war :^3
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:57 pm

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Makdon wrote:I makes me feel good inside uwu


The very existence of "uwu" makes total nuclear war look not that bad.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:00 pm

Nakena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:And why should we care for the long-term survival of our species?


Because its a necessarity.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Of what benefit is it for any member of our species?


Getting to the next levels. Not saying that we become our own god, only insofar as that my motto is: Glory to Mankind

And not that abrahamic god.

That is, I am aware, a heretical position from a christian viewpoint.

As mentioned before I am, from a christian perspective, being Satanist. Satanism here would be all about becoming aware about ourself as described in my previous posts, a different worldview than christianity that is centered around the nazarene god. As satanist thus I detest and reject the nazarene religion of christianity, of whom not a few followers are afraid of dying and weighed down by guilt and envy. Christianity has, as Islam, inverted all natural values and virtues alike, setting us back in our evolution and the western world for many centuries. It wanst until it shackles where thrown away and back that the faustian spirit was to rise.

Satanism on the contrary is positive towards our promethian drive to go forward in our evolution as species and individual humans. It's way is thus a way to realize the potential that lies within us all.

Why should we get to the next level, what is the purpose of it? You're misunderstanding me, I fear. My criticism is not that we shall not accomplish much this way, it's that that progress doesn't matter. Death will still come for us all. It hasn't fixed existence. I follow Christianity because it offers a way to fix existence so that we can all live without the terror of death hanging over us, that we shall be redeemed and live with our God and there will be no more suffering or death.
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Postby Makdon » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:11 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Why should we get to the next level, what is the purpose of it? You're misunderstanding me, I fear. My criticism is not that we shall not accomplish much this way, it's that that progress doesn't matter. Death will still come for us all. It hasn't fixed existence. I follow Christianity because it offers a way to fix existence so that we can all live without the terror of death hanging over us, that we shall be redeemed and live with our God and there will be no more suffering or death.

I think I already answered this
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United Muscovite Nations wrote:And why should we care for the long-term survival of our species? Of what benefit is it for any member of our species?
It makes me feel good inside uwu

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Postby Nakena » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:14 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Because its a necessarity.



Getting to the next levels. Not saying that we become our own god, only insofar as that my motto is: Glory to Mankind

And not that abrahamic god.

That is, I am aware, a heretical position from a christian viewpoint.

As mentioned before I am, from a christian perspective, being Satanist. Satanism here would be all about becoming aware about ourself as described in my previous posts, a different worldview than christianity that is centered around the nazarene god. As satanist thus I detest and reject the nazarene religion of christianity, of whom not a few followers are afraid of dying and weighed down by guilt and envy. Christianity has, as Islam, inverted all natural values and virtues alike, setting us back in our evolution and the western world for many centuries. It wanst until it shackles where thrown away and back that the faustian spirit was to rise.

Satanism on the contrary is positive towards our promethian drive to go forward in our evolution as species and individual humans. It's way is thus a way to realize the potential that lies within us all.

Why should we get to the next level, what is the purpose of it? You're misunderstanding me, I fear. My criticism is not that we shall not accomplish much this way, it's that that progress doesn't matter. Death will still come for us all. It hasn't fixed existence. I follow Christianity because it offers a way to fix existence so that we can all live without the terror of death hanging over us, that we shall be redeemed and live with our God and there will be no more suffering or death.


No i getchu. Entirely. But that is the other level there. And for me its a bit different than for you.

The best thing I can hope for that my satanic senpais on the other side do notice me and keep me around as their slave for an eternity. christianity is easy mode compared to that. uWu
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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:15 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Because its a necessarity.



Getting to the next levels. Not saying that we become our own god, only insofar as that my motto is: Glory to Mankind

And not that abrahamic god.

That is, I am aware, a heretical position from a christian viewpoint.

As mentioned before I am, from a christian perspective, being Satanist. Satanism here would be all about becoming aware about ourself as described in my previous posts, a different worldview than christianity that is centered around the nazarene god. As satanist thus I detest and reject the nazarene religion of christianity, of whom not a few followers are afraid of dying and weighed down by guilt and envy. Christianity has, as Islam, inverted all natural values and virtues alike, setting us back in our evolution and the western world for many centuries. It wanst until it shackles where thrown away and back that the faustian spirit was to rise.

Satanism on the contrary is positive towards our promethian drive to go forward in our evolution as species and individual humans. It's way is thus a way to realize the potential that lies within us all.

Why should we get to the next level, what is the purpose of it? You're misunderstanding me, I fear. My criticism is not that we shall not accomplish much this way, it's that that progress doesn't matter. Death will still come for us all. It hasn't fixed existence. I follow Christianity because it offers a way to fix existence so that we can all live without the terror of death hanging over us, that we shall be redeemed and live with our God and there will be no more suffering or death.

I’ve never understood this idea that death coming for everyone is a bad thing.
It happens. So? The temporal nature of existence is what gives it value. Eternity is worthless.
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