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Under which leaders (if any) was the Soviet Union socialist?

Lenin (1918-1924)
411
34%
Stalin (1924-1953)
223
19%
Khrushchev (1953-1964)
149
12%
Brezhnev (1964-1982)
125
10%
Gorbachev (1985-1991)
126
10%
Never
167
14%
 
Total votes : 1201

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:21 pm

Joohan wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>Bernie literally supports democratic worker control in businesses (which is Socialist in nature) and wants to start his presidency off by giving workers 50% democratic representation in businesses (which is a metric fuckton higher than America currently sees), among numerous other policies that'd significantly help the workers of America
>His base is almost entirely made up of working-class people, as campaign donations show, which was the whole point of bringing them up
>This further demonstrates that the American working class is turning toward Socialist and Social Democratic ideas, which is an inherently good thing
>"SuCc DeM!!1!1!111!!!!1!1!! wHy PoLiTiCiAn MaN nO bE a PuRiSt To My iDeA oF SoCiALiSm?!1?!?!?!????!1!!"

It's really no fucking wonder why you joined in on the right-wing circlejerk about "muh bourgie urban hipster elitist Liberal cabal pretending to be socialist xD" that cropped up in this thread yesterday when you're acting this flippant over me disproving your anecdote about said circlejerk.


From all of what i've read and heard, his support is more from young people than necessarily the working class as a whole. Grad-students and what not, as opposed to working class family people or otherwise, who were reviled for their support of Donald Trump back in 2016


His base isn't made up of the working class as a whole, which I never said it was (though that'd be fucking awesome if it was because that'd be the easiest landslide victory in American presidential history), but his base is almost entirely made up of working-class people of all ages, primarily with the younger generations, but there's still a significant share of older working-class people as well.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:15 pm

Can't we all just get along
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:08 pm

Kubra wrote:Can't we all just get along


Left unity is a meme and you know it.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:22 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubra wrote:Can't we all just get along


Left unity is a meme and you know it.

This is a good thing, however.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:34 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubra wrote:Can't we all just get along


Left unity is a meme and you know it.
well then can't we just agree to disagree
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:43 pm

I want the RW posters to go back to their assigned thread.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:46 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I want the RW posters to go back to their assigned thread.

I cross threads all the time, though…
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Postby Crysuko » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:19 pm

Is there a left wing treatment for this penetrating sense of world weariness I feel. I just feel like whenever the left has something of a chance (Sanders, Corbyn) circumstances conspire to stamp it out. Trump's hollow populism and the endless death march of brexit, with these things and others I'm tempted to become the epic, gold quality socialist survivalist.

At least it'll give me something to work on.
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Kubra » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:36 pm

Crysuko wrote:Is there a left wing treatment for this penetrating sense of world weariness I feel. I just feel like whenever the left has something of a chance (Sanders, Corbyn) circumstances conspire to stamp it out. Trump's hollow populism and the endless death march of brexit, with these things and others I'm tempted to become the epic, gold quality socialist survivalist.

At least it'll give me something to work on.
ok there Camatte
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
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Postby Crysuko » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:41 pm

Kubra wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Is there a left wing treatment for this penetrating sense of world weariness I feel. I just feel like whenever the left has something of a chance (Sanders, Corbyn) circumstances conspire to stamp it out. Trump's hollow populism and the endless death march of brexit, with these things and others I'm tempted to become the epic, gold quality socialist survivalist.

At least it'll give me something to work on.
ok there Camatte

Whom?
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Kubra
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Postby Kubra » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:44 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Kubra wrote: ok there Camatte

Whom?
some italian ultra-leninist that decided "fuck it" and has resided innawoods since, like damn, think he settled in the bush back in the 70's.
Then again he's in the french bush like how hard could it be
Last edited by Kubra on Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:45 pm, edited 2 times in total.
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
Comrade J. Posadas

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Postby Crysuko » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:50 pm

Kubra wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Whom?
some italian ultra-leninist that decided "fuck it" and has resided innawoods since, like damn, think he settled in the bush back in the 70's.
Then again he's in the french bush like how hard could it be

Probably me irl in about 20 years
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Official thread euthanologist
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Postby First American Empire » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:51 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubra wrote:Can't we all just get along


Left unity is a meme and you know it.


Then it's time we turned this meme into reality.
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Postby Crysuko » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:02 pm

First American Empire wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Left unity is a meme and you know it.


Then it's time we turned this meme into reality.

Didn't really work in Spain. Can you put MLs, Maoists, Anarchists, SocDems, DemSocs, MarkSocs, Syndicalists et al in a room together without them wanting to strangle each other before long.
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Official thread euthanologist
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:08 pm

Crysuko wrote:Is there a left wing treatment for this penetrating sense of world weariness I feel. I just feel like whenever the left has something of a chance (Sanders, Corbyn) circumstances conspire to stamp it out. Trump's hollow populism and the endless death march of brexit, with these things and others I'm tempted to become the epic, gold quality socialist survivalist.

At least it'll give me something to work on.

The treatment to late capitalism is surgery to cut the cancer out.

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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:13 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Is there a left wing treatment for this penetrating sense of world weariness I feel. I just feel like whenever the left has something of a chance (Sanders, Corbyn) circumstances conspire to stamp it out. Trump's hollow populism and the endless death march of brexit, with these things and others I'm tempted to become the epic, gold quality socialist survivalist.

At least it'll give me something to work on.

The treatment to late capitalism is surgery to cut the cancer out.

What force on earth is weaker, than the feeble strength of one.
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Official thread euthanologist
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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Postby Kowani » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:18 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:The treatment to late capitalism is surgery to cut the cancer out.

What force on earth is weaker, than the feeble strength of one.

One person is all that is needed, to strike a fire.
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Kubra
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Postby Kubra » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:19 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Kubra wrote: some italian ultra-leninist that decided "fuck it" and has resided innawoods since, like damn, think he settled in the bush back in the 70's.
Then again he's in the french bush like how hard could it be

Probably me irl in about 20 years
Hey the outdoors is nice.
well, I mean, some are. At some times.
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
Comrade J. Posadas

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Pasong Tirad
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:20 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:The treatment to late capitalism is surgery to cut the cancer out.

What force on earth is weaker, than the feeble strength of one.

ur mom

Eyyy got em

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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:20 pm

Kubra wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Probably me irl in about 20 years
Hey the outdoors is nice.
well, I mean, some are. At some times.

where I live, being a hermit weirdo who lives in the hills probably wouldn't be too difficult
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Official thread euthanologist
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:22 pm

First American Empire wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Left unity is a meme and you know it.


Then it's time we turned this meme into reality.


Left has repeatedly shown that it cannot meme, so good luck with that.
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Kubra
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Postby Kubra » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:23 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Kubra wrote: Hey the outdoors is nice.
well, I mean, some are. At some times.

where I live, being a hermit weirdo who lives in the hills probably wouldn't be too difficult
what's the temp rn
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
Comrade J. Posadas

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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:24 pm

Kubra wrote:
Crysuko wrote:where I live, being a hermit weirdo who lives in the hills probably wouldn't be too difficult
what's the temp rn


Snowing here
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Crysuko
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Crysuko » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:26 pm

Kubra wrote:
Crysuko wrote:where I live, being a hermit weirdo who lives in the hills probably wouldn't be too difficult
what's the temp rn

5-10 Celsius.
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Official thread euthanologist
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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Kubra
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Founded: Apr 15, 2006
Father Knows Best State

Postby Kubra » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:28 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Kubra wrote: what's the temp rn


Snowing here
Absolutely Unsuitable

Crysuko wrote:
Kubra wrote: what's the temp rn

5-10 Celsius.
Somewhat unsuitable
I mean it always seems a pleasant temperature, but that's only until you have to live in it
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
Comrade J. Posadas

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