LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Liriena]

This but unironically

I wasn't being ironic.

Oh yay!

Tim Pool is making me hate Marvel here.

Since I don't think that any "bad takes" Twitter account has opinions of value (though, saying that, shitty gamer takes is the worst one don't @ me), give a speedy summary. I ain't watchin' that shit.

Seems to be part of a larger discussion about ethics. Sam Seder argues that he believes in reducing harm, where Tim Pool is all about "deontology" and individual morals. Sam Seder sticks to his guns on what Pool calls his "utilitarianism", and Pool's counter argument is "utilitarians are the bad guys in movies" and cites the last two Avengers movies as examples. And Seder, understandably, is not impressed by Pool comparing him to Thanos.

[Liriena]

Also, shitty gamer takes is great stuff. Keeps me up to speed on all the self-serious "gamer" cringe.

[Proctopeo]

I wasn't being ironic.

Oh yay!

I don't see why you'd be skeptical.
I think civilians should be legally allowed to own field artillery.

Since I don't think that any "bad takes" Twitter account has opinions of value (though, saying that, shitty gamer takes is the worst one don't @ me), give a speedy summary. I ain't watchin' that shit.

Seems to be part of a larger discussion about ethics. Sam Seder argues that he believes in reducing harm, where Tim Pool is all about "deontology" and individual morals.

Both are valid positions, and both are also not without their flaws.
The former is similar to "maximizing total happiness" in that one should not overlook the human aspect.
The latter's primary flaw is that fundamentally good actions can have fundamentally bad consequences; in that sense, deontological and consequentialist ethics are both incomplete.

Sam Seder sticks to his guns on what Pool calls his "utilitarianism", and Pool's counter argument is "utilitarians are the bad guys in movies" and cites the last two Avengers movies as examples. And Seder, understandably, is not impressed at Pool comparing him to Thanos.

Maybe Seder is subscribed to r/thanosdidnothingwrong?
While "utilitarians are the bad guys in movies" is not a compelling argument, the spirit is there. Utilitarianism is an ideological view that requires great care or you very well may look like Thanos... or, at least, a utilitarian ethics computer. Again, the human aspect.

Also, shitty gamer takes is great stuff. Keeps me up to speed on all the self-serious "gamer" cringe.

The account fosters a "heehoo gamers bad" circlejerk, and is just generally run by a total asshat.
That, and, while hiding people's names makes it hard to check, much of it seems to be obvious trolls that the mod keeps falling for over and over.

Also, partially scratch what I said. There is one good account like that: ResetERA Takes.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Oh yay!

I don't see why you'd be skeptical.
I think civilians should be legally allowed to own field artillery.

Seems to be part of a larger discussion about ethics. Sam Seder argues that he believes in reducing harm, where Tim Pool is all about "deontology" and individual morals.

Both are valid positions, and both are also not without their flaws.
The former is similar to "maximizing total happiness" in that one should not overlook the human aspect.
The latter's primary flaw is that fundamentally good actions can have fundamentally bad consequences; in that sense, deontological and consequentialist ethics are both incomplete.

Sam Seder sticks to his guns on what Pool calls his "utilitarianism", and Pool's counter argument is "utilitarians are the bad guys in movies" and cites the last two Avengers movies as examples. And Seder, understandably, is not impressed at Pool comparing him to Thanos.

Maybe Seder is subscribed to r/thanosdidnothingwrong?
While "utilitarians are the bad guys in movies" is not a compelling argument, the spirit is there. Utilitarianism is an ideological view that requires great care or you very well may look like Thanos... or, at least, a utilitarian ethics computer. Again, the human aspect.

Also, shitty gamer takes is great stuff. Keeps me up to speed on all the self-serious "gamer" cringe.

The account fosters a "heehoo gamers bad" circlejerk, and is just generally run by a total asshat.
That, and, while hiding people's names makes it hard to check, much of it seems to be obvious trolls that the mod keeps falling for over and over.

Also, partially scratch what I said. There is one good account like that: ResetERA Takes.

To be fair, the whole "gamers bad" mostly is just a way to discredit opposition.

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I don't see why you'd be skeptical.
I think civilians should be legally allowed to own field artillery.


Both are valid positions, and both are also not without their flaws.
The former is similar to "maximizing total happiness" in that one should not overlook the human aspect.
The latter's primary flaw is that fundamentally good actions can have fundamentally bad consequences; in that sense, deontological and consequentialist ethics are both incomplete.


Maybe Seder is subscribed to r/thanosdidnothingwrong?
While "utilitarians are the bad guys in movies" is not a compelling argument, the spirit is there. Utilitarianism is an ideological view that requires great care or you very well may look like Thanos... or, at least, a utilitarian ethics computer. Again, the human aspect.


The account fosters a "heehoo gamers bad" circlejerk, and is just generally run by a total asshat.
That, and, while hiding people's names makes it hard to check, much of it seems to be obvious trolls that the mod keeps falling for over and over.

Also, partially scratch what I said. There is one good account like that: ResetERA Takes.

To be fair, the whole "gamers bad" mostly is just a way to discredit opposition.

Gamers aren't bad, there are millions of gamers and most of them are fine, decent people.

But those who call themselves "gamers" in reference to an identity which is not only characterized by enjoyment of games but also rabid, reactionary anti-SJW hysteria... they're bad.

[Asherahan]

To be fair, the whole "gamers bad" mostly is just a way to discredit opposition.

Gamers aren't bad, there are millions of gamers and most of them are fine, decent people.

But those who call themselves "gamers" in reference to an identity which is not only characterized by enjoyment of games but also rabid, reactionary anti-SJW hysteria... they're bad.

Oh like that time we bitched about Norwegian Commandos becoming a bunch of women and calling it a real story?

No wait that was SJWs altering history instead of i don't know showing us a female sniper in the eastern front or female pilot or a partisan woman in occupied Europe.

I really want to say some choice naughty words but i will just say no your wrong and we of the reasonable majority who criticize SJW bullshit in videogames are right.

[Proctopeo]

Gamers aren't bad, there are millions of gamers and most of them are fine, decent people.

But those who call themselves "gamers" in reference to an identity which is not only characterized by enjoyment of games but also rabid, reactionary anti-SJW hysteria... they're bad.

That's not really a thing (at least, not in any remotely significant quantity), that's a strawman pushed by the likes of Kotaku to dismiss legitimate criticisms of bad writing or design decisions.

[Kubra]

Official party policy is gamers to the gulag, weebs against the wall

[Cekoviu]

Gamers aren't bad, there are millions of gamers and most of them are fine, decent people.

But those who call themselves "gamers" in reference to an identity which is not only characterized by enjoyment of games but also rabid, reactionary anti-SJW hysteria... they're bad.

Oh like that time we bitched about Norwegian Commandos becoming a bunch of women and calling it a real story?

No wait that was SJWs altering history instead of i don't know showing us a female sniper in the eastern front or female pilot or a partisan woman in occupied Europe.

I really want to say some choice naughty words but i will just say no your wrong and we of the reasonable majority who criticize SJW bullshit in videogames are right.

> we criticize "SJW bullshit" in vidya
> we are the reasonable majority
I see at least one problem here.

[Cekoviu]

Gamers aren't bad, there are millions of gamers and most of them are fine, decent people.

But those who call themselves "gamers" in reference to an identity which is not only characterized by enjoyment of games but also rabid, reactionary anti-SJW hysteria... they're bad.

That's not really a thing (at least, not in any remotely significant quantity), that's a strawman pushed by the likes of Kotaku to dismiss legitimate criticisms of bad writing or design decisions.

Tfw you want to pretend anti-SJW gamer culture isn't a thing but also /r/kotakuinaction has 116000 subscribers

[Proctopeo]

That's not really a thing (at least, not in any remotely significant quantity), that's a strawman pushed by the likes of Kotaku to dismiss legitimate criticisms of bad writing or design decisions.

Tfw you want to pretend anti-SJW gamer culture isn't a thing but also /r/kotakuinaction has 116000 subscribers

"anti-SJW gamer culture" exists, yes. However, "rabid, reactionary anti-SJW hysteria" is just patent nonsense. The hysteria about the hysteria is present in significant quantities, however.

[Ostroeuropa]

Nobody:
Not a soul:
Hillary Clinton: "Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian Agent.".

“She’s accusing everyone of being a Russian agent,” Trump told reporters of his 2016 general election opponent.
“These people are sick. There’s something wrong with them,” he said

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/2 ... ent-053294


Also, credit to Kyle Kulinski for pointing this out, but Gabbards response of;

"You're a crook and a war criminal though. Come on, join the primary Hillary there's still time.".

Garnered exactly zero criticism from other democratic candidates, while almost all of them were like "Hillary, what the fuck? Don't accuse people of being Russian Agents when you have no evidence.".

[Northern Davincia]

Official party policy is gamers to the gulag, weebs against the wall

My ancestors are smiling at me, comrade. Can yours say the same?

[Totally Not OEP]

I firmly feel we should've attacked the Soviet Union in 1945 while we still had the conventional and nuclear advantage over the Red Army.

[Bear Stearns]

I firmly feel we should've attacked the Soviet Union in 1945 while we still had the conventional and nuclear advantage over the Red Army.

Yes.

[Cekoviu]

Tfw you want to pretend anti-SJW gamer culture isn't a thing but also /r/kotakuinaction has 116000 subscribers

"anti-SJW gamer culture" exists, yes. However, "rabid, reactionary anti-SJW hysteria" is just patent nonsense. The hysteria about the hysteria is present in significant quantities, however.

Wow. If you put your head any deeper in the sand, you'd hit lava.

[Torrocca]

I firmly feel we should've attacked the Soviet Union in 1945 while we still had the conventional and nuclear advantage over the Red Army.

Firmly believing in the fantastical grandeur of wantonly killing millions of people in a bullshit hypothetical war is a patently stupid belief.

[Crysuko]

I firmly feel we should've attacked the Soviet Union in 1945 while we still had the conventional and nuclear advantage over the Red Army.

This isn't the thread for sharing your fap bank

[Ostroeuropa]

"anti-SJW gamer culture" exists, yes. However, "rabid, reactionary anti-SJW hysteria" is just patent nonsense. The hysteria about the hysteria is present in significant quantities, however.

Wow. If you put your head any deeper in the sand, you'd hit lava.

Got any example threads?

[Totally Not OEP]

I firmly feel we should've attacked the Soviet Union in 1945 while we still had the conventional and nuclear advantage over the Red Army.

Firmly believing in the fantastical grandeur of wantonly killing millions of people in a bullshit hypothetical war is a patently stupid belief.

Not at all, because the RKKA would be rapidly beaten and 50 million lives would be saved.

[Nakena]

I firmly feel we should've attacked the Soviet Union in 1945 while we still had the conventional and nuclear advantage over the Red Army.

Operation Unthinkable

I firmly feel we should've attacked the Soviet Union in 1945 while we still had the conventional and nuclear advantage over the Red Army.

This isn't the thread for sharing your fap bank

You mean: wasn't. :^)

[Bear Stearns]

Firmly believing in the fantastical grandeur of wantonly killing millions of people in a bullshit hypothetical war is a patently stupid belief.

Not at all, because the RKKA would be rapidly beaten and 50 million lives would be saved.

Basically all of occupied Eastern Europe would pick up their arms and side with the advancing Allied armies against the Reds.

[Torrocca]

Firmly believing in the fantastical grandeur of wantonly killing millions of people in a bullshit hypothetical war is a patently stupid belief.

Not at all, because the RKKA would be rapidly beaten and 50 million lives would be saved.

Clearly, you have a much better understanding of the situation in post-war Europe than the combined high command of all the Western Allies.

[Totally Not OEP]

Not at all, because the RKKA would be rapidly beaten and 50 million lives would be saved.

Clearly, you have a much better understanding of the situation in post-war Europe than the combined high command of all the Western Allies.

Yes, because Hindsight is indeed 20/20. We now have access to the history of both sides to allow us to form an educated opinion on how the operation would’ve unfolded.

[Torrocca]

Clearly, you have a much better understanding of the situation in post-war Europe than the combined high command of all the Western Allies.

Yes, because Hindsight is indeed 20/20. We now have access to the history of both sides to allow us to form an educated opinion on how the operation would’ve unfolded.

Considering you think the Nazis had a superior industrial capacity compared to the Allies, among other hilariously wrong things, I'm gonna go ahead and say you're not actually forming an educated opinion on the matter, just that you're pretending to.