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Under which leaders (if any) was the Soviet Union socialist?

Lenin (1918-1924)
411
34%
Stalin (1924-1953)
223
19%
Khrushchev (1953-1964)
149
12%
Brezhnev (1964-1982)
125
10%
Gorbachev (1985-1991)
126
10%
Never
167
14%
 
Total votes : 1201

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:48 am



Can someone check the rules - is there allowed to be a good candidate rather than just a lesser evil?
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:49 am

Asherahan wrote:My opinion is the PRC should do to HK a Tianamen Square 2 Electric Boogaloo and restore order.


What a coincidence, this is the PRC's opinion too.
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Postby North German Realm » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:05 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:


Can someone check the rules - is there allowed to be a good candidate rather than just a lesser evil?

I'm pretty sure it's against the rules at this point
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Postby Page » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:23 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:


Can someone check the rules - is there allowed to be a good candidate rather than just a lesser evil?


The DNC's rules say no but I heard a rumor this can be overruled by a huge number of voters... if enough people vote.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:31 pm


I'm sure reality would force him to be more moderate when he is in office.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:12 pm


About time he activated his ultra attack.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:02 pm

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:05 pm

Now all Bernie needs is a beard.

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Postby North German Realm » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:14 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

I'm sure reality would force him to be more moderate when he is in office.

To be perfectly fair, him becoming a senator did not make his positions any more moderate (one could say he went from "gib universal single-payer healthcare" to "gib workers owning near half the stocks of large corporations" so uh, he kinda went the other way) so it's always possible he won't become moderate if he becomes elected.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Duvniask » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:10 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:Now all Bernie needs is a beard.

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Uwu.

Please make it happen.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:07 am

Duvniask wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Now all Bernie needs is a beard.

Image


Uwu.

Please make it happen.

As all traditional socialists do. :D
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:43 am

Arumdaum wrote:How does everyone feel here about what's going on in Hong Kong? It's ignited a civil war between anarchists and tankies on the left lol


Given our location in the First Island Chain, I feel very threatened that China is consolidating its geopolitical stance on things. They would probably force our hands to agree with them and complete the First Island Chain very soon. Having China on our doorstep and Duterte initiating friendships and ignoring WPS for China is quite disturbing.

Not a lot of people take political stances except for those at college, which means most don’t really care until someone says “Welcome to Philippines, Province of China” (actually happened) then they go ballistic. But other than that, politics is largely ignored from my perspective.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:36 am

Duvniask wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Now all Bernie needs is a beard.

Image


Uwu.

Please make it happen.

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Postby Kubra » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:48 am

So I got rip roaring drunk, messy cried to an anime, and joined the local socdem party. That's about half an hour's time.
Where do I go from here
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Postby Nakena » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:50 am

Kubra wrote:So I got rip roaring drunk, messy cried to an anime, and joined the local socdem party. That's about half an hour's time.
Where do I go from here


Into bed.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:54 am

Kubra wrote:So I got rip roaring drunk, messy cried to an anime, and joined the local socdem party. That's about half an hour's time.
Where do I go from here


Drunkposting and then ban. That's the usual pathway.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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You are the trolley problem's conductor. You could stop the train in time but you do not. Nobody knows you're part of the equation. You satisfy your bloodlust and get away with it every time

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:08 am

1990 - Throws joker into a vat of toxic waste
2019 - Throws joker into capitalism

They're the same picture.meme
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Crysuko » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:15 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Kubra wrote:So I got rip roaring drunk, messy cried to an anime, and joined the local socdem party. That's about half an hour's time.
Where do I go from here


Drunkposting and then ban. That's the usual pathway.


Last time I got drunk, I full in ugly cried next to 2 people kissing. I don't even remember why.
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This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

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one week ban for flaming xd

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:19 am

Crysuko wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Drunkposting and then ban. That's the usual pathway.


Last time I got drunk, I full in ugly cried next to 2 people kissing. I don't even remember why.


I'm a happy drunk and much better company than when I'm sober.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Freedom is when people agree with you, and the more people you can force to act like they agree the freer society is
You are the trolley problem's conductor. You could stop the train in time but you do not. Nobody knows you're part of the equation. You satisfy your bloodlust and get away with it every time

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Postby Crysuko » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:30 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Crysuko wrote:
Last time I got drunk, I full in ugly cried next to 2 people kissing. I don't even remember why.


I'm a happy drunk and much better company than when I'm sober.

Eh, I get hella mood swings. I'm much better stoned. I basically turn into a guru.
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:51 am

Crysuko wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
I'm a happy drunk and much better company than when I'm sober.

Eh, I get hella mood swings. I'm much better stoned. I basically turn into a guru.


I've never tried that stuff. A couple of acquaintances developed mental health issues or dropped out of working when they got into it and my grip on reality is enough of an upside-down toehold as it is.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Freedom is when people agree with you, and the more people you can force to act like they agree the freer society is
You are the trolley problem's conductor. You could stop the train in time but you do not. Nobody knows you're part of the equation. You satisfy your bloodlust and get away with it every time

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:50 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Eh, I get hella mood swings. I'm much better stoned. I basically turn into a guru.


I've never tried that stuff. A couple of acquaintances developed mental health issues or dropped out of working when they got into it and my grip on reality is enough of an upside-down toehold as it is.


My personal experience with drugs was apathy and idleness for years until straight up psychosis followed by me putting the drugs down and going okay I need distractions from this crazy bullshit. Probably not a common route but losing my grip on reality made me more productive and so on.

I also got a bit liberated from social pressure from it. Hearing everyone you know roast you for days through disembodied voiced produced by some unknown means and talk about how their so sick of your shit they've conducted a gaslighting campaign of that magnitude eventually led to "fuck it, you guys are jerks anyway" which kind of persisted. My level of tolerance for people thinking ill of me shorted out.

Still wouldn't recommend. Eternally butthurt by some of the shit that happened and embarrassed and traumatized. Good insight into stuff though once you examine it critically. My shenanigans with gathering evidence to prove I was either insane or stumble across the bugs they'd put in my flat got pretty creative by the end before I concluded children and animals could not possibly be in on a conspiracy to ignore the voices while in my company in order to gaslight me, thus, I must be mad.

This then led to a brief period of twisted pleasure at being off my fucking rocker and having managed to hide it from everyone and inwardly giggling to myself wondering if I could keep it up. Dropping references and in jokes in to conversations with others and so on.

Thing is, knowing your mad is one thing, remembering it is another. A good shocking accusation or phrase or one coincidence too many or another plausible explanation for it all would send it tumbling away and then I was back to using stethoscope around my apartment trying to locate the physical location of the voices.

Eventually therapy and admitting it to professionals got me through it and now I'm On the whole "I literally don't have time to play lets get paranoid for 8 hours I have somewhere to be" train.

The uncertainty is the worst part. In now fully get why people go full deranged. I was happier believing in a full on conspjracy than wondering if it might be true. Losing your grip on reality is awful, even if that reality is nonsense. The exhausting transition from "I'm mad" to "maybe not maybe weve just successfully fucked with you haha" to "I'm not mad they're out to get me" and back again.

Would not recommend. Defo don't do drugs.
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Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Chan Island » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:53 am

Duvniask wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Now all Bernie needs is a beard.

Image


Uwu.

Please make it happen.


This man would get 100% of the vote. :p
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:20 am

Kubra wrote:So I got rip roaring drunk, messy cried to an anime, and joined the local socdem party. That's about half an hour's time.
Where do I go from here

Shift the party further left.

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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:50 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Kubra wrote:So I got rip roaring drunk, messy cried to an anime, and joined the local socdem party. That's about half an hour's time.
Where do I go from here

Shift the party further left.


Can anyone hear a ripping sound?

You've split the Party!
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Freedom is when people agree with you, and the more people you can force to act like they agree the freer society is
You are the trolley problem's conductor. You could stop the train in time but you do not. Nobody knows you're part of the equation. You satisfy your bloodlust and get away with it every time

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