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Under which leaders (if any) was the Soviet Union socialist?

Lenin (1918-1924)
411
34%
Stalin (1924-1953)
223
19%
Khrushchev (1953-1964)
149
12%
Brezhnev (1964-1982)
125
10%
Gorbachev (1985-1991)
126
10%
Never
167
14%
 
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:28 pm

Nakena wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I've already seen it. Strasserism seems more tolerant of trans people than other forms of fascism.


You liked what you saw? Maybe it isnt so bad after all. :^)

I said nothing about liking it. Indifference would better describe my current attitude towards it.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:35 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Nakena wrote:
You liked what you saw? Maybe it isnt so bad after all. :^)

I said nothing about liking it. Indifference would better describe my current attitude towards it.

Ok, I should have used the term neutral here actually. I don't have much of an opinion at this time.

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Postby Trotskylvania » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:37 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Nakena wrote:
DI is the local expert for Strasserism.

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Nazism mixed with communism.

It really wasn't. It was social democratic third positionism plus racism and the cult of redemptive violence.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:48 am

Nakena wrote:
Meligoland wrote:depends on the type. Hitler's National Socialism? no.

Strasserism? yes.


DI is the local expert for Strasserism.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:34 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Nakena wrote:
DI is the local expert for Strasserism.

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Nazism mixed with communism.

Did you mean Nazbol?
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Postby Nakena » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:49 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Nakena wrote:
DI is the local expert for Strasserism.

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Hello. I'm a little late. Omit the word "expert" when trying to summon me, my chronic imposter syndrome tends to cause the circle to misfire and instead bring forth dimension-twisting nightmare void creatures.


Good. Exactly as intended. Unleash the void creatures onto the unsupecting normies and make them shiver and crumble in agony upon their arrival.

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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:51 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:The amount of people attempting to justify the Turkish ethnic cleansing of Rojava is absolutely despicable.


Are they actually ethnic cleansing them?

Regardless, as harsh as it may seem, I don't have much sympathy for the Kurds. They did, after all, get the land they live on now by participating in the Armenian Genocide.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:55 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:The amount of people attempting to justify the Turkish ethnic cleansing of Rojava is absolutely despicable.


Are they actually ethnic cleansing them?

Regardless, as harsh as it may seem, I don't have much sympathy for the Kurds. They did, after all, get the land they live on now by participating in the Armenian Genocide.

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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:59 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Are they actually ethnic cleansing them?

Regardless, as harsh as it may seem, I don't have much sympathy for the Kurds. They did, after all, get the land they live on now by participating in the Armenian Genocide.

joke: dividing the region between Turkey, Iraq, Syria, and Iran
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It's a historical tragedy that the Treaty of Sevres wasn't properly imposed on Turkey.
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:02 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:The amount of people attempting to justify the Turkish ethnic cleansing of Rojava is absolutely despicable.


Are they actually ethnic cleansing them?

Regardless, as harsh as it may seem, I don't have much sympathy for the Kurds. They did, after all, get the land they live on now by participating in the Armenian Genocide.


Quick question: what's your opinion on making white people pay reparations for the descendants of slaves?
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:02 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:joke: dividing the region between Turkey, Iraq, Syria, and Iran
broke: giving the region to the Kurds
woke: restoring the true extent of Armenia


It's a historical tragedy that the Treaty of Sevres wasn't properly imposed on Turkey.

Yes it was. Unfortunately, nobody felt inclined to fully enforce it.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:05 am

Torrocca wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Are they actually ethnic cleansing them?

Regardless, as harsh as it may seem, I don't have much sympathy for the Kurds. They did, after all, get the land they live on now by participating in the Armenian Genocide.


Quick question: what's your opinion on making white people pay reparations for the descendants of slaves?


If it were done during the Reconstruction, and only applying reparations to actually guilty party, i.e plantation owners, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

But regardless, I'm not calling for any particular action on the Kurds, I just don't sympathize with their plight considering they did the same to the Armenians and other minorities that were targeted in the genocide.
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:06 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Quick question: what's your opinion on making white people pay reparations for the descendants of slaves?


If it were done during the Reconstruction, and only applying reparations to actually guilty party, i.e plantation owners, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.


So you'd have a problem with making future generations of white people pay reparations to the descendants of slaves, correct?
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:09 am

Torrocca wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
If it were done during the Reconstruction, and only applying reparations to actually guilty party, i.e plantation owners, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.


So you'd have a problem with making future generations of white people pay reparations to the descendants of slaves, correct?


You clearly didn't comprehend anything I just wrote. You're just trying to lazily "gotcha" me.

The problem with your accusation is that I'm not calling for anything on the Kurds. I just don't have any sympathy for them, it's passive.

Why should I care if they, the perpetrators and profiteers of genocide and ethnic cleansing, receive that in turn?

If you make a deal with the Devil, don't be surprised if it bites you in the ass.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:12 am

Proctopeo wrote:Yes it was. Unfortunately, nobody felt inclined to fully enforce it.


It wasn't that they didn't try. It's the fact that the Turks rallied and prevented the enforcement (and then did more genocide and ethnic cleansing).
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:13 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
So you'd have a problem with making future generations of white people pay reparations to the descendants of slaves, correct?


You clearly didn't comprehend anything I just wrote. You're just trying to lazily "gotcha" me.


Nah, I'm actually not. I'm using this to point out the blatant hypocrisy you're displaying.

The problem with your accusation is that I'm not calling for anything on the Kurds. I just don't have any sympathy for them, it's passive.

Why should I care if they, the perpetrators and profiteers of genocide and ethnic cleansing, receive that in turn?


So you have a passive lack of care that the current-day Kurds - some of whom's ancestors participated in the Armenian genocide - are going to be genocided themselves, but you would have grievances with punishing white people by forcing them to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves because some of their ancestors participated in slavery.

Epic hypocrisy, my dude.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:20 am

Torrocca wrote:
So you have a passive lack of care that the current-day Kurds - some of whom's ancestors participated in the Armenian genocide - are going to be genocided themselves, but you would have grievances with punishing white people by forcing them to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves because some of their ancestors participated in slavery.

Epic hypocrisy, my dude.


This is really pathetic in how far you're reaching.

Not every white person has profited off of slavery or the slave trade (unless you think Finns and Komi peoples also share slavery-guilt by some convoluted metric). Plantation owners and slave traders did, so if you can track their descendants down and they still have wealth born from slavery, then that's fair to apply reparations. I don't think it's practical to do so considering it was so long ago, but I wouldn't object if they managed to track them down and apply a tax.

The Kurds, on most of the land they live on now, was taken from Armenians and other minorities targeted by the Young Turks (a cursory look at old ethnic distributions with modern ones would show this is true). They got that land by making a deal with the Devil, as it were. And now, as it were, the Devil's come after them.

Boo Hoo.
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Postby North German Realm » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:21 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
So you have a passive lack of care that the current-day Kurds - some of whom's ancestors participated in the Armenian genocide - are going to be genocided themselves, but you would have grievances with punishing white people by forcing them to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves because some of their ancestors participated in slavery.

Epic hypocrisy, my dude.


This is really pathetic in how far you're reaching.

Not every white person has profited off of slavery or the slave trade (unless you think Finns and Komi peoples also share slavery-guilt by some convoluted metric). Plantation owners and slave traders did, so if you can track their descendants down and they still have wealth born from slavery, then that's fair to apply reparations. I don't think it's practical to do so considering it was so long ago, but I wouldn't object if they managed to track them down and apply a tax.

The Kurds, on most of the land they live on now, was taken from Armenians and other minorities targeted by the Young Turks (a cursory look at old ethnic distributions with modern ones would show this is true). They got that land by making a deal with the Devil, as it were. And now, as it were, the Devil's come after them.

Boo Hoo.

That's factually incorrect though.
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:26 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
So you have a passive lack of care that the current-day Kurds - some of whom's ancestors participated in the Armenian genocide - are going to be genocided themselves, but you would have grievances with punishing white people by forcing them to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves because some of their ancestors participated in slavery.

Epic hypocrisy, my dude.


This is really pathetic in how far you're reaching.

Not every white person has profited off of slavery or the slave trade (unless you think Finns and Komi peoples also share slavery-guilt by some convoluted metric). Plantation owners and slave traders did, so if you can track their descendants down and they still have wealth born from slavery, then that's fair to apply reparations. I don't think it's practical to do so considering it was so long ago, but I wouldn't object if they managed to track them down and apply a tax.

The Kurds, on most of the land they live on now, was taken from Armenians and other minorities targeted by the Young Turks (a cursory look at old ethnic distributions with modern ones would show this is true). They got that land by making a deal with the Devil, as it were. And now, as it were, the Devil's come after them.

Boo Hoo.


I really love how you're not fine with one group of people taking the blame for the crimes of their ancestors, but you're simultaneously fine with a different group of people taking the blame for the crimes of their ancestors. Really gets my brain juices sloshing.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:27 am

What does LWDT think about National Bolshevism?

Those are the only forms of bolshevism i could get behind with. ^^

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Postby North German Realm » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:28 am

Nakena wrote:What does LWDT think about National Bolshevism?

Those are the only forms of bolshevism i could get behind with. ^^

The unholy mix of Authoritarian Socialism and Fascism? No thanks.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:31 am

North German Realm wrote:
Nakena wrote:What does LWDT think about National Bolshevism?

Those are the only forms of bolshevism i could get behind with. ^^

The unholy mix of Authoritarian Socialism and Fascism? No thanks.


Actually its a apparently bit more complicated than that. But I am not an expert.

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