LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Cappuccina]

Vietnam was Marxist?

Marxist-Leninist to be exactly.

Still is technically.

Vietnam is a unitary Marxist-Leninist one-party socialist republic, one of the two communist states (the other being Laos) in Southeast Asia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Vietnam

It's not "really" Marxist-Leninist though!!!!

[New haven america]

ain't it tho
ain't it

No. The idea that all the world's problems are caused by capitalism is wrong.

Interesting discussion here of late. Increasingly convinced by the idea that coordinated activity worldwide at a moment of capitalist crisis is the only way to permanently alter the economic system.

It hasn't been the only way to do so in the past. What's different now?

The end of capitalism on anything other than our terms is more likely to damn us all than deliver a socialist utopia.

Close, in my opinion. The end of capitalism on anything other than reformist terms is more likely to damn us all than deliver a Socialist utopia.

All is a bit of a stretch.

The majority is much more fitting.

[Hanafuridake]

The end of capitalism on anything other than reformist terms is more likely to damn us all than deliver a Socialist utopia.

As much as global warming is going to damn us all to a hellish death?

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

The end of capitalism on anything other than reformist terms is more likely to damn us all than deliver a Socialist utopia.

As much as global warming is going to damn us all to a hellish death?

Unless you live inland

shudders in South Florida home

[Cekoviu]

As much as global warming is going to damn us all to a hellish death?

Unless you live inland

shudders in South Florida home

Including if you live inland.

[Kowani]

Also, because Marxist command economics doesn't work. :^)

Command economies succeed in the places you’d least expect them to. There are also situations where the economy seems like it isn’t doing too well, then said government is deposed and things are much worse, and people realize that the first government wasn’t too bad (as is the case with Zaire/DRC)

Ironically, the first successful economies were all command economies.

[Cappuccina]

Command economies succeed in the places you’d least expect them to. There are also situations where the economy seems like it isn’t doing too well, then said government is deposed and things are much worse, and people realize that the first government wasn’t too bad (as is the case with Zaire/DRC)

Ironically, the first successful economies were all command economies.

Surely you jest.

[Kowani]

Ironically, the first successful economies were all command economies.

Surely you jest.

Not at all.
Every successful state in the Bronze Age (you know, the first part of history where we move into functional economies)-Egypt, Assyria, Mycenae, etc...All command economies.

[Cappuccina]

Surely you jest.

Not at all.
Every successful state in the Bronze Age (you know, the first part of history where we move into functional economies)-Egypt, Assyria, Mycenae, etc...All command economies.

......


Ok, I'll give you that. But I was referring to industrialized economies.

[Salus Maior]

Surely you jest.

Not at all.
Every successful state in the Bronze Age (you know, the first part of history where we move into functional economies)-Egypt, Assyria, Mycenae, etc...All command economies.

It's also thought that they collapsed (The Bronze Age Collapse) due to the command economy. Or at least, the effects of the collapse were made far worse.

[Nakena]

Surely you jest.

Not at all.
Every successful state in the Bronze Age (you know, the first part of history where we move into functional economies)-Egypt, Assyria, Mycenae, etc...All command economies.

Phoenicians would like to have a word with you.

[Kowani]

Not at all.
Every successful state in the Bronze Age (you know, the first part of history where we move into functional economies)-Egypt, Assyria, Mycenae, etc...All command economies.

Phoenicians would like to have a word with you.

Fair point.
So, one counterexample.

Not at all.
Every successful state in the Bronze Age (you know, the first part of history where we move into functional economies)-Egypt, Assyria, Mycenae, etc...All command economies.

It's also thought that they collapsed (The Bronze Age Collapse) due to the command economy. Or at least, the effects of the collapse were made far worse.

Well, not quite. See, the Collapse is kind of a mystery, and what caused it, we’ll probably never know. But what we do know is that while the complications of the system almost certainly helped worsen the collapse, we do know that wasn’t the cause. The collapse itself doesn’t happen without the command economies (tautologically), because there are no grand civilizations to collapse without them.

Not at all.
Every successful state in the Bronze Age (you know, the first part of history where we move into functional economies)-Egypt, Assyria, Mycenae, etc...All command economies.

......


Ok, I'll give you that. But I was referring to industrialized economies.

Ahh. Yeah, that’s fair.
Although one cannot discount the disadvantage the industrialized command economies were starting from.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I'd blame most of them on late stage liberalism...

The inherent positives of liberalism outweigh the inherent negatives of liberalism. You don't need to destroy liberal democratic freedoms to find the best solutions to today's problems.

As much as global warming is going to damn us all to a hellish death?

Global warming is a massive threat to be sure, but what does it have to do with the post you were replying to?

Ironically, the first successful economies were all command economies.

The first economies period were command economies. You keep making this unfair comparison. That's like saying all the winners of a competition were x, therefore x is best, when all the people who competed were in fact x, so it doesn't say much.

[Kowani]

Ironically, the first successful economies were all command economies.

The first economies period were command economies. You keep making this unfair comparison. That's like saying all the winners of a competition were x, therefore x is best, when all the people who competed were in fact x, so it doesn't say much.

Well, they weren’t. Economies as we understand them did actually exist before the Bronze Age States. It’s just that command economies were the only ones that worked, save for the aforementioned Phonecia (whose economic structure I can’t find anything on.)

Regardless, I’m not making a comparison-Capu claimed that command economies didn’t work, so I was pointing out that they had.

[Crysuko]

The first economies period were command economies. You keep making this unfair comparison. That's like saying all the winners of a competition were x, therefore x is best, when all the people who competed were in fact x, so it doesn't say much.

Well, they weren’t. Economies as we understand them did actually exist before the Bronze Age States. It’s just that command economies were the only ones that worked, save for the aforementioned Phonecia (whose economic structure I can’t find anything on.)

Regardless, I’m not making a comparison-Capu claimed that command economies didn’t work, so I was pointing out that they had.

It's the kind of situation which doesn't really allow for absolute yes or no answers, and requires detail be added to them.

[Torrocca]

Absolutely wild this thread's gone four days straight without a post.

That said, this rhetoric's got me hyped as fuck.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

wtf this thread died? How?

[Kowani]

Absolutely wild this thread's gone four days straight without a post.

That said, this rhetoric's got me hyped as fuck.

Bernie is, in my opinion, the best candidate we have.

[Pacomia]

wtf this thread died? How?

I was wondering this too.

[Pacomia]

Absolutely wild this thread's gone four days straight without a post.

That said, this rhetoric's got me hyped as fuck.

Bernie is, in my opinion, the best candidate we have.

Billionaires should not exist.

*watches as my city’s economy immediately collapses*

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Absolutely wild this thread's gone four days straight without a post.

That said, this rhetoric's got me hyped as fuck.

Bernie is, in my opinion, the best candidate we have.

Don’t you mean Marianne Williamson

[Crysuko]

Bernie is, in my opinion, the best candidate we have.

Don’t you mean Marianne Williamson

Literally who

[Kowani]

Bernie is, in my opinion, the best candidate we have.

Billionaires should not exist.

*watches as my city’s economy immediately collapses*

General economic trends would put billionaires as a drain rather than a benefit.

Bernie is, in my opinion, the best candidate we have.

Don’t you mean Marianne Williamson

No. No I don’t.

[Crysuko]

Billionaires should not exist.

*watches as my city’s economy immediately collapses*

General economic trends would put billionaires as a drain rather than a benefit.

Don’t you mean Marianne Williamson

No. No I don’t.

BUT MUH JOB CREATORS

[Torrocca]

Billionaires should not exist.

*watches as my city’s economy immediately collapses*

General economic trends would put billionaires as a drain rather than a benefit.

Don’t you mean Marianne Williamson

No. No I don’t.

The Orb Mother is greatly displeased with your lack of high-energy chakra.