Still no idea what you're on about.
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by Torrocca » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:58 pm
by Hanafuridake » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:01 pm
Genivaria wrote:Never said anything about Starship Troopers or stripping people's rights mate, don't assume shit.
I've stated before my view that I think conscription would be good for the country, that is merely an extension of my view.
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by Genivaria » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:12 pm
Torrocca wrote:Genivaria wrote:Still no idea what you're on about.
Maybe it'd help if you focused on what you're saying? Either you want to strip people of citizenship until they complete some arbitrary task for your ideal state, thus making them stateless until such a point is reached that they have citizenship, or you don't. You can't eat your cake and have it too.
by Torrocca » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:14 pm
Genivaria wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Maybe it'd help if you focused on what you're saying? Either you want to strip people of citizenship until they complete some arbitrary task for your ideal state, thus making them stateless until such a point is reached that they have citizenship, or you don't. You can't eat your cake and have it too.
I challenge you to quote where I said this.
by Genivaria » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:16 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:Genivaria wrote:Never said anything about Starship Troopers or stripping people's rights mate, don't assume shit.
I've stated before my view that I think conscription would be good for the country, that is merely an extension of my view.
Citizenship affords residents of a country some basic rights, such as the right not to be deported. If you want to abolish childhood citizenship, you are stripping residents of the United States of some of their basic civil rights.
by Genivaria » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:18 pm
Torrocca wrote:Genivaria wrote:I challenge you to quote where I said this.Genivaria wrote:Not sure why children would have a different means, they become citizens when they finish their service like everyone else when they're older.
That part. Right there. Where kids don't have citizenship under your regime.
by Torrocca » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:20 pm
by Genivaria » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:23 pm
Torrocca wrote:Genivaria wrote:....you mean like now? I'm equating 'citizenship' with 'adulthood' here because that's when they do their time of service so maybe that's where your confusion is coming from.
TIL'd children, who are born with citizenship in America, don't have citizenship in America.
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by Torrocca » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:27 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:28 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:Genivaria wrote:Not sure why children would have a different means, they become citizens when they finish their service like everyone else when they're older.
You do realize that citizenship entails a lot more than just the ability to vote, right? There are basic rights that come with citizenship, such as the right to live within a country. Your actions would basically strip American children of the right to not be deported. Starship Trooper is not a good book to base your political opinions on.
by Salus Maior » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:28 pm
Genivaria wrote:Not sure why children would have a different means, they become citizens when they finish their service like everyone else when they're older.
by Genivaria » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:30 pm
Torrocca wrote:Genivaria wrote:I have no idea what you're trying to say anymore.
Stop trying to use sarcasm and try using complete sentences.
Jesus Christ, it's not that hard to grasp.
You just fucking said that children, right now, don't have citizenship in America, to defend the fact that children wouldn't have citizenship under your idea of a state, which is a blatant lie thanks to Jus Soli.
by Torrocca » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:35 pm
Genivaria wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Jesus Christ, it's not that hard to grasp.
You just fucking said that children, right now, don't have citizenship in America, to defend the fact that children wouldn't have citizenship under your idea of a state, which is a blatant lie thanks to Jus Soli.
No I didn't.
I mean that children right now are considered to not be adults WITH RIGHTS until they're, you know...ADULTS.
That's why I mentioned that I was using 'adult' and ''citizen' synonymously due to the inclusion of service but clearly you couldn't be asses to read that part.
by Cekoviu » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:53 pm
Genivaria wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Jesus Christ, it's not that hard to grasp.
You just fucking said that children, right now, don't have citizenship in America, to defend the fact that children wouldn't have citizenship under your idea of a state, which is a blatant lie thanks to Jus Soli.
No I didn't.
I mean that children right now are considered to not be adults WITH RIGHTS until they're, you know...ADULTS.
That's why I mentioned that I was using 'adult' and ''citizen' synonymously due to the inclusion of service but clearly you couldn't be asses to read that part.
by Genivaria » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:54 pm
Torrocca wrote:Genivaria wrote:No I didn't.
I mean that children right now are considered to not be adults WITH RIGHTS until they're, you know...ADULTS.
That's why I mentioned that I was using 'adult' and ''citizen' synonymously due to the inclusion of service but clearly you couldn't be asses to read that part.
So basically you're talking about an extremely arbitrary and utterly bullshit idea of what citizenship is, according to you, and then getting mad when people are missing your crackpot idea of what citizenship is. Gotcha.
News flash, by the by: children in America enjoy practically all the same rights - give or take a couple of things like the ownership of weapons - afforded by the Constitution as adults do, so you're also wrong in that regard.
by Torrocca » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:57 pm
Genivaria wrote:Torrocca wrote:
So basically you're talking about an extremely arbitrary and utterly bullshit idea of what citizenship is, according to you, and then getting mad when people are missing your crackpot idea of what citizenship is. Gotcha.
News flash, by the by: children in America enjoy practically all the same rights - give or take a couple of things like the ownership of weapons - afforded by the Constitution as adults do, so you're also wrong in that regard.
It's quite clear at this point that you understand anything actually.
by Torrocca » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:05 pm
Genivaria wrote:So Torrocca can you address my original point about conscription before you went off on a tangent?
by Torrocca » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:18 pm
by Torrocca » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:37 pm
Genivaria wrote:Torrocca wrote:
So basically you're talking about an extremely arbitrary and utterly bullshit idea of what citizenship is, according to you, and then getting mad when people are missing your crackpot idea of what citizenship is. Gotcha.
News flash, by the by: children in America enjoy practically all the same rights - give or take a couple of things like the ownership of weapons - afforded by the Constitution as adults do, so you're also wrong in that regard.
It's quite clear at this point that you understand anything actually.
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