So you would allow this, correct?
Also, you could quit being a condescending dick.
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by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:27 pm
by Kubra » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:27 pm
Well y'know why not liveTorrocca wrote:Kowani wrote:Cough. The idea is that life is about living. The rest is window dressing. The answer to existentialism is absurdism, not ignorance.
And what the fuck's the meaning behind living? Why is your idea of what living is meant to be supposed to be the only valid interpretation? Why can't or why shouldn't people find faith or belief in something that exists beyond any scientific or material knowledge that gives us a greater purpose? Inquiring into such possibilities regarding our existence rather than outright dismissing them - as you do - isn't ignorance, it's a pursuit of knowledge.
by Grand Proudhonia » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:28 pm
by Nakena » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:29 pm
Grand Proudhonia wrote:I have been arguing a lot on the forums and it really makes me want to write down all my thoughts on the theory I believe in... Mostly influenced by Makhno and Proudhon
so im probably going to do that when I get the time, will share with yall when its done
Its likely to be not the most well written or elegant and yall are definitely smart enough to pick my ideas apart like vultures but oh well... im inspired right now
by Kowani » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:29 pm
I mean, for someone who’s already religious, I would not come down and force them to recant. But to pass it on? Nah.
Also, you could quit being a condescending dick.
by Torrocca » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:29 pm
That’s odd. I never claimed it was.Why is your idea of what living is meant to be supposed to be the only valid interpretation?
When you find proof, let me know. I’ll be waiting. Religion has had thousands of years to prove its claims, and it still can’t do better than “wait until you die.”Why can't or why shouldn't people find faith or belief in something that exists beyond any scientific or material knowledge that gives us a greater purpose?Inquiring into such possibilities regarding our existence rather than outright dismissing them - as you do - isn't ignorance, it's a pursuit of knowledge.
Oh, no. You see, if it was actually in the pursuit of knowledge, it would be provable. With, you know. Evidence. As the majority of the religious people on this board will be happy to inform you, it is a matter of faith, not evidence.
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:30 pm
by Torrocca » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:31 pm
Kubra wrote:Well y'know why not liveTorrocca wrote:
And what the fuck's the meaning behind living? Why is your idea of what living is meant to be supposed to be the only valid interpretation? Why can't or why shouldn't people find faith or belief in something that exists beyond any scientific or material knowledge that gives us a greater purpose? Inquiring into such possibilities regarding our existence rather than outright dismissing them - as you do - isn't ignorance, it's a pursuit of knowledge.
we're living anyways
by Nakena » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:33 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Kowani wrote: I mean, for someone who’s already religious, I would not come down and force them to recant. But to pass it on? Nah.
I could. But am I going to? Nah.
Then you're going on the ignore list. I have better things to do than continue talking to petulant teenagers whose entire political beliefs boil down to angst and grandiose delusions.
by Kowani » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:38 pm
To respond the same way I did to UMM: I would not have to police come down to a Christian’s house and force them to recant. That’s impractical. But passing their beliefs on? Nah.
Well, congratulations on missing the point of banning religion.That’s odd. I never claimed it was.
Seemed pretty heavily implied by your earlier claims of wanting to abolish religion, but, as noted above, you've made it clear that that's not what you want to do.
When you find proof, let me know. I’ll be waiting. Religion has had thousands of years to prove its claims, and it still can’t do better than “wait until you die.”
Oh, no. You see, if it was actually in the pursuit of knowledge, it would be provable. With, you know. Evidence. As the majority of the religious people on this board will be happy to inform you, it is a matter of faith, not evidence.
I guess that people hunting the cure for something like prion disease isn't a matter of pursuing knowledge, since they haven't yet discovered evidence for how to cure such a disease. /s
Not all evidence is in-your-face or easy to find. You do know this, right?
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Kowani wrote: I mean, for someone who’s already religious, I would not come down and force them to recant. But to pass it on? Nah.
I could. But am I going to? Nah.
Then you're going on the ignore list. I have better things to do than continue talking to petulant teenagers whose entire political beliefs boil down to angst and grandiose delusions.
by Kubra » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:38 pm
Aw lifes what you make of itTorrocca wrote:Kubra wrote: Well y'know why not live
we're living anyways
I mean, living for the sake of living's good and all, but that sounds (and feels, at least from personal experience) pretty dull and boring compared to living for a purpose beyond the self, whether that purpose is derived from worldly conditions or from otherworldly faith.
by Jack Thomas Lang » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:45 pm
by Kowani » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:46 pm
I try.
by Torrocca » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:48 pm
Kowani wrote:To respond the same way I did to UMM: I would not have to police come down to a Christian’s house and force them to recant. That’s impractical. But passing their beliefs on? Nah.Torrocca wrote:
So then you don't actually want to abolish religion.Well, congratulations on missing the point of banning religion.
Seemed pretty heavily implied by your earlier claims of wanting to abolish religion, but, as noted above, you've made it clear that that's not what you want to do.
I guess that people hunting the cure for something like prion disease isn't a matter of pursuing knowledge, since they haven't yet discovered evidence for how to cure such a disease. /s
Not all evidence is in-your-face or easy to find. You do know this, right?
See, here’s the key difference. Religion has had as one of its core claims being exempt from the material world, and not having any evidence by design. Diseases don’t work that way. You’re comparing apples and chocolate.
by Grand Proudhonia » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:49 pm
by Kubra » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:51 pm
It's hard to talk nomenklatura in reference to YeltsinJack Thomas Lang wrote:Why you've spent pages on discussing Kowani's hate boner beats me.
Here's an interesting question. Can communists and ultranationalists work together to overthrow the system or defend a certain order of things? I've been studying the '93 constitutional crisis in Russia, in which Yeltsin was opposed by Soviet-era nomenklatura as well as communist and nationalist groups. Would you work with the far-right?
by Torrocca » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:52 pm
Grand Proudhonia wrote:Religion will naturally collapse soon enough tbh
by Grand Proudhonia » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:53 pm
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Why you've spent pages on discussing Kowani's hate boner beats me.
Here's an interesting question. Can communists and ultranationalists work together to overthrow the system or defend a certain order of things? I've been studying the '93 constitutional crisis in Russia, in which Yeltsin was opposed by Soviet-era nomenklatura as well as communist and nationalist groups. Would you work with the far-right?
by Kowani » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:53 pm
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Why you've spent pages on discussing Kowani's hate boner beats me.
Here's an interesting question. Can communists and ultranationalists work together to overthrow the system or defend a certain order of things? I've been studying the '93 constitutional crisis in Russia, in which Yeltsin was opposed by Soviet-era nomenklatura as well as communist and nationalist groups.
Okay, let’s give an example. We shall say Bob is a Christian. He has kids. Those kids will be educated in state schools. Bob may attempt to pass down his religion to his children. But if he is discovered doing so, well, that’s a different story.Torrocca wrote:Kowani wrote: To respond the same way I did to UMM: I would not have to police come down to a Christian’s house and force them to recant. That’s impractical. But passing their beliefs on? Nah.
Well, congratulations on missing the point of banning religion.
I don't see how your plans on banning religion are gonna find any effect whatsoever if they basically boil down to, "religion's canceled but you can still be religious lol".
See, here’s the key difference. Religion has had as one of its core claims being exempt from the material world, and not having any evidence by design. Diseases don’t work that way. You’re comparing apples and chocolate.
Except that most religions don't see their objects of worship as actually separate from the material world, beyond being divine things.
by Grand Proudhonia » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:54 pm
Torrocca wrote:Grand Proudhonia wrote:Religion will naturally collapse soon enough tbh
Eh, doubtful. If it does? Alrighty then, I guess that opens up a path for irreligious Socialism and the like to take hold.
If it doesn't, though? Better to reconcile matters of faith with leftist ideology than to seek its destruction and create unnecessary hostilities in a time when comrades are desperately needed.
by Jack Thomas Lang » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:55 pm
Kowani wrote:Okay, let’s give an example. We shall say Bob is a Christian. He has kids. Those kids will be educated in state schools. Bob may attempt to pass down his religion to his children. But if he is discovered doing so, well, that’s a different story.
by Kowani » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:58 pm
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Kowani wrote:Okay, let’s give an example. We shall say Bob is a Christian. He has kids. Those kids will be educated in state schools. Bob may attempt to pass down his religion to his children. But if he is discovered doing so, well, that’s a different story.
That's basically what the Soviet Union and Albania did, along with other repressive policies. It didn't work.
by Kubra » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:59 pm
by Jack Thomas Lang » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:59 pm
Kowani wrote:Because, as I said earlier, they failed to abolish the material circumstances that allow religion to grow. A state following my principles would be concerned first with said conditions, then being what they are) before tackling the other side.
by North German Realm » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:01 pm
Grand Proudhonia wrote:Religion will naturally collapse soon enough tbh
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