LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Soviet Tankistan]

Oh, you thought this would be done all at once? No fucking wonder. Expansion requires assimilation first.


…No, I just want to abolish religion.

How would you abolish religion?

Social engineering.

[United Muscovite Nations]

How would you abolish religion?

Social reengineering.

Elaborate.

[Kowani]

To assert that an idea is useless because it is not able to be immediately implemented is nonsense at best, and bad logic at worst.

To believe that exclaiming social engineering will accomplish a goal that does not need attention within a period of time on which humanity will not care about the goal may be wrong, but to believe that it is more desirable to pursue this than useful is unwise.

What?

Oh, you thought this would be done all at once? No fucking wonder. Expansion requires assimilation first.


…No, I just want to abolish religion.

How would you abolish religion?

I could’ve sworn we’d been over this…

[Cekoviu]

Social reengineering.

Elaborate.

Using Hooke's Law, demonstrating to the population that religion is unnecessary.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Elaborate.

Using Hooke's Law, demonstrating to the population that religion is unnecessary.

Unnecessary for what?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Getting rid of religion is impossible, without a concentrated genocide of all religious people or mind control. Even Albania, the most extreme Atheist state, was not able to stamp out faith.

[Soviet Tankistan]

Social reengineering.

Elaborate.

I think myself very clever for passing him in regards to the speed at which he posts social engineering, I must now match the frequency. When that is done, we will have our world state completed by my own hand in no less than 5000 years.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Elaborate.

I think myself very clever for paasing him in regards to the speed at which he posts social engineering, I must now match the frequency. When that is done, we will have our world state completed by ny own hand in no less than 5000 years.

I think you're a tad delusional.

[Kowani]

Getting rid of religion is impossible, without a concentrated genocide of all religious people or mind control. Even Albania, the most extreme Atheist state, was not able to stamp out faith.

Well, Albania failed to remove the material conditions that generate religion. You start there.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Getting rid of religion is impossible, without a concentrated genocide of all religious people or mind control. Even Albania, the most extreme Atheist state, was not able to stamp out faith.

Well, Albania failed to remove the material conditions that generate religion. You start there.

What material conditions generate religion?

[Cekoviu]

Using Hooke's Law, demonstrating to the population that religion is unnecessary.

Unnecessary for what?

Diode construction

[Kowani]

Well, Albania failed to remove the material conditions that generate religion. You start there.

What material conditions generate religion?

The big three are poverty, lack of education, and cultural insularity.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Unnecessary for what?

Diode construction

I take it you're being silly?

[United Muscovite Nations]

What material conditions generate religion?

The big three are poverty, lack of education, and cultural insularity.

Correlation is not causation, some of the wealthiest and best educated countries have the highest rates of religious following.

[First American Empire]

Do they involve sending tanks through the Channel Tunnel to stop Brexit? If so, I'm 100% on board.

EDIT: NEVER MIND, I just remembered the UK has nuclear deterrent.

Less that and more letting the British crash their economy to show why it’s a terrible idea.

That'll also work well. It's not as immediate as I'd like, but it'll have the UK begging to be let back in the EU in only a few years. (Assuming that the UK has actually worked out how to leave by then.)

[United Muscovite Nations]

The big three are poverty, lack of education, and cultural insularity.

Correlation is not causation, some of the wealthiest and best educated countries have the highest rates of religious following.

Moreover, in the past, it was the wealthiest and best educated who were the most religious.

[Cekoviu]

Diode construction

I take it you're being silly?

Just placing the emphasis on the engineering part rather than the social part. More fun that way.
Also, I'm upset that nobody caught the fact that Hooke's Law is about springs and has nothing to do with diodes.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I take it you're being silly?

Just placing the emphasis on the engineering part rather than the social part. More fun that way.
Also, I'm upset that nobody caught the fact that Hooke's Law is about springs and has nothing to do with diodes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6l8MFdTaPE

[Torrocca]

... I'm pretty certain there's no feasible way of getting rid of religion. Even if you somehow abolished the biggest religions, people would still seek out some form of faith, meaning, and purpose in life or another that goes beyond material conditions; whether that came from new ideas of religious or spiritual beliefs or came from ones already existing would be irrelevant, people are still going to seek out answers to questions that go far beyond whatever we experience materially, even under Socialism or Communism.

[Kowani]

The big three are poverty, lack of education, and cultural insularity.

Correlation is not causation, some of the wealthiest and best educated countries have the highest rates of religious following.

However, as all three of these things decrease, so has religion. It’s a pretty clear trend.

Also, cite that claim.

Less that and more letting the British crash their economy to show why it’s a terrible idea.

That'll also work well. It's not as immediate as I'd like, but it'll have the UK begging to be let back in the EU in only a few years. (Assuming that the UK has actually worked out how to leave by then.)

Beyond that, it ensures that people won’t try it again. Everything with the end goal of limiting the desire to rebel, rather than outright crushing rebellion.

Correlation is not causation, some of the wealthiest and best educated countries have the highest rates of religious following.

Moreover, in the past, it was the wealthiest and best educated who were the most religious.

It’s not like there were a crapton of other factors.

[United Muscovite Nations]

... I'm pretty certain there's no feasible way of getting rid of religion. Even if you somehow abolished the biggest religions, people would still seek out some form of faith, meaning, and purpose in life or another that goes beyond material conditions; whether that came from new ideas of religious or spiritual beliefs or came from ones already existing would be irrelevant, people are still going to seek out answers to questions that go far beyond whatever we experience materially, even under Socialism or Communism.

This, pretty much. What the materialists have failed to grasp is that large sections of the population cannot be satisfied with mere material well-being.

[Kowani]

... I'm pretty certain there's no feasible way of getting rid of religion. Even if you somehow abolished the biggest religions, people would still seek out some form of faith, meaning, and purpose in life or another that goes beyond material conditions; whether that came from new ideas of religious or spiritual beliefs or came from ones already existing would be irrelevant, people are still going to seek out answers to questions that go far beyond whatever we experience materially, even under Socialism or Communism.

There’s this thing called education. It’s very good at removing said desires by providing answers.

[First American Empire]

What material conditions generate religion?

The big three are poverty, lack of education, and cultural insularity.

I come from an upper-middle-class family, have a college education, and am not culturally insular. I still believe in a religion. Some people will be religious regardless of any circumstances. Some will be atheists regardless of any circumstances. And those are both fine. The only major problems happen when a single religion gets much bigger than all the others and starts persecuting smaller religions.

*Atheism is technically a religion by some standards, but that's not the point.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Correlation is not causation, some of the wealthiest and best educated countries have the highest rates of religious following.

However, as all three of these things decrease, so has religion. It’s a pretty clear trend.

1) Also, cite that claim.

That'll also work well. It's not as immediate as I'd like, but it'll have the UK begging to be let back in the EU in only a few years. (Assuming that the UK has actually worked out how to leave by then.)

Beyond that, it ensures that people won’t try it again. Everything with the end goal of limiting the desire to rebel, rather than outright crushing rebellion.

Moreover, in the past, it was the wealthiest and best educated who were the most religious.

2) It’s not like there were a crapton of other factors.

1) About half the wealthiest countries in the world are fundamentalist Islamic countries, and some of the best educated countries in the world are countries like Lithuania, Poland, Greece, and Cyprus, where higher education and religiosity is very common.

2) Nevertheless, many of the most educated people in history were very religious. Arguably, religious people created modern education.

[Torrocca]

... I'm pretty certain there's no feasible way of getting rid of religion. Even if you somehow abolished the biggest religions, people would still seek out some form of faith, meaning, and purpose in life or another that goes beyond material conditions; whether that came from new ideas of religious or spiritual beliefs or came from ones already existing would be irrelevant, people are still going to seek out answers to questions that go far beyond whatever we experience materially, even under Socialism or Communism.

There’s this thing called education. It’s very good at removing said desires by providing answers.

And what sort of education answers the questions of existence? Of life's ultimate purpose? Of why we're here? Of the possibility of an afterlife?

Science doesn't have all the answers, and certainly few, if any at all that satisfy the big questions of existentialism. People are never going to be satisfied with the idea that life is simply about living, producing offspring, and then dying. Unless you changed the fundamental values of human nature so drastically that the end result couldn't be called human, you're never going to eradicate these ideas that are so prevalent across the entirety of humanity.