LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Nakena]

My political views are way too unorthodox and bizarre to be even remotely properly assessed by most of those tests.

[Kowani]

Both of these things are true.

I’m pretty happy with my results. You’re right though, it says pretty much nothing about libertarian/authoritarianism or federalism or democracy/autocracy or any of the things I really care about.

I think that’s covered in the Centralism/Decentralization bar.

[Pacomia]

I’m pretty happy with my results. You’re right though, it says pretty much nothing about libertarian/authoritarianism or federalism or democracy/autocracy or any of the things I really care about.

I think that’s covered in the Centralism/Decentralization bar.

Sort of, but not in the right way.

The site describes the difference as:
“Those with a higher central score tend to support an economic structure based around centralized national planning. Those with a higher decentral score tend to support an economic structure based around decentralized planning, usually on a more localized scale.”

So really it’s about who manages money and how it’s managed. Maybe that says something about federalism, but not the other two things.

[Kowani]

My political views are way too unorthodox and bizarre to be even remotely properly assessed by most of those tests.

3rd positionism test?

I think that’s covered in the Centralism/Decentralization bar.

Sort of, but not in the right way.

Fair point.

[United Muscovite Nations]

[Nakena]

My political views are way too unorthodox and bizarre to be even remotely properly assessed by most of those tests.

3rd positionism test?

There used to be one that was kinda right-wingish but it has been taken down long time ago.

[Kowani]

3rd positionism test?

There used to be one that was kinda right-wingish but it has been taken down long time ago.

Hmm. Well, we understand you regardless of what tests you do or do not take.

[Pacomia]

There used to be one that was kinda right-wingish but it has been taken down long time ago.

Hmm. Well, we understand you regardless of what tests you do or do not take.

I have an unhealthy addiction with these tests. I need more.

[Torrocca]

Hmm. Well, we understand you regardless of what tests you do or do not take.

I have an unhealthy addiction with these tests. I need more.

Somebody should compile a list of all these tests so these addictions can be fed

[Pacomia]

I have an unhealthy addiction with these tests. I need more.

Somebody should compile a list of all these tests so these addictions can be fed

Oh, I’ve searched for one.

[Kowani]

I have an unhealthy addiction with these tests. I need more.

Somebody should compile a list of all these tests so these addictions can be fed

Don’t enable him.

[Pacomia]

Somebody should compile a list of all these tests so these addictions can be fed

Don’t enable him.

Too late.

[Kowani]

Don’t enable him.

Too late.

Crap.

[Soviet Tankistan]

https://leftvalues.github.io/results.ht ... 5.4&f=69.1
I may have answered too fast, but these results are accurate in most cases.

[First American Empire]

Eh. I'd say the only place in America with anything resembling culture is New England and New York. The west, other than a few key cities, has nearly nothing to offer (and one of those cities I doubt most people would see as culture, even if I do)

I don't really understand all the America hate tbh.

That's because you don't live here.

[Torrocca]

Somebody should compile a list of all these tests so these addictions can be fed

Don’t enable him.

Hey, now! I'm enabling myself, too. >:c

[Kowani]

Don’t enable him.

Hey, now! I'm enabling myself, too. >:c

Don’t do that either.

[Threlizdun]

https://leftvalues.github.io/results.ht ... 1.3&f=25.0

It gave me council communist. Not how I personally tend to self-identify, but definitely close to my views.

[Soviet Tankistan]

https://leftvalues.github.io/results.html?a=83.3&b=67.3&c=6.3&d=68.2&e=31.3&f=25.0

It gave me council communist. Not how I personally tend to self-identify, but definitely close to my views.

That contrasts deeply with my results. I tend not to identify as Marxist-Leninist for reasons, with the term only serving as an inconsistent comparison in relation to my ideology.

[Pacomia]

https://leftvalues.github.io/results.html?a=83.3&b=67.3&c=6.3&d=68.2&e=31.3&f=25.0

It gave me council communist. Not how I personally tend to self-identify, but definitely close to my views.

That contrasts deeply with my results. I tend not to identify as Marxist-Leninist for reasons, with the term only serving as an inconsistent comparison in relation to my ideology.

I identify as a democratic socialist, so...

[Threlizdun]

https://leftvalues.github.io/results.html?a=83.3&b=67.3&c=6.3&d=68.2&e=31.3&f=25.0

It gave me council communist. Not how I personally tend to self-identify, but definitely close to my views.

That contrasts deeply with my results. I tend not to identify as Marxist-Leninist for reasons, with the term only serving as an inconsistent comparison in relation to my ideology.

I generally ascribe to communalism and green syndicalism as the closest approximations of my ideology, but I tend to avoid clinging to steadfastly to any ideology at this point. I've traveled the anarchist and Marxist traditions before, and find useful teachings as well as failures to avoid from both of them. I feel the left could benefit considerably from adopting a more pluralistic or syncretic stance to their political doctrines, as well as abandoning the naive belief that the means to liberation will identical across widely disparate societies.

[Proctopeo]

Trying to answer the LeftValues test as a right-libertarian was a mistake

Though the dichotomy between "scientific" and "utopian" makes little sense. Sure, Marxist thought is often described as "scientific", but it's still definitely utopian. So, really, it's "scientific utopianism" vs "emotional utopianism", not "science" vs "utopia".

[Cekoviu]

Trying to answer the LeftValues test as a right-libertarian was a mistake

Though the dichotomy between "scientific" and "utopian" makes little sense. Sure, Marxist thought is often described as "scientific", but it's still definitely utopian. So, really, it's "scientific utopianism" vs "emotional utopianism", not "science" vs "utopia".

Lol, you're a utopian socialist.

[Soviet Tankistan]

That contrasts deeply with my results. I tend not to identify as Marxist-Leninist for reasons, with the term only serving as an inconsistent comparison in relation to my ideology.

I identify as a democratic socialist, so...

I support illiberal democracy and statism, which has 8values place me as a a democratic socialist leaning towards state socialism. I do not support democratic socialism in the typically suggested forms. I believe a multiparty system of parties with some ideas in common would benefit prevention of many factions and divisions in the party and a federal system should be implemented.

Speaking of federal systems, how does the Left-Wing Discussion thread believe international politics and federalism should relate? I believe that many multinational republics should exist with amiable relations rather than inernational councils governing on the principle of nation and state equivalence such as the UN or EU.

[First American Empire]

So, uh, I went and retook the politiscales test since everyone else was, too, and the results are a bit interesting to say the least.

I'm thoroughly spooked by the 5% Nationalism and 5% Laissez-Faire bits, and even more spooked by the relatively low ecology score.

EDIT: Also went ahead and redid 8values and the full 9axes quiz (some of those fucking questions are way too open to interpretation on that one), as well as the dichotomy test on philosophy. I'm actually fairly intrigued by these results, in all honesty.

Because I'm an absolute nerd, I also went ahead and did the LeftValues test that I just learned exists, well after the actual discussion on these tests died off. Eco-Anarchism's a pretty valid description of my beliefs, ngl.

This is interesting. I'm a SocDem, but I'm just far enough to the left for this quiz to be relevant to me. Here's my score: https://leftvalues.github.io/results.ht ... 5.4&f=47.1

Reform/Revolution: In terms of politics, I'm okay with either reform or revolution. The left needs to use any means necessary to win, and that includes winning elections. In economics, I would much prefer to reform capitalism to make it actually functional. If that isn't an option, getting rid of capitalism altogether would be less harmful than allowing it to wreck everything in its death throes.

This should really be two separate axes, one for revolutionary and reformist means, and one for how radical the end goal is. I'd be a moderate on the first scale and a reformist on the second, but the test as it is combines them and makes it confusing. As it was, I got 72.9% Reformist.

Scientific/Utopian: I got 75% Scientific. I agree with a lot of Dialectical Materialist thought, even if I don't agree with some of its conclusions.

Central/Decentral: I hate monopolies, whether state controlled or privately owned. Getting a high Decentral score was obviously going to happen. I got 81.2%.

International/National: 97.7% International. I'm more internationalist than basically anyone on the forum, so it's no surprise that I got a score higher than Torra's.

Party/Union: I got a Party score of 85.4%, which surprised me more than anything else on this test. I think both parties and unions are very important, though parties are better at large-scale change.

Industry/Ecology: I got 52.9% Ecology, though none of these tests measure my environmental views well. They all forget that flooding the world's coastlines will be bad for global industry and living standards. There is no conflict between environmentalism and high living standards because environmentalism guarantees the highest living standards.